SMRT: SMRTB is a liability, no future
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Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:
I don't know why LTA buy 3 car trains for CCL.
The reason why CCL has only 3 cars is due to the length of the station. Due to limited land space, shorter stations are needed...
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Originally posted by SBS7322B:
The reason why CCL has only 3 cars is due to the length of the station. Due to limited land space, shorter stations are needed...
Might as well dun need to build the line even better rite?Is there a real need for it in the 1st place? -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
Might as well dun need to build the line even better rite?Is there a real need for it in the 1st place?First of all, let me make myself clear that I'm not siding with any transport operator or siding with either modes of transport.
The main reason for the CCL as reported is to link commuters without passing through the city. For example, next time, we can easily take CCL to Paya Lebar from Bishan without taking the NSL transfer to EWL.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
improvement is not simply buying OC and Citaro. That's just face looks.
I still see ppl fuming w/ overloaded Sv 966 during PM peak. but wat's e freq? 15 mins? somemore running time given from CJC to Bt Panjang Rd/ Blk 270 is only given 15 mins, even at 70kph needs 18 mins. Yet for RWS8, short journey can be given 34 mins to travel. Tat day e bus I was onboard travelled at 30kph at e bridge en-route Vivo. Maybe because more profitable so put in heart and soul on it. isn't it double standard? our own ppl can't even be given reasonable sv on basic svs.
It's always all these small details tat makes whether is do or break.
Disgruntled passenger who frequent SMRT services?
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Originally posted by SBS7322B:
First of all, let me make myself clear that I'm not siding with any transport operator or siding with either modes of transport.
The main reason for the CCL as reported is to link commuters without passing through the city. For example, next time, we can easily take CCL to Paya Lebar from Bishan without taking the NSL transfer to EWL.
Escaping from the town crush is a good idea at times...
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Whenever this kind of topic created sure never ending one.Ok since SMRT is totally hopeless or no standard for your eyes why dont we give it a rest.You'll condemm or praise still Gahmen is earning big time out there.No point arguing so much about this issue.As for me i dun really hope much for either side.The end.
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it's not abt condemning or watever
in e first place, basics can't be met and now there's double standard. Esp when things starts to have double standard, we're doomed. Dun say abt SMRT's sv, say if one fine day at shopping mall buying shoes, end up e merchandiser can be more kawan w/ e Westerns or tourist than serving you, wun you feel weird or sort?
Anyway in e first place, CEO & CFO has made e comment abt purchasing at a too high price for Tibs which is not helping their bottomline.
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Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:
I don't know why LTA buy 3 car trains for CCL. Merge SMRTB and SBST together , become SBST.
Merging SBST and SMB wont happen. Alot of conflict to resolve and the government doesnt want a monopoly.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
Merging SBST and SMB wont happen. Alot of conflict to resolve and the government doesnt want a monopoly.
Competition in singapore is controlled and almost never for what it is intended to be.
In singapore, competition leads to lower quality and higher prices.
Like the recent Singtel and Starhub hoo ha, it gives the illusion that 2 or 3 companies are competing to offer better products at lower prices when in fact they are not.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it's not abt condemning or watever
in e first place, basics can't be met and now there's double standard. Esp when things starts to have double standard, we're doomed. Dun say abt SMRT's sv, say if one fine day at shopping mall buying shoes, end up e merchandiser can be more kawan w/ e Westerns or tourist than serving you, wun you feel weird or sort?
Anyway in e first place, CEO & CFO has made e comment abt purchasing at a too high price for Tibs which is not helping their bottomline.
Like what i've emphasized before,Give it a rest.We just wait and see how long they can go like this.Thats show that the woman doesnt have any experience in transport sector at all.I understand your feeling and yes i too was so dissapointed they deploy the OCs for the RWS service which i think should let the private operators the chance.If i'm the CFO or CEO,First thing shift Kranji to a new depot ie at CCK or Bt Batok Ind estate and AMK to a new 3 storey depot and buy more buses for fleet addition and new service for Sembawang area.
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From the posts I see in the previous pages, what I want to say is that this society has forgotten most of its roots and fundamentals, everything now is just about profits and money. Why blame the citizens for being too materialistic when the country's upper management is the one who lead such a trend in the first place???
Our transport authorities has already forgotten the roots and the basics of a flexible and efficent public transport system, which we started off with the bus system. A bus system can be more efficent and profitable to start with and maintain and more flexible to keep track and changes with the commuters travel patterns, than an inflexible and expensive rail system. However in Singapore, the transport authorities would rather purposely make bus systems less attractive by ignoring and delaying whatever possible improvements can be done on the system. Look at Hong Kong, despite a small but highly populated city like Singapore, bus system standards are way on first class standards. Despite plans making Singapore public transport system world class in 1996 in the White Paper, after 14 years of "big talk and promises", many still disregards it as a highly efficient first class world class system.
