Past bus routes and deployment
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:
hougang depot is a fairly new depot. roughly opened in 1988. as such ur answer is falwed.
198 when brand new was JRDEP based. lots of new new o305 of 198 were 24xx also suggesting it had BNDEP (opened in 1981) roots.
198 later became Jurong with the LO2x and with O305s from HGDEP, the other o305 zao to 197 (i think)when 198 got sliced at mei chin in early 1990, the Lo2x remained on 198, suggesting 198 became full jurong.
it was only in more recent times when SLBP opened in 1995 then 198 zao to BBDEP. For reasons unknown , but service)_239 suggested off service running time is short. I once had a BC of 198 tell me about "the short cut from BBDEp to Boon lay" int , that i din understood at all..hahah64 when brand new started from Ulu pandan to macpherson, suggesting it was of Hock lee origin.
it was later invovled in a big mess of amendmentws involving 190, 191 14 and 32.
(pls refer to the 1969 bus guide in wiki pls)
this was when 64 was under the PJRBP1529 1592 were ran on 64
Much later 64 as u know loop at mei Chin. and ALDEP was still aroundi spotted 1155 1195 1395 1400 on 64.
because 64 ended at Macpherson Est - it was probably close to BNDEP. as such many BNDEP buses found its way onto 64. but all these chnaged when HGDEP opened
and u know the rest of the story.
BNDEP buses had 4 series rego. I think the 2 series ones ended up in HGDEP when the old Bedok depot closed.
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
St Michaels route group was handed over to AMDEP from HGDEP in 1st quarter 1998. Services 74 and 165 went to HGDEP in exchange.Add on in 2004, Serangoon route group came under HGDEP in exchange for Eunos route group that went to AMDEP/BRBP.
Service 132 was handed over to HGDEP in 1997.
If St Mikes routes were HGDEP, explain why there were CRBs serving on those routes up to 1995 and NAC DM Mercs thereafter.
I remember 3639 went from AM 124 to BN 16 before settling down on 225.
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Just want to know, which western depot controlled 502 when it was still serving between Sengkang & Boon Lay? Was it ever under bbdep together with 507? Anyone recall the original fleet of 507 before it went under slbp control?
So the 3 depots, bbdep jrdep jrbp were individual depots in one district or were their bus interchangeable? I don't think they exchanged buses right?
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Originally posted by Ex-busdriver:
During that time all the buses serving 188 were parked in jrbp, just like buses serving service 77 which were parked at arbp instead of bbdep.
bbdep used to be very crowded when it was still operating the CCK, Bt Batok and Bt Panjang routes.
But by the time 188 was re-introduced in around 1998/1999, Bukit Panjang route was already governed by TIBS.Agreed with you, before handover, BBDEP/ARBP was overcrowded. But after handover, number of buses at BBDEP became lesser whereas HGDEP became more.
To conclude, TIBS took over north-west area whereas SBS took over north-east area in conjunction of NEL.
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
Agreed with you, before handover, BBDEP/ARBP was overcrowded. But after handover, number of buses at BBDEP became lesser whereas HGDEP became more.To conclude, TIBS took over north-west area whereas SBS took over north-east area in conjunction of NEL.
hgdep took in a lot of buses. amdep and bndep were also affected. Those 920x VO3x from 10 were transfered to hgdep, while 10 receives LO3x from 106 which was handed over to Tibs. And I saw 9037L on 87. LOL.166 was under majority amdep. After 67 and 103 handover, 166 Mercs from amdep went to 103, 166 went majority control under bbdep, using Striders from 67 (1913K - 1917A, 1931H - 1933C).
143 was moved to majority jrdep too. At the same time bram took full control of 88 from bndep.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Service 171 never had DDs, mostly it has NAC/OAC mercs before TIBS took overr.
but if not svc 171, then idk because i remember seeing a LO2x at Yishun Int -
can someone xplain why HGDEP is in the west district?
