Fast or slow?
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Originally posted by service_238:
how come no one say about 74?
last time before the circle line opened, was bad... nowadays not that bad already
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Originally posted by service_238:
how come no one say about 74?
74e is slower/as fast as 74 :p~
The last few times I took 39, it was sooo horribly slow that even lorries and other buses were overtaking it. . .oh well, maybe just my luck :p.
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sv 99 can be considered fast also.. due to presence of bunchups.
like in pm peak, high demand sector is from clementi to jw st 91, after loop to clementi then low demand. in this case some buses will be quite empty and overtake each other.
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Originally posted by n4l:
74e is slower/as fast as 74 :p~
The last few times I took 39, it was sooo horribly slow that even lorries and other buses were overtaking it. . .oh well, maybe just my luck :p.
74e is faster, provided that there's no jam in PIE
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when 2828 - 2830 were on 39, fast.
KUBs, slow. -
Originally posted by Double_Decker:
I've heard from some colleagues saying that the pick-up speed of SBST buses are tightened due to safety concerns. Not sure how true. But SMRT buses have better pick-up than SBST. Most of the time if a SBST and a SMRT bus are side by side at a traffic light, the SMRT bus can easily run ahead of the SBST bus when they move off, even when SBST bus is at full acceleration.I'm not sure about hong kong buses. Is it better than SMRT buses?
That reminds me of the younger days of former SBS Scania CRB buses. The acceleration was very powerful and with a quiet engine. I can hardly notice when it zipped passed me! Due to a later spate of accidents involving this model, SBS weakened its acceleration to the entire fleet.
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Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
74e is faster, provided that there's no jam in PIE
Time saved isn't worth the cost imo, unless maybe you're talking about taking it to Hougang - that I won't deny there could be a saving.
I took 74e from SIM to Marymount Road. The 74 behind the 74e I boarded reached Marymount Road first - and there wasn't any jam on PIE. Was on time too. . .
74e takes 35 minutes if we look at the timetable (SIM to Marymount Road). The normal 74 takes about 30-35 too...(in fact sometimes giving 35 minutes to the normal 74 is sufficient enough for it to reach the end of Clementi Road :x)
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
That reminds me of the younger days of former SBS Scania CRB buses. The acceleration was very powerful and with a quiet engine. I can hardly notice when it zipped passed me! Due to a later spate of accidents involving this model, SBS weakened its acceleration to the entire fleet.
yeah last time was gd...but when it went on to feeder services suddenly become very very slow -
Svc 18
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Originally posted by Double_Decker:
I've heard from some colleagues saying that the pick-up speed of SBST buses are tightened due to safety concerns. Not sure how true. But SMRT buses have better pick-up than SBST. Most of the time if a SBST and a SMRT bus are side by side at a traffic light, the SMRT bus can easily run ahead of the SBST bus when they move off, even when SBST bus is at full acceleration.I'm not sure about hong kong buses. Is it better than SMRT buses?
If you have been a bus captain for SBST long enough, you might know that there was a series of numerous bus accidents by SBS buses in the 1990s. The accidents happened very frequently, at least one per month, be it major or minor. I guess is this series of incidents that made SBS tuned up its bus fleet for safety reasons. That time they even engaged techinicians from Mercedes Benz, Scnia and Volvo to check on the condition of all the bus fleets. So that's probably one of the reason why SBS bus trips are slower since then.However I do agree SBST buses are slower generally, which means a longer schedule time for each trip. Advantage: Bus captains will drive at a speed that is safer, and on the other hand, they do not have to worry or stressed out when driving on tight schdules, and less fatigue and stress for them. Bus company can also ensure buses arrive on time for certain locations with better frequencies, as promised by the bus operator. Disadvantage: Buses may have to slow down due to ahead of schedules or drive very fast because of lag on schedule.
Double_decker, as a staff of SBST, maybe you can feedback this to SBST in the public's point of view that bus trips are too slow for most commuters. To make bus commuting more attractive, you can suggest to them that the travel time for each trip can be cut by at first 5 mins for every trip and do a progressive time cuttings as time passes through trial and error. However this might not be easy as it involves a lot of re planning and maybe even might be at a disadvantage for bus captains. But for long run service improvements, I think it's worth the try.
However this problem will be more prevalent in future due to 10 min frequency ruling, as timings have to followed tightly to prevent bunching. So most likely slower trips. If I am LTA, I would rather offer a 15 min time interval, a seamless guided bus system and at least 80% double decker fleet to cater the needs of commuters during peak hours. Longer frequency yes, but more punctual trips (using guided bus system), and comfortable trips (more seats avaliable for double deckers).
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Originally posted by n4l:
Time saved isn't worth the cost imo, unless maybe you're talking about taking it to Hougang - that I won't deny there could be a saving.
I took 74e from SIM to Marymount Road. The 74 behind the 74e I boarded reached Marymount Road first - and there wasn't any jam on PIE. Was on time too. . .
