Originally posted by Rk 2010:I recalled from an old article that I saw in national library, that 154 was once under BBDEP. Not sure what buses it used. And services like 196, 165, 10, 30 and etc which terminated at the old Jurong Int, were under JRBP. Is that true? (have some burning questions to ask since there is a chance)
Yes, there used to be a Jurong interchange in the past. Services 10, 30, 154, 157, 165, 187 (now Tibs/SMRT), 196, 198, 199, feeders and JIS all terminate there. Tibs services 178, 852 and 951 terminate at the Jurong Interchange too. All the SBS services plying along Jurong Interchange should be based under JRBP.
When Boon Lay interchange opened together with the MRT in 1990, most to the Jurong interchange bus services were amended to terminate at Boon Lay interchange. Whereas services 10, 165 and 196 terminate at Clementi instead. Feeder 241 (not the current one) was amended to Jurong East interchange.
198's old route,Jurong Int to Sims Place was replaced by 64 which was then operating from Macpherson Estate to Mei Chin Road. May want to know the full story.
Originally posted by Rk 2010:198's old route,Jurong Int to Sims Place was replaced by 64 which was then operating from Macpherson Estate to Mei Chin Road. May want to know the full story.
198 should be hgdep control, last time had merc 0305 double decks. Later cutback to bt merah, became bbdep control.
64 used to be from macpherson estate, amended to sims ave. Full hgdep all the while.
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
Yeah, I wanna ask too, jrbp location is former Jurong Interchange or together?
the one at Teban Garden is call Jurong Depot right? JRBP is just beside the old Jurong Interchange. I tot it is still there after Jurong Interchange move?
Originally posted by lemon1974:the one at Teban Garden is call Jurong Depot right? JRBP is just beside the old Jurong Interchange. I tot it is still there after Jurong Interchange move?
Teban Garden Terminal is at Jurong Depot at Penjuru Road.
Jurong Bus Park is opposite former Tang Dynasty across AYE. jrbp stayed there after Jurong Interchange move to Boon Lay.
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Yes, there used to be a Jurong interchange in the past. Services 10, 30, 154, 157, 165, 187 (now Tibs/SMRT), 196, 198, 199, feeders and JIS all terminate there. Tibs services 178, 852 and 951 terminate at the Jurong Interchange too. All the SBS services plying along Jurong Interchange should be based under JRBP.When Boon Lay interchange opened together with the MRT in 1990, most to the Jurong interchange bus services were amended to terminate at Boon Lay interchange. Whereas services 10, 165 and 196 terminate at Clementi instead. Feeder 241 (not the current one) was amended to Jurong East interchange.
In addition, service 192 also terminated at Jurong interchange. The service plied from the interchange to South Canal terminal, later merged with service 51.
Other services which operated from the interchange include 450 (to Pasir Laba Rd), 98 (to Jurong East interchange), 197 (to Lor 1 Geylang terminal before merging with service 41: Bedok - Bukit Merah).
Service 196 did went to Boon Lay interchange when it opened in July 1990. Service 196 was shortened to terminate at Buona Vista terminal in June 1992 then extended to terminate at Clementi interchange in November 1992.
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Think so. Remembered service 157 used to have Volvo MK3s when converted to PAC in 1993, together with the Leyland Alanteans. When handed over to JRBP (now SLBP), the Merc WAs replaced the Volvo MK3s and the LO2x replaced the LAs on service 157.Service 174 was once full BBDEP too and it was the 1st SBS service to be introduced with NAC Volvo MK2 WAs when new in 1998. Handed over to full JRBP in 1993 and NAC 0405s replaced the MK2s.
I took Sv 157 to my camp every day from 1993 - 1995. No MK III at all. It got SBS381-386 + some other merc... lot of LO2x during that period. 6929/6959/6985/7148/7176 etc etc...i think the BC of former 6959 still drove Sv 157 as of today... Sv 157 was alrd under JRBP that time. It was under BBDEP in the 80s if i am not wrong.
