have notcied this topic trend in redeployments. So might as well pull it out and discuss further on this interesting topic of..
Past depot arrnagements and deployment.
the main idea hoere is to clear up many doubts of past depot deployments.
the Jurong region and Bt Batok Depot paradox
Service 238 has already explained on this topic. here i will give examples to support the paradox.
"Jurong side buses use bus fleets from bt batok Depot in the 1980s because of lesser running back to depot distance and times"
Svcs 154 and 157 were then partly under BBDEP. When the leyland atleantans were brand new, they were posted to 154 and 157 under BBDEP.
Today> 198 is an exmaple of this "paradox".
So Clementi route group was under jrdep Penjuru?
All along I thought jrdep controlled the JE route group services.
Able to share which of the western depot controlled which services in the 90s?
Depots of the 1970s and 1980s.
Here i will trace the orgins of Bt batok depot.
In the 1970s after they have formed the three bus companies UBC (Northern region region), ABS ( Eastern region) , ABC (including Hock lee) Western region, bus depots used were mianly from these 3 chiense bus co.
Also to note the depot were from the past bus company themselves who were united into the 3 companies
for example hock :Lee's Alexandra depot was big so ABC used it to "depot the buses".
in 1978 SBS was formed and the three ABC ABS and UBC united into the SBS.
Alexandra Depot survived on. SBS then named bus fleets according to depots. 1xxx in particular was assigned to Alexandra Depot premises buses. most were Albions.
In 1983 or so Alexandra depot closed down and a new depot was ready. This was Bt batok Depot. its extra prkaing space counterpart AYBP was ready in 1989.
"For historical reasons, svc 14 is with AYBP:" _Service_238
let me explain 14 was then under ABC. While during ABC time , the 14 is called 190. ABC uses the Hock lee depot . This is ALDEP. ALDEP. much later was absolved into BBDEP. however in 1989 when AYBP was opened, svc 14 still served Bt merah <> Somapah Int. (maybe moved to some other Bedok place). being of less running times, the 14 was shifted to AYBP. As such till today 14 stays under AYBP.
One cna similairly figure out the orgins of other bus services and depots.
Some key facts to consider
- ABC UBC ABS service? if service was formed in 1969 consider UBC northern ABC eastern ABS western.
- Bus fleets from the chiense companies majority of them stayed within their regions. i do not say that a few were scattered around
- Depot Bus rego system
_ new depots that tok over from the ex chiense bus companies depots in 1980s or late 70s.
Hypotehsis: Svc 145 will never be never be with AYBP.
Proof: Svc 145 is a evolved from of a orginal gen svc 145. then 145 (Circa 1969) was under UBC. it is noteowrthy much later after UBC days were over, that most TPY svcs were under TPDEP then. This happens to be todays BRAM. having been ex UBC it was good and easy to keep the bus under a "UBC depot like TPY". by 1970s.
As such 145 survived thru the years under TPDEP or BRAM. Till today 145 retains its UBC roots under BRAM. 145 was never a ABC svc.
just a possibly new way of looking at depot deployment history.
ZYX
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:So Clementi route group was under jrdep Penjuru?
All along I thought jrdep controlled the JE route group services.
Able to share which of the western depot controlled which services in the 90s?
yes your theory is likely correct. JRDEP the Penjurur bus park hereby temp known as PJRBP took care of Clementi. when it was a wee brand new town. Svc 78 and 176 recived new new OF1417s under PJRBP. of coruse PJRBP was just a bus aprk, if bus b.d go JRDEP pls.
again BBDEP was nearest to jurong East hecne a good control then.
the PJRDEP pradox also incldues the fact that West Coast rd was the only road leading straight to the depot from Clementi Rd/ pasir panjang ter. hence 33 also PJRBP.
by the 1990s things pretty much are the same with BBDEp controlling bits of Jurong East
Boon lay was being built and jRDEp handles it.
kent ridge still under PJRBP
After Soon lee depot oepned, PJRDEP services were reallocated as the new depot was no longer enar to the respective start terminals.
ZYX
So how about VO2x perm on 10 before the NEL rationsation?
Mostly controlled by BNDEP or BBDEP?
Anyway, was TPDEP located at the current venue of BRBP?