74e takes 35 minutes if we look at the timetable (SIM to Marymount Road). The normal 74 takes about 30-35 too...(in fact sometimes giving 35 minutes to the normal 74 is sufficient enough for it to reach the end of Clementi Road :x)
somehow i gotta agree to this. because there's a 'risk' present along Dunearn Rd, but nowadays we seldom see that area jammed. Another place is Lornie Rd. Used to jam like crazy last time, nowadays not that much, so there's a chance 74 is faster than 74e.
Last time, 74 in AM peak comfirm lambat, at least 5 to 10 minutes, worse case scenario can go up to 20+minutes. Nowadays, not wierd to see them early... Imo, the 74 runtime can be revised slightly... and that the ffw is allowed to change their route according to traffic conditions, but it seems like when PIE has a major jam, they still go accordingly... they should either make use of the service by Onemotoring and LTA to view the traffic cameras before deciding which route to go, or when the 1st bus encounter any jam, report back to the OCC...
If PIE were to jam and Lornie Rd and Bukit Timah Rd are clear, they should just express that stretch of route...
but on the light note, i still support the 74e route.. haha.. been collecting the tickets for the different regos.. still rmb the days of 1943Z, 1959D and 1965K, and now 2717D, 2721R and 2723K...
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As with the speed-limitor, we'll have some that are not disadvantaged.
The most obvious being some LOs, and MKIV DMs.
Edit: Also, if you guys know anything for the better, please keep quiet...I know you would wanna share the regoes, but let's not spoil the party.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
I think HK buses go at 80km/h for expressways.... 60km/hr for normal routes.
hong Kong buses are now speed limited to 70km/h on highways. new rule in palce this yr.sianz
(As if my Dennis Dragon ride on highway there then was any faster, the guy was going some 65km/h , its like taking a sbst LO3x on the Hong Kong highway...)
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Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:
197 SUPER SLOW.
who says, i took at 40-60 kph full trip defore, try to take the early A shifts nfrom bedok interchange
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Originally posted by Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1):
Svc 18
Sometimes fast
Sometimes SlowSBS 1940 , SBS 1923 G super fast one
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Fast: 98, 99, 160, 169, 187, 198 (Day time), 852
Slow: 74 (at night), 170 (Before Kranji Station portion), 198 (Before 6.30am), 902
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
i noticed that sv156 BCs are given A LOT of time to travel from Holland Rd to Clementi Int. Always notice this in the mornings.
198 also. I failed to miss SBS1941D (6.22am) slot. As my 'school bus' from Jurong East Avenue 1 to BNL. The BC tended to drive in a slow acceleration. However, it started to chiong after Boon Lay Avenue. At the end, it reached BNL at around 6.45am everyday. Normally, service 198 can reach BNL within (or less than) 18 minutes.It was before B9 was introduced on 198. Same thing goes to SBS7332Y too when it took over 6.22am's slot.
But I think it has something to do with timings.
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From my observation,
Sv 7, 21, 25, 54, 56, 58, 60, 65, 72, 74, 80, 166, 186, 196 and 198 should cut run time.
Sv 16, 27, 36, 57, 63, 64, 66, 97, 98, 105, 133, 151, 154, 161, 168, 174, 197 need to add run time.Express services, 502, 506, 518 have got no penalties for driving ahead of schedule, but they have to leave int at the scheduled time.
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Originally posted by n4l:
The last few times I took 39, it was sooo horribly slow that even lorries and other buses were overtaking it. . .oh well, maybe just my luck :p.
Actually if u are talking about lorries and other buses overtaking it on the expressways, then i would say it's pretty normal. All buses are supposed to travel at not more than 60km/h on expressways. Those lorries and other buses might be speeding.Slow most likely means it's travelling at below 35km/h on normal roads, or the top gear not even reached for the whole journey.
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Originally posted by Double_Decker:
31 along marine parade n bedok south
31 gu yi yao 197.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
Express services, 502, 506, 518 have got no penalties for driving ahead of schedule, but they have to leave int at the scheduled time.
ffw? any penalty?
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
From my observation,
Sv 7, 21, 25, 54, 56, 58, 60, 65, 72, 74, 80, 166, 186, 196 and 198 should cut run time.
Sv 16, 27, 36, 57, 63, 64, 66, 97, 98, 105, 133, 151, 154, 161, 168, 174, 197 need to add run time.Express services, 502, 506, 518 have got no penalties for driving ahead of schedule, but they have to leave int at the scheduled time.
854 takes only 20-22min by schedule from Bedok to CDC.. 25 takes almost that same amount of time to Jln Eunos.tsk tsk tsk..
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
ffw? any penalty?
If I'm not mistaken, no - they're all under another set of PTC rules.
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Originally posted by Double_Decker:
Actually if u are talking about lorries and other buses overtaking it on the expressways, then i would say it's pretty normal. All buses are supposed to travel at not more than 60km/h on expressways. Those lorries and other buses might be speeding.Slow most likely means it's travelling at below 35km/h on normal roads, or the top gear not even reached for the whole journey.
But other buses = SBST buses... :)~