Another point to note, ever since the MRT line is being opened in the late 1980s, fare increases has been occuring every year, till now. And ironically, despite building facilities and private housing around the train station premises which causes land prices and property prices to increase, fares still increase every year. Either rails are really too expensive to build, maintain and recoup losses in Singapore or else this means that the citizens are being overcharged in fare increases or overtaxed in acquring properties near these areas, be it residential or commercial, through the "money generating" tool called the MRT station.
Lastly to share, if Singapore can stop all these senseless population increase from now onwards, and focus more in nation building and society well being with only the 5 million population in Singapore in the next few decades, we will not need to build so many expensive MRT lines, and the funds can be channelled to other more meaningful areas like education, health care, and even solving our own water issues without Malaysia help. No wonder more Singaporeans are migrating and more and more Singaporeans are thinking of migrating.
So just work hard and earn more money in future to fund your own transport. A rigid, inflexible system that practise double standards and unwillingly to improve based on feedbacks and only place more and more emphasis on money rather than the human factor is doomed to be ruined. Rely on yourself instead, rather than to rely and suffer under silence with an inflexible system that doesn't want to listen and improve. Take MRT everyday and get squeezed in a sardine can travelling in a dark and noisy tunnel??? I rather drive my own car, take a bus/cab.
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I tend to agree with you.So many MRT lines for what?Country so small,Dig here and there just for the stupid underground rail lines.Thats why during my of days especially on weekdays i will take the chance to board buses rather than trains.I only drive my car to JB or long route.Only my wife drive in SG.Not to mention the upcoming PRs & new Citizens which make uo the 5 million mark who willingly compete with us for housing,Transportation and might be even cars!
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I tend to agree with you.So many MRT lines for what?Country so small,Dig here and there just for the stupid underground rail lines.Thats why during my of days especially on weekdays i will take the chance to board buses rather than trains.I only drive my car to JB or long route.Only my wife drive in SG.Not to mention the upcoming PRs & new Citizens which make uo the 5 million mark who willingly compete with us for housing,Transportation and might be even cars!
It's a good thing that you migrated to Malaysia, even though it might be a tough decision to start with.With the senseless increase in population over these few years, Singaporeans are getting very unhappy with the fast changing and yet slow destruction of our strong local identity built over the past 40 years. Now we are also tarnishing our image of polite and friendly citizens being receptive to foreigners, built over the 70s to 90s, just because of this fast, abrupt and unacceptable change through the past decade. But I'll like to advise everyone in this forum, instead of blaming all these foreigners, like the PRCs, Bangalas, Westerners, etc with their "orthodox" behaviours, midsets, actions that cause much unhappiness in our society in the recent years, why not blame it on the ones who open the doors so widely and openly to them in the first place???
Afterall, these people are only trying to find a better place to live and thrive wherever possible. Thing is, is Singapore big enough like the USA or China to stomach such influx in the long run???
That's why I still feel Singapore is at its best in the 70s and 80s, strong thriving nation and a united and committed population geared to build a strong and prosperous Singapore. Now??? Sigh... And through this episode, we can see that Singapore is losing its roots and fundamentals. Even a bus hobby can tell a story of a nation progress, interesting.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
It's a good thing that you migrated to Malaysia, even though it might be a tough decision to start with.With the senseless increase in population over these few years, Singaporeans are getting very unhappy with the fast changing and yet slow destruction of our strong local identity built over the past 40 years. Now we are also tarnishing our image of polite and friendly citizens being receptive to foreigners, built over the 70s to 90s, just because of this fast, abrupt and unacceptable change through the past decade. But I'll like to advise everyone in this forum, instead of blaming all these foreigners, like the PRCs, Bangalas, Westerners, etc with their "orthodox" behaviours, midsets, actions that cause much unhappiness in our society in the recent years, why not blame it on the ones who open the doors so widely and openly to them in the first place???
Afterall, these people are only trying to find a better place to live and thrive wherever possible. Thing is, is Singapore big enough like the USA or China to stomach such influx in the long run???
That's why I still feel Singapore is at its best in the 70s and 80s, strong thriving nation and a united and committed population geared to build a strong and prosperous Singapore. Now??? Sigh... And through this episode, we can see that Singapore is losing its roots and fundamentals. Even a bus hobby can tell a story of a nation progress, interesting.
It's simply e younger gen planners think we can start to be complacent, telling ppl be happy w/ now and happily making profits out of it by counting wat they gain (loss they wun bother). Tat's why no matter how it goes, there's some need for FTs as the come in w/ hunger to have a better life.Even e mini star can mention ERP can help ppl to own cars. As if we can have 3m cars on e road. Now e same mini star dare to say we've lost focus on public tpt, tat's why public tpt usage rate has dropped.
As for living in M'sia, we can live there w/ our wages level, you think Malaysians not working in S'pore can tahan living in their own country?
It's dreaming if you believe M'sian can stomach RM120,000 for 1 bunglow w/ their wages level or RM2 per lit for petrol either.
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All I know is that a lot of buses have TV Mobile screens which show nothing.
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Originally posted by SBS7322B:
First of all, let me make myself clear that I'm not siding with any transport operator or siding with either modes of transport.