Originally posted by Rk 2010:198's old route,Jurong Int to Sims Place was replaced by 64 which was then operating from Macpherson Estate to Mei Chin Road. May want to know the full story.
Service 198 was amended to Jurong East interchange when Jurong interchange closed. Became Boon Lay - Bukit Merah in June 1992 when service 64 took over part of its route. With service 198 went over from Jurong East to Boon Lay, service 197 came over from Boon Lay to Jurong East.
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Some clementi routes like service 96 and feeders 282 284 285 used to be under JE groups with soon chow Merc OF1413s. Remembered seeing them when I was young. Service 92 (Clementi - PLA) was under BB side or HG side if I am not wrong, had perm Merc OF1417s and Albion Vikings.It was in 1990 when Clementi routes came under BB. Albion Vikings and subsequently Volvo B57s and MK2s were deployed on Clementi short haul services.
I also remembered service 105 under BB group when newly introduced in 1988 - with Albion Viking, Volvo B57 followed by Volvo MK2s. Then came under AM group in 1990 with Merc OF1417 Hawke. LAs was also introduced on service 105 until in 1992 the route was diverted to Lorong Chuan, service 105's fleets became a NAC MB0405 fleet.
105 had full Merc fleet because it was joint AMDEP/JRDEP responsibility, IIRC. Anyway, the Leyland Vikings and Volvo B57s never served on this route, but on its predecessor (95-CLE to PLAB via Holland Rd, Scotts Rd, TPY new town and 93 route to PLAB).
I remember it was around 1990-91 that the Merc fleets were being pulled from CLE and replaced by Leyland Vikings and Volvo B57s. Also interesting to note that 106 (SER-BBT) had B57s too. My impression was that 106 was full AMDEP all along.
198 was JRDEP/HGDEP before being cut short to BMR. It was full JRDEP (LO2X, Merc O405 OAC) later on, then BBDEP took control in 1993 (LA, Volvo B10M Mk III).
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Yes, there used to be a Jurong interchange in the past. Services 10, 30, 154, 157, 165, 187 (now Tibs/SMRT), 196, 198, 199, feeders and JIS all terminate there. Tibs services 178, 852 and 951 terminate at the Jurong Interchange too. All the SBS services plying along Jurong Interchange should be based under JRBP.When Boon Lay interchange opened together with the MRT in 1990, most to the Jurong interchange bus services were amended to terminate at Boon Lay interchange. Whereas services 10, 165 and 196 terminate at Clementi instead. Feeder 241 (not the current one) was amended to Jurong East interchange.
You forgot 197. It was amended to JUE along with 241 (later 331). 196 was also BNL, but was shortened to CLE in 1992 to avoid duplicating 198. 165 also terminated in BNL at one stage.
IIRC, 97 ever terminated at Jurong Port as well. When was it changed to JUE?
Originally posted by tranquilice:
In addition, service 192 also terminated at Jurong interchange. The service plied from the interchange to South Canal terminal, later merged with service 51.Other services which operated from the interchange include 450 (to Pasir Laba Rd), 98 (to Jurong East interchange), 197 (to Lor 1 Geylang terminal before merging with service 41: Bedok - Bukit Merah).
Service 196 did went to Boon Lay interchange when it opened in July 1990. Service 196 was shortened to terminate at Buona Vista terminal in June 1992 then extended to terminate at Clementi interchange in November 1992.
Adding on, there was also 184 which went to BMR via West Coast Hwy and Telok Blangah Rd. Merged with 176 (BPJ-JUE) to form the current route (BPJ-BMR). 184 had full Leyland Viking fleet.
