[Hong Kong] Bus discussions / talks
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Originally posted by ADL E200Dart:
ya , in hk the single decker are the minority
we can make a listFull size single decker:
CTB , NLB , DBTSL
MAN NL262R near 90 unit
NLB ,DBTSL , NEW HK BUS.co
MAN NL263R near 30 unit ( whatever with Gemliang body or original Caetano City Gold 2K body )
NLB , DBTSL
MAN NL273R near 15 unit
KMB , LWB
Dennis Lance(Alexander PS) near 28 unit
KMB
Scania K230UB 12M 23 unit
KMB , NEW HK BUS.co
Volvo B7RLE near 45 unit
DBTSL
Mercedes-Benz O405 2 unit
DBTSL
MAN 18.280 (City Bus chassis) 1 unit
MTR
Volvo B10M-55 15 unit
NEW HK BUS CO.
Scania L94UB 3 unit
medium and mini buses
KMB , MTR
Mitsubishi MK117J near 200 unit
KMB
Mitsubishi MK217J near 15 unit
KMB , CTB , NEW HK BUS CO. , MTR
Dennis Dart near 90 unit
KMB , NWFB , DBTSL , NLB
Dennis Dart SLF near 45 unit
PITSL
Transbus Dennis Super Pointer Dart near 15 unit
MTR
ADL E200 Dart 11 unit
CTB , NLB
Volvo B6/B6LE near 30 unit
KMB
Scania K230UB 10.6m 20 unit
DBTSL
MAN 12.220(City Bus chassis) 2 unit
DBTSL
MAN NM223 2 unit
DBTSL
MAN 14.240 (City Bus chassis) 2 unit
DBTSL
Mercedes Benz O814D 2 unit
so u can compare SIN n HK how different on the amount and different kind model....
also becuz hk the road environment so v can introduce to much full size SDs , according this List u can c v got alot of medium Size SDs
but honestly , @ that that two times i went to SIN
i've got a conclusion
'' SINGAPORE bus servive still get a improvement interspace ''
but i'm not deprecate on these things , just a opinion
how come the buses always full? still using the SDs with a not high frequency
how come intorduce The K230UB this cheap n third-rate chassis be the main fleet , the last platoon of the seat is too high (totally 4-5 stepsfrom the exit) The best of a city bus chassis is the SLF bus
how come the name call express service just via so little highway oe expressway ? yr mane is express , but via too much city/town area , not really express (in my opinion , i've take 502 n 518 as before)
the fast foward svc is the most stupid measure
The regular departure after a little bit traffic jam it might be hit the fast foward departure , so stupid @@
the buses of SBS exterior some part were broke and sunken still in svc also the engine sound is noisy , especially the O405 and VO2X
the interior of the buses can using the warmer light ,
SBS / SMRT can operate some point to point Expressway Bus service
it's really attractive for the Office guy @ am/pm peak hr.s
the Expressway Bus service got a long history in HK already
Wow not bad leh.hk got so many MAN SDs in addition to the MAN DDs also.Really cool man.I really like MAN buses and i hope to see SBST buying them since the MAN 18.240 demo is with them now.But i think it will be a really long time after we can see more of them here in Singapore.
Yeah the K230s rear is damn pathetic.I myself and many other ppl as well have always bumped our head in the ceiling when we stand up after sitting in the last row of seats.Very irritating sia....
U cant expect much of the SBST Merc O405s and the VO2X all alr cuz they are old and are almost reaching their end of their lifespans alr.
And if u dunno,SBS bought 700 Merc O405s from 1990-1991.Now there are only ard 290 of them left cuz the rest of them have been scrapped earlier alr.The standard lifespan is 19 years here.But some of this Merc O405s were scrapped at ard 17 years alr without an extension :(
TIBS was formed later in 1982.Then ard 2003 or 2004 like that,it became SMRT.Thats why the SMRT buses look better and newer in the exterior as bascially the whole fleet is all new buses with the exception of the Nissan Diesels and the Scania ELBOs.Haha. -
is this the tridents?
im more intrested in the B7RLE... any pictures?
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Originally posted by Ngweitong:
is this the tridents?
im more intrested in the B7RLE... any pictures?
No. This is the new "Alexander Dennis Enviro 400" 10.5m double decker bus.
