Cars or buses - which move more people?
I REFER to Monday's letter by Mr Geoffrey Lim of the Land Transport Authority (LTA) on the benefits of bus lanes ('LTA takes care implementing bus lanes').
Mr Lim has pointed out in his numerous replies that a bus carries 80 passengers, while a car has 1.5 passengers. He used the same point in a reply to a letter last month questioning the benefits of having a bus lane along Upper Bukit Timah Road ('Special lane improves bus speeds', Nov 8).
I think we all know a bus carries more people than a car. But that does not necessarily mean buses can move more people, as Mr Lim suggested. They can, but it depends on bus frequency.
In his earlier reply, Mr Lim stated that '60 or so' buses an hour ply the 5km stretch of Upper Bukit Timah Road. This works out to 5,200 bus passengers per hour (assuming 65 buses with a full load of 80). According to my calculations, a single 5km lane can 'move' 6,389 cars an hour at the speed of 23kmh cited by Mr Lim (using an average car length of 4.5m and three body length spacing between the cars, which I believe is generous, given that the cars are moving at only 23 kmh).
At 1.5 passengers per car, this means 9,583 people per lane - 4,383 more people than by bus, or 84 per cent more. Even if we assume all 65 buses are double-deckers with an estimated full load of 120 people, the single 5km lane can 'move' 23 per cent more people by car than by bus. How then do bus lanes 'optimise overall usage of our scare road space', as LTA claims?
Mr Lim mentioned an improvement in bus speeds as one of the benefits of introducing bus lanes. An increase in bus speeds of 10 to 12 per cent is obviously nice for bus users, but without an increase in bus frequency, this has no impact at all on the number of people moved. And what about the impact of the bus lane on vehicles in the other lanes? Simple logic suggests the flow or speed of vehicles in the other lanes will suffer. Mr Lim merely states that this 'remains acceptable'.
In the case of Upper Bukit Timah Road, only '60 or so' buses use that 5km stretch of lane every hour, but road users in the other lanes have to contend with an average speed of 23 kmh, and the possibility of more ERP gantries if the speed becomes unacceptable according to LTA's definition.
How does this 'balance the needs of different groups of road users', as LTA suggests?
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Story/STIStory_313315.html
Apparently the guy is getting owned in the forum for his reply...but I'm interested to see how LTA calculates the benefits too (if they do even bother replying).
owned
he has forgotten buses has to stop at every bus stop while a car can just continue travelling along a road
I think he is taking into assumption the bus does not stop at all and the lights along the road remain green for that one hour... then that's like our expressways isn't it?
Originally posted by sinicker:what! i love going into vivo from that side.
i've only used that entrance once.
Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:Catch I Love Children Bus at the following locations this December!
13 Dec 2008 (Sat) ~ I Love Children Open House - Blk 323B Sengkang East Way
14 Dec 2008 (Sun) ~ Amazing Race @ Jurong Bird Park
20 Dec 2008 (Sat) ~ Marine Cove @ East Coast Park (Next to McDonald)
All can be found at:
http://www.ilovechildren.org.sg/
I catched it at the Sengkang one on a bus passing by! Didn't see much people there.. -.-
Originally posted by Stage:
I catched it at the Sengkang one on a bus passing by! Didn't see much people there.. -.-
i saw it while i was on MRT reaching Chinese garden towards BNL 5.39pm. it was on Boon lay way to clementi though.
Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
i saw it while i was on MRT reaching Chinese garden towards BNL 5.39pm. it was on Boon lay way to clementi though.
Means go back bbdep park.
Full-Day Bus Lane Scheme to be Extended to Three Locations
Temporary route diversion for SMRT Bus Services 77, 106, 167, 171, 190 and 700A from 25th December 2008 (1pm) to 26th December 2008 (1am)
http://www.smrt.com.sg/buses/documents/services_updates/CCIS_Christmas_2008.pdf
Originally posted by QX179R:Temporary route diversion for SMRT Bus Services 77, 106, 167, 171, 190 and 700A from 25th December 2008 (1pm) to 26th December 2008 (1am)
http://www.smrt.com.sg/buses/documents/services_updates/CCIS_Christmas_2008.pdf
if it's e same as last year
end up Orchard Rd bus stops (Except Plaza Sing) is SBS's monopoly again!!!
