SMRT: SMRTB is a liability, no future
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Give 190 to SBST, that would help a lot.
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I think it is quite unfair to blame SMRT in any way. Well, if they think the outlook for bus operations is bleak and afraid of losing bus tenders, I don't see why they can't. It's the company forecast and things like these are often mentioned during financial reports.
Anyway, many decisions regarding our transport system have already left many bemused over them. In fact, the latest QoS doesn't seem to even serve its purpose. I still see 20 mins frequency getting scot-free from any potential fines and all the talk and no walk seems to have gotten even more cars on the roads.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
why now say I'm saying against themSMRT's CFO says it from her mouth abt buses.
And for those against what I'm typing, go outside e world and see how ppl operate public tpt overseas if you still think we're world class.
Thks to complacency, ppl has catched up and overtaken us
I think you need to be more observant. The "world class" tag has been removed slightly after Raymond Lim took office.
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Originally posted by tintinspartan:
They invested in new PIS systems, bought new buses that aren't cheap, eventhough they are reliable and economical
The PIS system is useful, and the new one I find it more reliable than the original one.
Quality doesn't come cheap in this world, especially when it comes to passenger safety.
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Aik,Employ so many foreign talents in Public Transport also say losing money?Shameless save so much over the previous years but dun earn as much as last time then kao bei say loss money,Whatta loads of crap!But frankly having duopoly is better than monopoly regardless of what the outcome.Dunno how to explain but for me its an alternative.Blame it on Gahmen interfere so much.
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I think SMRT management in bus operation should look at the MRT line and do the planing if SMRT can provide some kind of bus service to support it MRT line it can make money from it. But the best as i said is the return the bus service to SBS and SBS return it train service to SMRT. And let LTA do all the service planing and see what new service idea LTA can come out?
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I can see the coming years most likely is the SBS and SMRT reduce the number of buses on the road and SBS share the operation of train service with SMRT. or else how sbs going to least? That why you can see sbs just buying the same kind of buses 1100 of them. With the runing of circle lines most bus serivces will meger with the train serivce or withdraw just like in 1984
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dun forget The Edge interview w/ Mdm Saw months ago
She mentioned buses are needed to feeder ppl to nearest MRT station.
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
I can see the coming years most likely is the SBS and SMRT reduce the number of buses on the road and SBS share the operation of train service with SMRT. or else how sbs going to least? That why you can see sbs just buying the same kind of buses 1100 of them. With the runing of circle lines most bus serivces will meger with the train serivce or withdraw just like in 1984
it's not like a zero sum game.Contary to wat e CEO & CFO mention, the MRT has a limit it can take during peak hrs as well. It's not going to be possible tat everyone's travelling needs can be met by e MRT either.
It's just tat if buses are to survive, you need to change e model
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
I think SMRT management in bus operation should look at the MRT line and do the planing if SMRT can provide some kind of bus service to support it MRT line it can make money from it. But the best as i said is the return the bus service to SBS and SBS return it train service to SMRT. And let LTA do all the service planing and see what new service idea LTA can come out?
I bet tat u can wait until christmas and still see zero bus svcs introduced.No doubt abt tat..lta has totally shifted its attention to trains.They r not gonna care abt buses anymore alr.I can assure u tat.I wash my hands on them alr.
My fren whose aunt works in lta,told me tat lta r planning to withdraw 97e wen circle fully opens.And the best part is he told me tat his aunt told him tat,lta looks more into trains now cuz they bring them more profit and tat buses dun bring much profit to them.Not a very surprising news isnt it?U can get ready to see more and more bus svcs getting axed as more and more ridiculous train lines r being built.
lta shld seriously change its bloody name.No need for the word 'land' in their name anymore since the dun wanna care abt buses alr wat.Shld jus change their name to 'train transport authority' or 'the rail authority'. -
No wonder why I can get loggerheads w/ LTA
BNL Int, SBS knew it's too small, LTA planners say is enough.
Everything all want to count into profit, losses, dollars and cents. This mentality of rent seeking is simply going to destroy e country.
Go ahead remove 97e or even 97, force ppl to squeeze into e poor 3 - 6 mins peak hr freq of EWL and plunder it en-route BNV. Alrdy MRT's signal system is getting heywired alrdy, give it to handle more load.
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Actually i also dun understand why they mus build so many bloody mrt lines for a freakingly small city lik singapore.They trying to beat New York/London subway line is it?No matter wat,the bloody fact remains tat singapore is still a small city.Wat for the need to overcrowd so many lines and wats the point?Its nt as if ppl r going to die witout mrts.The current lines alr so good enough.Go see Malaysia all.Its such a big country and many areas dun even have train links also.Singapore alr weather bloody hot,no forests,still wan take away the alr existing forests jus for the stupid mrt lines.Wat r thinking in their minds man?They dig and dig and keep on digging the tunnels deeper,one day the whole of singapore gonna sink.Lets see if they use their brains in time or wait for someting drastic to happen,then they tink abt wat they r doing.
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SBS did a survey back in e 1980s and they also concluded an all bus system is not going to work either, they're not going to be able to cope.
But honestly, is how resources are allocated to spread ppl onto a choice of buses or train.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
No wonder why I can get loggerheads w/ LTA
BNL Int, SBS knew it's too small, LTA planners say is enough.
Everything all want to count into profit, losses, dollars and cents. This mentality of rent seeking is simply going to destroy e country.
Go ahead remove 97e or even 97, force ppl to squeeze into e poor 3 - 6 mins peak hr freq of EWL and plunder it en-route BNV. Alrdy MRT's signal system is getting heywired alrdy, give it to handle more load.