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Originally posted by Anthony lui:
Definitely NOT.Wheelchair ramps at the middle door:
NWFB 33XX, CTB 2100, 2112-2161, Red Cross B7RLE?...
Plus some are as ugly as SG that no ramp is installed (some retrofitted)
Most non-step buses in Japan have ramps in the middle.
Short front overhang MAN also do. e.g. NM283
prob i din say clearly buses in LA, NY, SF, Suisse
33XX series was due to low height clearance for sv15 route due to low height at bottom Mount kellet Bridge[bridge clearance 4m] its only 4.17m tall tts the exception[source adapted fr gakei website]
CTB 2100 is Airbus, 2112 -2161 are all COACHES -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
prob i din say clearly buses in LA, NY, SF, Suisse
33XX series was due to low height clearance for sv15 route due to low height at bottom Mount kellet Bridge[bridge clearance 4m] its only 4.17m tall tts the exception[source adapted fr gakei website]
CTB 2100 is Airbus, 2112 -2161 are all COACHES
Well, 33xx have rear ramp because of its shorter front overhang instead of its height. On my similar page discribing 33xx, you will find that the company is challenging the law regarding the height.All those DM buses are for airport service. But note that most of these powered ramps have become out of order and the driver had to move the wheelchair to the bus. On top of that, many CTB buses do not have ramp installed. e.g. 1501-1580, the rest of 2101-2301?... when they were purchased new. but they do have wheelchair spaces. It is unacceptable in terms of wheelchair access and occupational health and safety.
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Originally posted by Anthony lui:
Well, 33xx have rear ramp because of its shorter front overhang instead of its height. On my similar page discribing 33xx, you will find that the company is challenging the law regarding the height.All those DM buses are for airport service. But note that most of these powered ramps have become out of order and the driver had to move the wheelchair to the bus. On top of that, many CTB buses do not have ramp installed. e.g. 1501-1580, the rest of 2101-2301?... when they were purchased new. but they do have wheelchair spaces. It is unacceptable in terms of wheelchair access and occupational health and safety.
The VO3X buses do not have and most of them belong to CTB... haiz
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Originally posted by sbst272:
No. This is the new "Alexander Dennis Enviro 400" 10.5m double decker bus.
He is right to a certain extend as the E400s / E500s are actually based on a trident chassis. -
the Dennis lance are on the out and out. left less than 28 units i guess...
Macau buses are more worse and squeezy crowded...
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latest new , 11/12 11:21
KMB ADL E400 already also pass the tilt test @these few days
and waiting for the GOV. TD handover the license to KMB,
but honestly , it will not on svc yet , becuz KMB will do alot of road test , or let some driver to get some training first , i hope it can entering svc before mid-Jan.....alot of hk bus fans fourm are stll guessing wt route will kmb put it , we thought that KMB want to show off the new vehicle so will put on the lower capacity cross habour route , for example maybe 109 , 103 ....
becuz the E400 can't carry too much passengers , also it can only carry 90 passengers , so can't operate on some high capacity route
this responsibility must handover to the B9TL , E500 , K310UD
anotherside, CTB ADL E400 already @ CTB main depot , (Chai Wan Depot) , CTB didn't remove the bull bar , becuz the E400 will run the
stanley routes(unconfirm) , wtever it will run the express route 6X , 260 or traditional route 6,6A the road is really narrow and the tree is ververy easily hit the bus , so they didn't remove the bullbar , but honestly , we guess CTB one entering svc faster than KMB .
a bamboo telegraph from a staff from KMB , The Scania K310UD demonstrator ASU1 and ASU2 will withdrawn soon , although a new batch of Scania Buses arrived ( K230UB and K230UB ) , the main reason is KMB dissatisfied of ASU1 and ASU2 , KMB request Scania to Build another 2 unit for them to replace the ASU1 and ASU2 .
in nowadays The ASU1 is on a express route 69X , ASU2 is on the traditional cross habour route 104
(so if u feel interest on them , shoot them!!=] )
the new batch of K310UD although some of them the interior were dusty already , but they still not get the license , some of them still parking on the outdoor carpark .
also we got a list of the new order vehicle of KMB
Alexander Dennis Trident 10.45m Enviro400 Euro V (1 unit , unknown fleet no.)