28 was downgraded to PAC after extending to Toa Payoh Int and received the LO2xs from 152 which was withdrawn and merged with old 28 (Tam to Bedok (Loop)). So, where were the perm 152 Merczs?
Originally posted by ZYX2005:yes your theory is likely correct. JRDEP the Penjurur bus park hereby temp known as PJRBP took care of Clementi. when it was a wee brand new town. Svc 78 and 176 recived new new OF1417s under PJRBP. of coruse PJRBP was just a bus aprk, if bus b.d go JRDEP pls.
again BBDEP was nearest to jurong East hecne a good control then.
the PJRDEP pradox also incldues the fact that West Coast rd was the only road leading straight to the depot from Clementi Rd/ pasir panjang ter. hence 33 also PJRBP.
by the 1990s things pretty much are the same with BBDEp controlling bits of Jurong East
Boon lay was being built and jRDEp handles it.
kent ridge still under PJRBP
After Soon lee depot oepned, PJRDEP services were reallocated as the new depot was no longer enar to the respective start terminals.
ZYX
I thought Boon Lay was under jrbp, opposite tang dynasty?
Originally posted by SBS9364S:Anyway, was TPDEP located at the current venue of BRBP?
28 was downgraded to PAC after extending to Toa Payoh Int and received the LO2xs from 152 which was withdrawn and merged with old 28 (Tam to Bedok (Loop)). So, where were the perm 152 Merczs?
tpdep is located at current brbp.
The extended 28 inherit the fleet of the old 28 and 152.
Originally posted by SBS9364S:So how about VO2x perm on 10 before the NEL rationsation?
Mostly controlled by BNDEP or BBDEP?
Both depots deployed VO2x on 10.
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
tpdep is located at current brbp.The extended 28 inherit the fleet of the old 28 and 152.
When did 28 convert back to FAC?
By the way, did CRB NAC (From BRBP side) perm 28 before after all LO2xs were deregistered?
Originally posted by SBS9364S:
When did 28 convert back to FAC?By the way, did CRB NAC (From BRBP side) perm 28 before after all LO2xs were deregistered?
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
so far, i dun recall any NAC crbs did 28 after the removal of NAC LO2xes from 28. When the newly purchased VSOs enter service 28 in 2003, it became a FAC service..
SBS3674L was my only impression of n113 on 152 to 28.
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
so far, i dun recall any NAC crbs did 28 after the removal of NAC LO2xes from 28. When the newly purchased VSOs enter service 28 in 2003, it became a FAC service..
Yea... Still rmb 9801Y, 9802U, 9804P, 9805L, 9807G did svc 28 on first day and 9802U is the sole survivor. Somemore still haven't change any deployment yet as of now.
The very last N113CRB on 28 was SBS3666K for about 3 days. Took it on two of the days.
Originally posted by ZYX2005:Hypotehsis: Svc 145 will never be never be with AYBP.
Proof: Svc 145 is a evolved from of a orginal gen svc 145. then 145 (Circa 1969) was under UBC. it is noteowrthy much later after UBC days were over, that most TPY svcs were under TPDEP then. This happens to be todays BRAM. having been ex UBC it was good and easy to keep the bus under a "UBC depot like TPY". by 1970s.As such 145 survived thru the years under TPDEP or BRAM. Till today 145 retains its UBC roots under BRAM. 145 was never a ABC svc.
just a possibly new way of looking at depot deployment history.
ZYX
Originally posted by SBS8033D:Yea... Still rmb 9801Y, 9802U, 9804P, 9805L, 9807G did svc 28 on first day and 9802U is the sole survivor. Somemore still haven't change any deployment yet as of now.
The very last N113CRB on 28 was SBS3666K for about 3 days. Took it on two of the days.
SBS9801Y - SBS9807G were new new on 28.
9806J went to 70, then 25, then BN 69 in late 2004. Return to amdep in exchange for 9820S on 25 when under 14.
9801Y, 9803S, 9804P, 9805L also went to BN in late 2004. 9803S - 9805L swop for 9378C, 9432D and 9587R from BN 9 directly. 9801Y stays on 81 till now. Some returned to amdep after he withdrawal of CityBuzz.
9807G went to BN in early 2005 and permed BN 12. Return to amdep when B9s were introduced.