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
can someone xplain why HGDEP is in the west district?
this is like the 3418987634567887654567812173612432632924th time i'm explaining in sgf.In 2003, there's:
East - hgdep bndep
Central - amdep brbp
West - bbdep arbp slbp1st bus park indicates district HQ
there was some district restructuring in early 2004. East closed down, so Central took over East and rename it as East. As combining East and Central would be too big, one of the old East bus park would have to go West. As hgdep is geographically more west of HG and BN, HG went West.
So the new classification is:
East: amdep brbp bndep
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
Just want to know, which western depot controlled 502 when it was still serving between Sengkang & Boon Lay? Was it ever under bbdep together with 507? Anyone recall the original fleet of 507 before it went under slbp control?
So the 3 depots, bbdep jrdep jrbp were individual depots in one district or were their bus interchangeable? I don't think they exchanged buses right?
507 uses MK4 striders. i thought it was BBDEP control since it is full MK4 strider fleet?then 502 i think is full HGDEP control. i rmb i boarded a DT from my house to sengkang.
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Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
507 uses MK4 striders. i thought it was BBDEP control since it is full MK4 strider fleet?then 502 i think is full HGDEP control. i rmb i boarded a DT from my house to sengkang.
I remember seeing LO3x and Mercs on 502 before the route amendment. 9120D was perm on 502, and served awhile more after the route amendment before 502 was reduced to full SD fleet. 9120D went arbp as SP and then perm 10. So 502 was under bbdep before or which jurong before slbp era?507 had no DDs? Yeah, the Striders went over to slbp for a short while and returned to bbdep after the PA Mercs perm 502 and 507. Some of those 264x Striders went to slbp and back to bbdep. Remember seeing a pic of 1897Z on 157 when slbp was new.
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Services 7, 9, 25, 26, 32, 33, 197, 154, 60, 94, 63 were under HGDEP in the past. Why were they transfered to other depots?
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
Services 7, 9, 25, 26, 32, 33, 197, 154, 60, 94, 63 were under HGDEP in the past. Why were they transfered to other depots?
Bedok Route group to be under full East control, other than 87, which is now under Sengkang Route group.Eunos services given to East in 2004 in exchange for Serangoon to the West.
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Where did the buses of ex SBS services 77, 61, 173, 189 went to after the handover to TIBS?
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Originally posted by iveco:
If St Mikes routes were HGDEP, explain why there were CRBs serving on those routes up to 1995 and NAC DM Mercs thereafter.
I remember 3639 went from AM 124 to BN 16 before settling down on 225.
If I am not mistaken, St Michaels route group was under TPDEP (BRBP) in the past, Scania N113CRBs were deployed on all the 12x services when new. Somewhere in 1995 it went under HGDEP with Volvo MK4 fleets, then in 1998 back under AMDEP again. HGDEP also used to have NAC Mercs which operated on service 131.Add on to service 400 too, from TPDEP to HGDEP then AMDEP.
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:
Svc 174 was under JRDEP at first. then later trasnferred over to BBDEP. Jurong road led to BBDEp so that made sense. it is here that the mark 2s debutted on svc 174. perhaps the sole purpose of trasnferring 174 to BBDEp in 1986?was to debut the mark 2s on a Orchard rd svc. who knows?hard evidence shows Volvo b57 of BBDEp did run on 174
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1528 1581 1583 1603 1625--1628 1696 were more or less perm on 174 in the 1980s days.ZYX
Then in 1993 back to Jurong Depot again
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just to add on
South Canal terminal
this terminal existed in the late 50s with hock lee bus Services operating it. Among them Hock lee Svc 1 and 2 and some others i frogot.
Two of the ex Hock lee Bus services went thru the number conversion excercise of 1968 or 1969 and became 192A and 192.
192A and 192 still operated from South Canal.
Into the early 1970s as the network gets rationalised, 192 was withdrawn and 102A was converted to svc 192. THIS ISS the 192 that most of us here will know. The one that became today 51.
