We need more terminals like Ghim Moh
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if the govt's moving towards point to point trips, with less transfers, the current system of regional interchanges must be done away with.
i think ghim moh terminal is a good example of the direction we should move in. instead consolidating bus routes, we can have trunk lines terminating away from interchanges.
why not have one in loyang? or bedok north? or teban gardens? possibilities are endless. each should serve 2 to 3 routes maximum.
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Uhh.... except the part where the alighting point is next to a rubbish dump
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teban gardens did have a terminal
what happened? it closed.
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Originally posted by TownLink 291:
Uhh.... except the part where the alighting point is next to a rubbish dump
talking bout rumah tinggi Terminal? -
Originally posted by jayh272416:
teban gardens did have a terminal
what happened? it closed.
Closuer of Penjuru Depot -
Admiralty Road West Bus Terminal?
Sembawang Road End Bus Terminal?
Jalan Kayu Bus Terminal? -
I like your idea. However, is there enough to cope the needs of extra services? Will there be enough buses to ply the route? Will the extra services be profitable? What if the terminal is a failure terminal and isn't profitable?
A lot of decision needs to be made before building terminals and making new service/routes.
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u think our bus terminus like HK ar. i mean like every estate... every where got one terminus... lol.. btw speaking of terminus.. how about Hougang South and Punggol road end
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Are you expecting direct services to Orchard and Shenton Way from every estate like in the 70's, with massive duplication along the roads to these popular areas?
How do you expect passengers to make transfers if the buses have to end up calling at interchanges anyway? Have another massive roadside terminal like MacPherson Estate's defunct bus terminal? It might make more sense to have the buses ending at the transfer hub eventually. Not every boarding and alighting segments are matched, nor is the demand of 2 sides of an interchange of a long route always similar. Resources will not be optimised without the hub-and-spoke system.
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There's no pt buses flooding the road either, though I believe current rts could be rationalised in some manner somewhat.
but you sure you want a roadside terminal?
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I remember I had mentioned about the 1978 Jurong Bus Rationalisation. Take a good look at it. If there are clustered terminus (without proper bus interchanges), it will became a fatigue for passengers to transfer every buses just because they want to get to their destination in the shortest possible time. So it's well no use having more terminus and at the end people had to keep transferring buses, since they are conveniently linked to bus interchanges, these applies to HDB new towns.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
There's no pt buses flooding the road either, though I believe current rts could be rationalised in some manner somewhat.
but you sure you want a roadside terminal?
Roadside terminal isn't a good idea to me as one of the lane on a road had to be used for the terminus. -
Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
if the govt's moving towards point to point trips, with less transfers, ...
I'm sorry to say that the govt is moving towards a hub-and-spoke system i.e. Bus/LRT to Integrated Transport Hub, MRT/Trunk Bus to Integrated Transport Hub, Bus/LRT to destination. Like how an airline would operate.
Or you can pay more for premium bus routes.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
I remember I had mentioned about the 1978 Jurong Bus Rationalisation. Take a good look at it. If there are clustered terminus (without proper bus interchanges), it will became a fatigue for passengers to transfer every buses just because they want to get to their destination in the shortest possible time. So it’s well no use having more terminus and at the end people had to keep transferring buses, since they are conveniently linked to bus interchanges, these applies to HDB new towns.
Do you mean this website?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_bus_stations_in_Singapore
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Roadside terminal isn't a good idea to me as one of the lane on a road had to be used for the terminus.
not just tatraining how?
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i'm for more services like 45, 185...
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Originally posted by sinicker:
i'm for more services like 45, 185...
it's possible to have such svs at e same time as esp Jurong, AMK, Bedok are considered big in scalebut bus int will still be e main hubs
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Are you expecting direct services to Orchard and Shenton Way from every estate like in the 70's, with massive duplication along the roads to these popular areas?
How do you expect passengers to make transfers if the buses have to end up calling at interchanges anyway? Have another massive roadside terminal like MacPherson Estate's defunct bus terminal? It might make more sense to have the buses ending at the transfer hub eventually. Not every boarding and alighting segments are matched, nor is the demand of 2 sides of an interchange of a long route always similar. Resources will not be optimised without the hub-and-spoke system.
the model i envision is something like hk's. there're still major interchanges where majority of bus routes in the region terminate. however, some routes can be better channelled to neighbourhoods.take the example of pasir ris. routes 5 and 6 can be extended to a new sub-terminal at elias, taking up the area of a MSCP (i hesitate to term them roadside terminals). this way it provides a direct link that supplements interchanges. at night the buses will still be parked at the interchange, of course.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
not just tatraining how?
and the sheltered bus stops would be cluttered with ppl waiting for the bus.. if one bus shelter is full, they would either hold an umberlla to shelter themselve or walk to the nearest shelter like the HDB Flat (eg. Bt Panjang Ter) lol -
Originally posted by Chanzelun1996:
Nope, as posted in another thread: http://buses.sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/372433?page=14#post_9359783 -
Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
the model i envision is something like hk's. there're still major interchanges where majority of bus routes in the region terminate. however, some routes can be better channelled to neighbourhoods.take the example of pasir ris. routes 5 and 6 can be extended to a new sub-terminal at elias, taking up the area of a MSCP (i hesitate to term them roadside terminals). this way it provides a direct link that supplements interchanges. at night the buses will still be parked at the interchange, of course.
the only thing we can learn from HK if possible is a proper bus - bus interchange scheme. -
Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
the model i envision is something like hk's. there're still major interchanges where majority of bus routes in the region terminate. however, some routes can be better channelled to neighbourhoods.take the example of pasir ris. routes 5 and 6 can be extended to a new sub-terminal at elias, taking up the area of a MSCP (i hesitate to term them roadside terminals). this way it provides a direct link that supplements interchanges. at night the buses will still be parked at the interchange, of course.
there are feeder services that supplement interchange....take for example those townlink services such as 358 or 293... -
Hong Kong unlike Singapore, their new towns are sub-divided into smaller neighbourhood with their own bus terminal. Tat's why you see over there, the bus service numbering are diff say
63X - 6 prefix meaning Tuen Mun based, 3 for the neighbourhood, X for e varient.
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Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
the model i envision is something like hk's. there're still major interchanges where majority of bus routes in the region terminate. however, some routes can be better channelled to neighbourhoods.take the example of pasir ris. routes 5 and 6 can be extended to a new sub-terminal at elias, taking up the area of a MSCP (i hesitate to term them roadside terminals). this way it provides a direct link that supplements interchanges. at night the buses will still be parked at the interchange, of course.
service 6 doesn't go to elias :(
if we integrate service 5 with service 403 (for example), the headway required based on the demand for both service 5 and 403 should be close, and canteen facilities should be available at the looping point of service 403...
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road side terminals looked too 90s, not suitable for the fast-changing urban Singapore though they seems useful and nostalgic.. seriously, they look out-dated and a bit messy and untidy to most people. also, dont think most people staying next to these terminals want it making a din..
maybe SBS is trying hard to make a new terminating point for 64.. who knows