Don't forget AMDEP lost a few routes to HGDEP as well. Examples include:
74 (AMK to Upp S'goon)
107 (SER to HGN)
132 (AMK to Hougang South)
147 (PPS to Upp S'goon)
153 (TPY to Upp S'goon)
156 (SER to SKG)
159 (AMK to SKG)
163 (Jln Kayu to SKG)
165 (AMK to HGN)
In addition, HGDEP used to control some members of BDK route group. Was Defu the new location for the old Bedok deopt, whose buses were regoed 2xxx?
Originally posted by iveco:In addition, HGDEP used to control some members of BDK route group.
Originally posted by lemon1974:I took Sv 157 to my camp every day from 1993 - 1995. No MK III at all. It got SBS381-386 + some other merc... lot of LO2x during that period. 6929/6959/6985/7148/7176 etc etc...i think the BC of former 6959 still drove Sv 157 as of today... Sv 157 was alrd under JRBP that time. It was under BBDEP in the 80s if i am not wrong.
Service 157 when converted to PAC in Feb 1993 had Volvo MK3s and OAC Merc 0405 DMs for a start. Somewhere in Oct-Nov 1993 all the Volvo MK3s from service 157 were taken out, Merc 0405 WAs were deployed. Not sure whichever depot operated the MK3s.
Originally posted by iveco:Don't forget AMDEP lost a few routes to HGDEP as well. Examples include:
74 (AMK to Upp S'goon)
107 (SER to HGN)
132 (AMK to Hougang South)
147 (PPS to Upp S'goon)
153 (TPY to Upp S'goon)
156 (SER to SKG)
159 (AMK to SKG)
163 (Jln Kayu to SKG)
165 (AMK to HGN)
In addition, HGDEP used to control some members of BDK route group. Was Defu the new location for the old Bedok deopt, whose buses were regoed 2xxx?
St Michaels route group was handed over to AMDEP from HGDEP in 1st quarter 1998. Services 74 and 165 went to HGDEP in exchange.
Add on in 2004, Serangoon route group came under HGDEP in exchange for Eunos route group that went to AMDEP/BRBP.
Service 132 was handed over to HGDEP in 1997.
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
HGDEP not only controls the several Bedok ones, but it also controls st michael's services like 21 and 131
Services 124 and 125 also. In the past Volvo MK3s were deployed as well.
When 188 was intoduced, it was under JRBP group, instead of BBDEP since BBDEP controls all of CCK services. It was mainly made up of LO2xs and Merczs. I saw SBS7120S, some LO2xs and some Merczs. SBS453C was also one of permers. After handover to TIBS, 188 became FAC, whereas SBS7120S went back to serve 335, not sure about the other redeployment of buses.
Is it not enough space for BBDEP to control 188?
Originally posted by SBS9364S:Anyway, was TPDEP located at the current venue of BRBP?
28 was downgraded to PAC after extending to Toa Payoh Int and received the LO2xs from 152 which was withdrawn and merged with old 28 (Tam to Bedok (Loop)). So, where were the perm 152 Merczs?
TPDEP is BRAM. no change. only the HQ buildings were changed.
Svc 152 has the following mercs (in its lifetime)
92 94 97 100 102 104 105 170 178 263--272 355 390 401 481
I really dun see the merc following onto svc 28 as a whole.
More so i reckon BNDEP then had enough buses to release those above mercs for other uses.
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Think so. Remembered service 157 used to have Volvo MK3s when converted to PAC in 1993, together with the Leyland Alanteans. When handed over to JRBP (now SLBP), the Merc WAs replaced the Volvo MK3s and the LO2x replaced the LAs on service 157.Service 174 was once full BBDEP too and it was the 1st SBS service to be introduced with NAC Volvo MK2 WAs when new in 1998. Handed over to full JRBP in 1993 and NAC 0405s replaced the MK2s.
Svc 174 was under JRDEP at first. then later trasnferred over to BBDEP. Jurong road led to BBDEp so that made sense. it is here that the mark 2s debutted on svc 174. perhaps the sole purpose of trasnferring 174 to BBDEp in 1986?was to debut the mark 2s on a Orchard rd svc. who knows?
hard evidence shows Volvo b57 of BBDEp did run on 174
3486 3512
1528 1581 1583 1603 1625--1628 1696 were more or less perm on 174 in the 1980s days.