I tink wen circle line fully opens,not ony 97e,but all the express and ffw svcs will be kena withdrawn one by one.They scared jus dun wan break the news now later confirm ppl will go crazy.Tats y they try to smart aleck say ony withdraw 97e for the start.But we alr know their plan very well and wat they will do wen the line fully opens even if they dun wanna reveal anyting..
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Originally posted by Merczrox:
I tink wen circle line fully opens,not ony 97e,but all the express and ffw svcs will be kena withdrawn one by one.They scared jus dun wan break the news now later confirm ppl will go crazy.Tats y they try to smart aleck say ony withdraw 97e for the start.But we alr know their plan very well and wat they will do wen the line fully opens even if they dun wanna reveal anyting..
3 carriage CCL, saturated EWL loading...receipe for disaster when e time comes.
Dun forget CCL tat side needs to take NUH/ NUS, Pasir Panjang load. CCL peak freq somemore can only maintain at 4 - 5 mins w/ no of rolling stocks
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I don't know why LTA buy 3 car trains for CCL. Merge SMRTB and SBST together , become SBST.
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Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:
I don't know why LTA buy 3 car trains for CCL. Merge SMRTB and SBST together , become SBST.
bus monopoly would also mean a drop in standards in bus services eventually...since there is no one to compete with....then our whole transport system would be screwed up....so much for "world class transport" -
Originally posted by SBS7382C:
bus monopoly would also mean a drop in standards in bus services eventually...since there is no one to compete with....then our whole transport system would be screwed up....so much for "world class transport"
didn't SBS also improved bus svs over e yrs in its own areas. Even bef MRT came abt, they've went w/ double decks, OMTS, trial of aircon buses.It's all dependent on e profile of e people who runs e organisation.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
SBS did a survey back in e 1980s and they also concluded an all bus system is not going to work either, they're not going to be able to cope.
But honestly, is how resources are allocated to spread ppl onto a choice of buses or train.
Correct.Obviously an all bus transport system wldnt work also.There mus be an equal mixture between buses and trains in the system.
But look wats happening now.Its the total opposite.They r trying to use trains to outwit buses from the system.Seriously i also dunno wtf they have in their brains.lta shldnt have interfered and took over the system from sbst and smrt.They took over it,try be smart aleck and built too many train lines and now have destroyed a fair portion of the bus system alr. -
Originally posted by sbst275:
3 carriage CCL, saturated EWL loading...receipe for disaster when e time comes.
Dun forget CCL tat side needs to take NUH/ NUS, Pasir Panjang load. CCL peak freq somemore can only maintain at 4 - 5 mins w/ no of rolling stocks
Tats y i say,they r waiting for someting really terrible and drastic to happen.They still wan to act lik tis and carry on witout using their brains,so be it.Good ting tat i no need to take the stupid ccl to go anywhere.. -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
Correct.Obviously an all bus transport system wldnt work also.There mus be an equal mixture between buses and trains in the system.
But look wats happening now.Its the total opposite.They r trying to use trains to outwit buses from the system.Seriously i also dunno wtf they have in their brains.lta shldnt have interfered and took over the system from sbst and smrt.They took over it,try be smart aleck and built too many train lines and now have destroyed a fair portion of the bus system alr.
They're thinking they can build MRT everywhere cheaply. As if we dun need land for other uses as well.Also I've mentioned, they can't get e single trip ticket right resulting in massive queues of ppl purchasing and returning tickets at e same time by claiming it's too ex to upgrade, how come got budget to build MRT line ar?
we can't even get e basics right for current needs, not to say abt e future.
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Originally posted by Merczrox:
Tats y i say,they r waiting for someting really terrible and drastic to happen.They still wan to act lik tis and carry on witout using their brains,so be it.Good ting tat i no need to take the stupid ccl to go anywhere..
so wat if e planners are RJC/ HCJC profile scholars? e output they give to ppl? lol -
Originally posted by sbst275:
They're thinking they can build MRT everywhere cheaply. As if we dun need land for other uses as well.Also I've mentioned, they can't get e single trip ticket right resulting in massive queues of ppl purchasing and returning tickets at e same time by claiming it's too ex to upgrade, how come got budget to build MRT line ar?
we can't even get e basics right for current needs, not to say abt e future.
Yeah.At least if the train was 6-carriage,still ok la.U see even the EWL/NSL also cannot cope wit all the passengers,i seriously dunno how tis little 3-carriage trains gonna handle all the crowd daily.All thanks to the brainiac lta whos behind tis.
The bloody government always lik tat one la..Everytime talk cock ony.Really impt tings they always cannot do,but they can splash their money anyhow on all tis rubbish.Seriously the government r worse than a pri 1 kid.Dunno how to handle and use money wisely.Outside,ppl no money.Here,they got too much money,so they dunno where to splash on,then splash anywhere,anyhow they lik without tinking abt their ppl also. -
It is quite obvious that u condemning SMRTB. Till this day , don't you see an improvement ? SMRTB standard may not be better than SBST , but look at their MRT Lines . EW Line + NS Line + Circle Line vs NE Line ..SMRT earn big bucks , with the strong foundation of high demand for it's train . SMRT's 190 is earning alot of money , every 2 -5 mins , at least a 190 will come ! i doubt SBST beat the fast frequency . Both companies have their good and bad .
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improvement is not simply buying OC and Citaro. That's just face looks.
I still see ppl fuming w/ overloaded Sv 966 during PM peak. but wat's e freq? 15 mins? somemore running time given from CJC to Bt Panjang Rd/ Blk 270 is only given 15 mins, even at 70kph needs 18 mins. Yet for RWS8, short journey can be given 34 mins to travel. Tat day e bus I was onboard travelled at 30kph at e bridge en-route Vivo. Maybe because more profitable so put in heart and soul on it. isn't it double standard? our own ppl can't even be given reasonable sv on basic svs.
It's always all these small details tat makes whether is do or break.