Alexander Dennis Trident 12m Enviro500 Euro IV (46 unit , ATEU11 - 56)*
Scania K230UB 12M EuroIV (20 unit , ASC11 - 30)w
Scania K310UD 12M Ruro IV (18 unit , ASU3-20)
Volvo B7RLE 12m MCV Euro V (70 unit !! unknown fleet no.)
Volvo B9TL 12m Wright Explorer + MCV??? Euro V (175,unknown fleet no.)
Total: 330
Alexander Dennis : 47
Scania :38
Volvo : 245
Euro4 emission standard : 84
++ 11/12 latest news 22:43
KMB has order 20 unit of E400 without that already arrived demonstrator...totally 21 unit of E400
Euro4 emission standard : 246
single decker:90
double decker : 240
we also get a bamboo telegraph that , 175 unit B9TL will not all the Wright Gemini Body , some of them maybe will Give MCV to build the body....
also , in 2010 CTB maybe will introduce one Wright Gemini Volvo B9TL demonstrator....
those buses will replaced the earliest Leyland Olympain A/C and Dennis Dragon A/C , Dennis Lances , Scania N113(DD bus demonstrator AS1+AS2 )
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Sorry to add on juz came bac...
most CTB[Dennis Tridents] coaches have ramps, the E, A services i mean...
NWFB svcs like sv15,23,25,26 also have ramps[rear] even if its lower height CONFIRM by sighting -
16/12/2009 1653 hrs
Boarded E11 [Airport Bound] 2204 HV6874 bus use the Tsing Ma Tunnel[below the bridge] instead of on the bridge itself to reach Lantau island toll plaza.
1st time i realise there's a pair of tunnels below the bridge and there were traffic lights there.
only one lane on each side but breakdown lanes exists on the left/right of each direction, so technically speaking can accomodate two DD sized buses... -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
16/12/2009 1653 hrs
Boarded E11 [Airport Bound] 2204 HV6874 bus use the Tsing Ma Tunnel[below the bridge] instead of on the bridge itself to reach Lantau island toll plaza.
1st time i realise there's a pair of tunnels below the bridge and there were traffic lights there.
only one lane on each side but breakdown lanes exists on the left/right of each direction, so technically speaking can accomodate two DD sized buses...Wait. Please rephrase it. Tsing Ma Bridge or we call it Lantau Link has no tunnels. It only has lower levels for the MTR tracks(there's 4 tracks, two for tung chung line and two for the airport express), 4(2+2) vehicular lanes. It has no tunnels. It's just the lower level of the bridge itself only.
Somehow the vehicular lanes are there for a purpose. More like to facilitate breakdown train stocks on the tracks.
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Originally posted by SBS8214Z:
Wait. Please rephrase it. Tsing Ma Bridge or we call it Lantau Link has no tunnels. It only has lower levels for the MTR tracks(there's 4 tracks, two for tung chung line and two for the airport express), 4(2+2) vehicular lanes. It has no tunnels. It's just the lower level of the bridge itself only.
Somehow the vehicular lanes are there for a purpose. More like to facilitate breakdown train stocks on the tracks.
well i did highlight below the bridge itself...
its below the bridge n covered up... i would term it us a tunnel
aniway besides my E11, the E/A buses were using it together with some passenger coach/car yest evening. -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
well i did highlight below the bridge itself...
its below the bridge n covered up... i would term it us a tunnel
aniway besides my E11, the E/A buses were using it together with some passenger coach/car yest evening.I try MTR one day under the tsing ma bridge :D
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
16/12/2009 1653 hrs
Boarded E11 [Airport Bound] 2204 HV6874 bus use the Tsing Ma Tunnel[below the bridge] instead of on the bridge itself to reach Lantau island toll plaza.
1st time i realise there's a pair of tunnels below the bridge and there were traffic lights there.
only one lane on each side but breakdown lanes exists on the left/right of each direction, so technically speaking can accomodate two DD sized buses...
Our A21 towards Airport on 18 Dec (2130 / HT6075, took at about 4pm) also took the lower deck of the Lantau Link, no upper deck views of the bridge =( As we were approaching the bridge the road signs said both upper and lower decks were open, and I suppose the bus captains have been instructed to take lower deck in such cases.Seems that the inclement (and much colder) weather that set in from Wednesday onwards forced the opening of the lower deck as a precautionary measure (when winds are strong or a typhoon is on approach, the surface of the bridge will be closed and all vehicles diverted to the sheltered lower deck).