ZYX
Originally posted by Rk 2010:I recalled from an old article that I saw in national library, that 154 was once under BBDEP. Not sure what buses it used. And services like 196, 165, 10, 30 and etc which terminated at the old Jurong Int, were under JRBP. Is that true? (have some burning questions to ask since there is a chance)
196 10 30 were all JRDEP buses. These were the services that reicived O305 brand new to jurong. the O 305 were even new new on feeders like 240 and 334
As for 165 things are fuzzy here.
165 started out as a AMK to Clementi service. it ran more or less along 166 route. 9no info here)
later it was amended to ply the lornie rd sector and skip town altogether provinging a cross island fast link, which was the trend of the bus changes in late 1970s say 1978. by then 165 was allowed to recive new new atleantans all from AMK side.
it was only in the mid 80s then 165 was extended to jurong. (not sure on this even). at this time i have no info on 165.
what i do have is lots of AMKDEP bsues on 165. suggesting 165 was full AMK control all the way.
Originally posted by SBS8258Y:
198 should be hgdep control, last time had merc 0305 double decks. Later cutback to bt merah, became bbdep control.64 used to be from macpherson estate, amended to sims ave. Full hgdep all the while.
hougang depot is a fairly new depot. roughly opened in 1988. as such ur answer is falwed.
198 when brand new was JRDEP based. lots of new new o305 of 198 were 24xx also suggesting it had BNDEP (opened in 1981) roots.
198 later became Jurong with the LO2x and with O305s from HGDEP, the other o305 zao to 197 (i think)
when 198 got sliced at mei chin in early 1990, the Lo2x remained on 198, suggesting 198 became full jurong.
it was only in more recent times when SLBP opened in 1995 then 198 zao to BBDEP. For reasons unknown , but service)_239 suggested off service running time is short. I once had a BC of 198 tell me about "the short cut from BBDEp to Boon lay" int , that i din understood at all..hahah
64 when brand new started from Ulu pandan to macpherson, suggesting it was of Hock lee origin.
it was later invovled in a big mess of amendmentws involving 190, 191 14 and 32.
(pls refer to the 1969 bus guide in wiki pls)
this was when 64 was under the PJRBP1529 1592 were ran on 64
Much later 64 as u know loop at mei Chin. and ALDEP was still around
i spotted 1155 1195 1395 1400 on 64.
because 64 ended at Macpherson Est - it was probably close to BNDEP. as such many BNDEP buses found its way onto 64. but all these chnaged when HGDEP opened
and u know the rest of the story.
Originally posted by tranquilice:
Service 198 was amended to Jurong East interchange when Jurong interchange closed. Became Boon Lay - Bukit Merah in June 1992 when service 64 took over part of its route. With service 198 went over from Jurong East to Boon Lay, service 197 came over from Boon Lay to Jurong East.
well that explains why 198 still is BBDEP and 197 why its still is SLBP (ex JRDEP)
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Services 124 and 125 also. In the past Volvo MK3s were deployed as well.
There is an interesting story here to inform also.
then 125 terminated at Shenton Way along with svc 400. it was odd then. Svc 400 was a full BRAM svc So for meal breaks relief, svc 125 was chosen as the meal break crossovers. So we saw HGDEP amrk 3s jump from 125 do svc 400. this was in 1994 or so.
after so many many years, svc 125 was amended and became some Sims place and st mikes svc serving kallng ind park, totally losing its orginal service chracter and route. But the 125.400 crossover stays on till today.
ZYX
The old 72 route(Serangoon - Tanjong rhu) and the old 158 route(Toa Payoh - Bedok) did have some changes along the way. What exactly happened??
btw when SLBP introduced??
so now the bus park opposite the tang dynasty is officially unused??