9802U longest surviving B10TL on 28, and 9804P is back on 28 after few years outside.
I would like to ask about the past deployments of service 174 when it was still operating from New Bridge Road to NTI and 143 when it was operating from TPY to Teban Gardens is the past. And is it true that 174 was once under BBDEP??
Originally posted by ZYX2005:the Jurong region and Bt Batok Depot paradox
Service 238 has already explained on this topic. here i will give examples to support the paradox."Jurong side buses use bus fleets from bt batok Depot in the 1980s because of lesser running back to depot distance and times"
Svcs 154 and 157 were then partly under BBDEP. When the leyland atleantans were brand new, they were posted to 154 and 157 under BBDEP.Today> 198 is an exmaple of this "paradox".
Think so. Remembered service 157 used to have Volvo MK3s when converted to PAC in 1993, together with the Leyland Alanteans. When handed over to JRBP (now SLBP), the Merc WAs replaced the Volvo MK3s and the LO2x replaced the LAs on service 157.
Service 174 was once full BBDEP too and it was the 1st SBS service to be introduced with NAC Volvo MK2 WAs when new in 1998. Handed over to full JRBP in 1993 and NAC 0405s replaced the MK2s.
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
tpdep is located at current brbp.The extended 28 inherit the fleet of the old 28 and 152.
In the past service 28 was full BNDEP whereas 152 was full BRBP with NAC LO2x. The merged service 28 is dual BNDEP and BRBP inclusive NAC LO2x, hence service 28 became a PAC service.
It was only in 2003 when service 28 back to FAC again after LO2x were phased out.
Originally posted by SBS9364S:
When did 28 convert back to FAC?By the way, did CRB NAC (From BRBP side) perm 28 before after all LO2xs were deregistered?
Cameo yes, perm not sure.
Originally posted by Rk 2010:I would like to ask about the past deployments of service 174 when it was still operating from New Bridge Road to NTI and 143 when it was operating from TPY to Teban Gardens is the past. And is it true that 174 was once under BBDEP??
I think the Mark2s on 174 were under bbdep.
143 was majority amdep until North-west handovers. The original LOs before the B9s came in 9000S, 9010M - 9019P, 9187L, 9196K etc were moved over from bram. 9000S and 9012H moved over only when B10TLs perm 143 in 2007.
9819Y perm brbp 143 from bndep 31, 9012H moved over to slbp 143 to replace 9017U which then came over to amdep as SP. In this round, amdep got extra one bus.
9000S was replaced by 9830M from brbp 31 which received 9120D from arbp 10.
9000S went over to slbp slightly earlier than 9012H. That was when brbp started to add B10TLs to 143 in that period of time.
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:So Clementi route group was under jrdep Penjuru?
All along I thought jrdep controlled the JE route group services.
Able to share which of the western depot controlled which services in the 90s?
Some clementi routes like service 96 and feeders 282 284 285 used to be under JE groups with soon chow Merc OF1413s. Remembered seeing them when I was young. Service 92 (Clementi - PLA) was under BB side or HG side if I am not wrong, had perm Merc OF1417s and Albion Vikings.
It was in 1990 when Clementi routes came under BB. Albion Vikings and subsequently Volvo B57s and MK2s were deployed on Clementi short haul services.
I also remembered service 105 under BB group when newly introduced in 1988 - with Albion Viking, Volvo B57 followed by Volvo MK2s. Then came under AM group in 1990 with Merc OF1417 Hawke. LAs was also introduced on service 105 until in 1992 the route was diverted to Lorong Chuan, service 105's fleets became a NAC MB0405 fleet.
I recalled from an old article that I saw in national library, that 154 was once under BBDEP. Not sure what buses it used. And services like 196, 165, 10, 30 and etc which terminated at the old Jurong Int, were under JRBP. Is that true? (have some burning questions to ask since there is a chance)
Originally posted by Rk 2010:I recalled from an old article that I saw in national library, that 154 was once under BBDEP. Not sure what buses it used. And services like 196, 165, 10, 30 and etc which terminated at the old Jurong Int, were under JRBP. Is that true? (have some burning questions to ask since there is a chance)
Yeah, I wanna ask too, jrbp location is former Jurong Interchange or together?