Anyway, nice meeting you on the UA896 =) Hope you enjoyed your trip as much as we did!
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Last Sunday all the route except 110 and 296D (Kowloon Railway Stn) have moved to the new terminus temporary iirc at To Wah Road (juz near kowloon railway stn)
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Originally posted by sv966:
Our A21 towards Airport on 18 Dec (2130 / HT6075, took at about 4pm) also took the lower deck of the Lantau Link, no upper deck views of the bridge =( As we were approaching the bridge the road signs said both upper and lower decks were open, and I suppose the bus captains have been instructed to take lower deck in such cases.Seems that the inclement (and much colder) weather that set in from Wednesday onwards forced the opening of the lower deck as a precautionary measure (when winds are strong or a typhoon is on approach, the surface of the bridge will be closed and all vehicles diverted to the sheltered lower deck).
Anyway, nice meeting you on the UA896 =) Hope you enjoyed your trip as much as we did!
Great to see you guys on the flight!
hope you had a nice trip :) -
KMB urged to cut fares for disabled 23-12-2009
More than 100 people representing disabled groups have staged a protest against Kowloon Motor Bus, for allegedly reneging on a promise to offer disabled passengers half-priced fares. The protesters marched from the Tsim Sha Tsui MTR station to the KMB depot at the Star Ferry pier - on the day that the train operator introduced concessions for the disabled. They claim the company had previously promised to offer concessionary fares, if the MTRC did the same. Former legislator Fernando Cheung urged the KMB to keep its promise. -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
And if u dunno,SBS bought 700 Merc O405s from 1990-1991.Now there are only ard 290 of them left cuz the rest of them have been scrapped earlier alr.The standard lifespan is 19 years here.But some of this Merc O405s were scrapped at ard 17 years alr without an extension :(
TIBS was formed later in 1982.Then ard 2003 or 2004 like that,it became SMRT.Thats why the SMRT buses look better and newer in the exterior as bascially the whole fleet is all new buses with the exception of the Nissan Diesels and the Scania ELBOs.Haha.Correction:
The standard lifespan is 17 years here, not 19. The O405s are extended 2 years more, beyond the 17 years lifespan.
And no point having better looking buses when SMRT maintainance is like totally crap.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Correction:
The standard lifespan is 17 years here, not 19. The O405s are extended 2 years more, beyond the 17 years lifespan.
And no point having better looking buses when SMRT maintainance is like totally crap.
k thanks for correcting.
I wld say tat SMRT's maintanence is not totally crap now.Last time maybe yes.But now i have to say tat their maintanence has improved a lot.I took their buses recently and they r way better than last time.Although i have to agree tat they still need to improve further.But improving so much now is at least better than nothing. =) -
Woman killed in bus accident 09-01-2010
A thirty-year old woman has been killed in an early morning traffic accident in Mong Kok. Police say the victim was hit by a bus at the intersection of Nathan Road and Argyle Street at around four o'clock this morning. It took firefighters 20 minutes to lift the vehicle up to free the woman. She was certified dead upon arrival in hospital. Police are investigating the accident. -
21/1/10
As the whole East Rail Line was suspended for 1 hour, feeder buses were sent to transfer people between stations.
http://www.facebook.com/#/album.php?aid=146791&id=166464957133&ref=mf
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English translation:
Apology over East Rail Line disruption 22-01-2010
The MTRC has apologised for disruption to services on the East Rail Line yesterday evening. Trains were stopped for an hour from around 7.20pm. The company said it was down to a signalling fault. People had to use replacement shuttle buses instead. Some said they were unhappy with the poor directions given by MTR staff. -
Govt urged to push for bus discounts 22-01-2010
The government's been urged to push bus companies to provide greater interchange discounts for passengers. This comes as the authorities look at rationalising bus routes to help cut air pollution. Councillors at a Transport Panel meeting said they supported the plan. But Albert Chan of the League of Social Democrats said passengers would need to be offered fare incentives to support the idea. -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
Govt urged to push for bus discounts <!-- headline-->
22-01-2010
<!-- content -->The government's been urged to push bus companies to provide greater interchange discounts for passengers. This comes as the authorities look at rationalising bus routes to help cut air pollution. Councillors at a Transport Panel meeting said they supported the plan. But Albert Chan of the League of Social Democrats said passengers would need to be offered fare incentives to support the idea. <!-- content end -->
what do they mean by bus discounts?