Svc 186 of today is regarded as the closest being to hock lee bus service from Queenstown to town. If u hear me saying I want to take the Hock lee bus service, i refer to 186.So when the terminal closed in 1995 is it? it was one of the longest running bus terminals in Town.
today a traffic island diving the shophosues and the other side along South Canal road reminds us of its past as mianly a bus services turn around point.
In the late 1950s pcitures show the buses parking at the shophouses in a saw tooth berth format.pictures depitcing the place in 1980s show the parking bays still are saw tooth but now on the middle of the road. (easier for bus to u turn i guess)
ZYX
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The 1973 unification
Note on bus regos
the time came for the ABC ABS and UBC to come as one. to form SSBS, this is 1970,
buses in those days were being bought a lot by the current UBC ABS and ABC. they were registereed SH
in 1971 with nothing happening towards full unity, the govt stepped in. this was when SBS bus regos begin to appear.
Essentially they took all the ABS ABC UBC buses and re-registered everyone. even those at the vehcile registeration compoud etc with current SH rego registered 1 month earlier, were to get SBS regos.A system was decided upon.
Buses belonging to each company (ABC UBC ABS ) were to msotly remain in their own depots. However, to balance out and to introduce new routes, some of the company buses are to "Depot trasnfer".Now they have to decide which places are to be depots.
After that they decided to number the buses according to depot.
ListALDEP
ALExnadra Depot
(Ex Hock lee then later ABC) - SBS 1xxx
(SSo if u were registered SBS1144, it just means u are the 144th bus to be registered there)
BDDEP
Bedok Depot (Location near to Somapah Bus Interchange)
(Origins unknown - awaiting Mike davis 2nd book) - SBS 2xxx
WLDEP
Woodlands Depot (Location - as stated by u guys, kranji there)
(origins likely UBC depot, prob belonged to tay Koh yat) - Svc 170 bsues come inside here to refuel.If I was riding a svc 170 MB oF1413 then I would have had the opporutinity to visit a depot whilst remain on bus as they refuel. I have heard stories of them even banging on advertisement panels while u were refuleing.
WLDEP
SBS 3xxx
BNDEP
Bedok NORTH Depot
Built duirng SBS days
SBS 4xxx
AMKDEP
Ang Mo Kio Depot
built during SBS days
SBS 5xxx
TPDEP
toa payoh Depot
Built during SBS days - HQ is located here
Later renamed BRAM .
SBS 6xxx
JRDEP
Jurong Depot
Built during SBS days
SBS 7xxx
Note - Buses registered after 1984 do not follow depot registeration rules. the rule was dropped by mid or early 80s.
Note- the above does not explain how some 600xx UDs ended up in BNDEP in 1975 or 1976. Perhaps a depot trasnfer is unknown. 40xx UDs were certainly under BNDEPZYX
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
If I am not mistaken, St Michaels route group was under TPDEP (BRBP) in the past, Scania N113CRBs were deployed on all the 12x services when new. Somewhere in 1995 it went under HGDEP with Volvo MK4 fleets, then in 1998 back under AMDEP again. HGDEP also used to have NAC Mercs which operated on service 131.Add on to service 400 too, from TPDEP to HGDEP then AMDEP.
You are not mistaken.
The Leyland Victories were spotted doing svc 400. (Known as guy vicotry to others)
And as u know leyland Victories were exclusive to TPDEP (u may use BRAm interchangably)note on usgae of mdoels
leyland victory = Guy Victorylyeland Viking = Albion Viking
ZYX
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Hino Demonstrator
As far as i know, the thing ran Svc 20 (Ex ABS)
it never did other services
171 Lo2x? or 162 LO2x harh?
171 did not use any DD bus.
what u meant was svc 162 LO2x demo
isuzu Demostrator
SBS 1517 ran on svc 92 (PJRBP)ZYX
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what about before TPDEP. where was SBS HQ located?
i hope someone can answer this question here
before the big hoo hah about the opening of SBS HQ in the early 80s i think, where was SBS HQ located?
i have heard from some older peeps it is King Albert Park Bus Depot (KAPDEP) .all i know is this so called KAPDEP belonged to some Chinese Bus Co .