The main reason for the CCL as reported is to link commuters without passing through the city. For example, next time, we can easily take CCL to Paya Lebar from Bishan without taking the NSL transfer to EWL.
Yea i know. -
Originally posted by TIB930Z:
It is quite obvious that u condemning SMRTB. Till this day , don't you see an improvement ? SMRTB standard may not be better than SBST , but look at their MRT Lines . EW Line + NS Line + Circle Line vs NE Line ..SMRT earn big bucks , with the strong foundation of high demand for it's train . SMRT's 190 is earning alot of money , every 2 -5 mins , at least a 190 will come ! i doubt SBST beat the fast frequency . Both companies have their good and bad .
Tis one i definitely have to agree.Even though i have to admit tat some other SMRT svcs frequency r crap,190's is simply fantastic.Everytime i wait for a bus along 190's route,i will everytime ony see 190 quickly arriving again and again.So many buses for 190.Simply great man the service!Other bus all go,all take so long for the next bus to come. -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
Tis one i definitely have to agree.Even though i have to admit tat some other SMRT svcs frequency r crap,190's is simply fantastic.Everytime i wait for a bus along 190's route,i will everytime ony see 190 quickly arriving again and again.So many buses for 190.Simply great man the service!Other bus all go,all take so long for the next bus to come.
but the thing i hate is it is very crowded. -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
Tis one i definitely have to agree.Even though i have to admit tat some other SMRT svcs frequency r crap,190's is simply fantastic.Everytime i wait for a bus along 190's route,i will everytime ony see 190 quickly arriving again and again.So many buses for 190.Simply great man the service!Other bus all go,all take so long for the next bus to come.
187 also, especially during Saturdays, keep the average frequency in 8 minutes. -
Freq, bus itself is one thing, how one arranges e schedule, running time matters also.
Like I've mentioned abt e Sv 966 running time, somemore I remembered the driver was only given 9 mins break.
Running buses or public tpt needs a lot of effort and time to plan everything nicely. If one thinks of just making lots of profits from it, e output to commuters would be equal.
If SMRT can plan RWS88's running time w/ 90 mins (foreplan), I dun see why they can't for obglied svs. Even 963R was travelling at 50kph along BKE somemore BC still had long break at RWS. So profits to be made, do kilat. Nothing much to earn, just dun care?
SMRT has to remember who it's operated for esp from a stat board background.
Dun say ppl condemn them, it's they dun want to committ themselves when they've shown on RWS they could.
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fuck smrt. im gonna get my own vehicle soon so i dun hav to suffer anymore
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I have done through 2010 Bus Rationalisation. that means SMRT Buses will be gone. all these cases they are 16 bus operators to be present in Singapore. 2010 bus rationalisation will meant that they will do tendering and competition. in singapore, transport authority do centralised planning now. Everything is about to suffer, withdrawing the VO3X (Batch 1), LO3X have been begun and complete in 2011. VO2X are withdrawn already.
That means that NX Northern became North Coast and is bus company operated by Transport for Singapore, which also includes Southern Buses, unless the Southern Buses is now part of Govia, and either that they might integrate CT Plus, or Blue Triangle or both.
All that means Arriva, First, Govia, Transdev are happy. ComfortDelGro and SMRT is still unhappy.
ask the labour relations commission about SMRT: 'wad happened?'
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Originally posted by Whatdatoot:
fuck smrt. im gonna get my own vehicle soon so i dun hav to suffer anymore
Correct, those damm uneducated xia lan bus driver uncle of SMRT. KNN..Although SBS also su*ks. It is 10 times better than SMRT.
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Originally posted by TIB657M:
187 also, especially during Saturdays, keep the average frequency in 8 minutes.Weird thing about 187.
A lot of buses on Saturdays. No buses on Weekdays. 187 is always crowded with commuters on Weekdays and the frequency is about 10-12 minutes. On weekdays its about 6-8 minutes. Kinda weird but it happens. =X -
Originally posted by sbst275:
It's simply e younger gen planners think we can start to be complacent, telling ppl be happy w/ now and happily making profits out of it by counting wat they gain (loss they wun bother). Tat's why no matter how it goes, there's some need for FTs as the come in w/ hunger to have a better life.Even e mini star can mention ERP can help ppl to own cars. As if we can have 3m cars on e road. Now e same mini star dare to say we've lost focus on public tpt, tat's why public tpt usage rate has dropped.
As for living in M'sia, we can live there w/ our wages level, you think Malaysians not working in S'pore can tahan living in their own country?
It's dreaming if you believe M'sian can stomach RM120,000 for 1 bunglow w/ their wages level or RM2 per lit for petrol either.
I'm not talking about Malaysia. I don't know why are you so critical about Malaysia. Every country has its own problems. At least in Malaysia, you can pay for a bunglow for a price of a small 4 room HDB flat here. Where people want to migrate is their own personal choice. At least they voted themselves out using their own feet. Well, that happens when the citizens gets so fed up and tired of a country that is so unique. Anywhere they go is just better than living here forever.
Well, stop complaining about the place where others prefer.Get back to topic.