This has not been up anywhere yet I believe, but SBST 179 and NTU Internal Shuttle A and C will be diverted on 26 Dec 8am-1:30pm & 29 Dec 10am-1:30pm for an NTU event. A portion of Nanyang Drive (Between Hall 2 and Hall 6) will be closed.
SBST 179 will skip Hall 1, Hall 2 and Canteen 2; and will turn right to Nanyang Cres from Pioneer Road North, then enter NTU ala old SBS 199 route. (This is a very wild diversion I believe!) [Google maps visualisation]
Shuttle A will skip Hall 2; it will go up Nanyang Terr and Students' Walk before exiting onto Nanyang Drive (Canteen 2). [Google maps visualisation - look at Point B]
Shuttle C will skip Hall 2, Hall 1 and Hall 5; it will turn into Students Walk, down into Nanyang Valley before continuing on Nanyang Drive (opp Hall 4). 2 temporary bus stops will be erected at Students Walk (Hall 2 Blk 1) and Nanyang Valley (Canteen 5).
Source: from NTU Webmail Notice Boards (Official Matters)
Sv 128 & FFW svs op hrs changes for Christmas & New Year Eve
Orchard Sv diversion on on 25 Dec (Ok SBS's monopoly at Centrepoint there again! )
Extn of Op Hrs for NEL & SBS's LRT
Diversion at Esplanade & Boon Lay area for New Year Eve
Extension in Operating Hours for Bus Services on 24 December 2008 and 31 December 2008
http://www.smrt.com.sg/buses/documents/services_updates/Ext_Operating_Hour.pdf
Introduction of Bus Service 189A with effect from 5 January 2009
http://www.smrt.com.sg/buses/documents/services_updates/189A-Poster.pdf
"Mandatory Give Way to Buses" scheme takes effect at 26 bus stops
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/397654/1/.html
Extension of last bus timing for Svc 185, wef 29 Dec 08 (Mon)
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/20081229_Extension%20of%20Last%20Bus%20Timing_Svc%20185.pdf
Temporary Route Diversion at Nanyang Drive due to Road Renaming Ceremony
Originally posted by sbst275:Sv 128 & FFW svs op hrs changes for Christmas & New Year Eve
Orchard Sv diversion on on 25 Dec (Ok SBS's monopoly at Centrepoint there again! )
Extn of Op Hrs for NEL & SBS's LRT
Diversion at Esplanade & Boon Lay area for New Year Eve
no extension of operation of feeders services for SBST? no special feeder services for SBST as well. But their press release seem to imply that buses services operation are also being extended.
Originally posted by QX179R:Extension of last bus timing for Svc 185, wef 29 Dec 08 (Mon)
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/download/20081229_Extension%20of%20Last%20Bus%20Timing_Svc%20185.pdf
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Extension of operating hours for trains and bus services on Christmas eve and New Year's eve
http://www.smrt.com.sg/Upload/2008122414154985092.pdf
Temporary route diversion at Temasek Avenue for SMRT Bus Services from 31 December 2008 (11:30pm) to 1 January 2009 (2am)
http://www.smrt.com.sg/buses/documents/services_updates/Marina_Countdown_2008_2009.pdf
Old Airport Rd and Dunman Rd between Cassia Link and Guillemard Camp Rd will re-open on Monday 29 Dec 2008.
Services affected are 10, 16, 30, 30e, 31, 32, 33 & 401.
Posters are already put up, online press release not yet.
Originally posted by tranquilice:Old Airport Rd and Dunman Rd between Cassia Link and Guillemard Camp Rd will re-open on Monday 29 Dec 2008.
Services affected are 10, 16, 30, 30e, 31, 32, 33 & 401.
Posters are already put up, online press release not yet.
now everyday must go and spam 31.
Originally posted by SBS9888Y:now everyday must go and spam 31.
eh...??? There's so many other services other than 31 to spam..
great! save travelling time.
From what I could make out while passing by Loyang Ave, there are posters at bus stops where 89e serves regarding Fast Forward Services.
Fare increase? Can anyone else confirm?
Originally posted by supremebull:From what I could make out while passing by Loyang Ave, there are posters at bus stops where 89e serves regarding Fast Forward Services.
Fare increase? Can anyone else confirm?
Special change in timing during Christmas Eve and New Years Eve.