ZYX
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
Where did the buses of ex SBS services 77, 61, 173, 189 went to after the handover to TIBS?
The Mark Threes went over to s170 and the later s160. Several s189 VO2X (eg. 7256) went to s93 and some over to SL.
I did not 'stock take' the SBS s189 fleet, but the initial TIBS fleet consisted of, but not complete list:
Pre s989 days/s989 days (2001-2003)
TIB426M
TIB517J
TIB519D
TIB592R
TIB597C
TIB633G
TIB966X
TIB988H (transferred out soon)Post s989 days/SMRT days (2003-2005):
TIB432U (short period)
TIB475X (short period)
TIB516L
TIB517J
TIB519D
TIB520Z
TIB592R
TIB597C
TIB633G
TIB966XBendy Era (2005-2008):
TIB516L
TIB517J
TIB519D
TIB520Z
TIB592R
TIB597C
TIB633G
TIB966X (left soon after)
TIB863J (previously s176)
TIB869T (previously s176)
TIB1162S (previously SP)
TIB1224Y (previously SP/188)WAB Era (late 2008 onwards):
SMB11D
SMB12B
SMB13Z
SMB14X
SMB15T
SMB16R
SMB17M
SMB18K
SMB66X
Anytime, WAB for only 7A/P shift and 1 S1 shift.
TIB863J
TIB869T
TIB1162S
TIB1224YWhy I know so much about s189? Living with a service for 11 years is no simple business. Some old and senior folks here will have the same feeling...
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Originally posted by TIB1224Y:
The Mark Threes went over to s170 and the later s160. Several s189 VO2X (eg. 7256) went to s93 and some over to SL.
The 160 got their perm MK3 some from HGDEP.AMDEP intaked some of 170 MK2 permers last time. 125 and 186 had their permers. Whereas the rest went over JRBP/SLBP.
SBS1892L and SBS1894G were 170 permers went over to perm 333. I remembered that when SBS1892L became 333 perm, the JB-sign still never removed whereas SBS1894G did. So how about the rest?
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Yeah the population for s189 Mark Threes is really quite a small amount to divide out... I don't remember taking Mark Twos on s189, but the older fleet consisted of LAs and Mark Threes. Soon it was Mark Threes and VO2Xs, then Striders, Mark Threes and VO2Xs. The 'farewell fleet' was as such. Some SBS s189 buses which I kept tickets of were 753, 2609, 2612 and 7256.
I remember taking 1716/1719 or similar on s77. That bus did not seem to be a JB going bus though. ZF with CAC mode Mark Two climbing Toh Tuck Road is... Dots, literally.
Flashes of memory indicate the LO3Xs that served s106 so many years, until TIBS booted SBS out of this part of the West... I had loved the feeling of a LO3X going at speed down Commonwealth Ave West.
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
The 160 got their perm MK3 some from HGDEP.AMDEP intaked some of 170 MK2 permers last time. 125 and 186 had their permers. Whereas the rest went over JRBP/SLBP.
SBS1892L and SBS1894G were 170 permers went over to perm 333. I remembered that when SBS1892L became 333 perm, the JB-sign still never removed whereas SBS1894G did. So how about the rest?
Those MK2s from 170 spreaded across the island. Even bndep got a share of it, but majority of he bndep MK2s went over to slbp in the end.107 received MK2s from amdep as well, other than 125 186.
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
Those MK2s from 170 spreaded across the island. Even bndep got a share of it, but majority of he bndep MK2s went over to slbp in the end.107 received MK2s from amdep as well, other than 125 186.
BNDEP 32 got some of the NAC MK2 permers after converting back to PAC service. One of it was: SBS1711DIs it something to do with the introduction of ARBP 48?
Add-on:
SBS1753E x-fered to ARBP from AMDEP.