Sharing my photos and sketches
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ok, I get it..... but do you need the name of a good psychiatrist?
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I think you need one yourselfOriginally posted by Chin Eng:ok, I get it..... but do you need the name of a good psychiatrist?
Don't be disappointed, not anyone can be an artist. I guess my thread gave you a chance to comment on what you can never accomplish in life -
I am doing this because this has been a real lazy afternoon at work.Originally posted by Farmerseed:Please if you want to drop a post or a request and the thread starter repeatedly ignore please don't persist. It irritates.
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This few are not helping at all..and first of all i don't know what they are but most of them their photos are just - so so. Except for Chin Eng and Nomood who have not shown their own photos, or that they have nothing to show?
How can you expect anyone to learn from you when you can only take so so photos? Photos so common you see when you are at the right place at the right time with the right equipment to capture the scene.
The only one here who can inspire (not teach) me with his photos is PointBlue but trust me i will never pick up his Photoshop habit even then.
Please go start your own thread with your own photos
1. I never claimed to be a good photographer, which is why I cannot post my photos.
2. Having said that, any one knows what a good meal is, without being a good chef. Therefore, it's enough to say that your photographs are so-so at best, crappy at worst.
3. I have not given you any tips on how to take good pictures, except maybe to modify your angle a little bit.... and I do not presume to able to teach you, just sharing an opinion, which you of course has taken offence to.
4. I have, however, tried to share with you on how you can allow people to appreciate your photos a little better by reducing the contrast of your "copyright" statement (that's the intention isn't it) so that your photo will look good.
5. You don't want to do Photoshop? I can understand, but why use digital camera? Because you have more functions in your hand than, say, traditional film cameras? You can use the sepia setting? and control the speed and exposure more? and that when you scru up ten times you can get a relative passable shot? Want to be really challenged? Use a film camera....
6. Your arrogance knows no bounds. You say that even Pointblue cannot teach you, only inspire you? By looking at Pointblue's photos, I can safely conclude that he has got skills that you cannot even dream about having.
7. You just plain refuse to admit that you have lots to learn about photography. My friend, photography is about the emotion and the feel. Let me say that you have none. When I looked into Pointblue's masterpiece, I can feel the photo: the melancholy, the joy, the thrill.... sorry to say.... yours' flat! -
What is joy, what is thrill, what is melancholy? The mind relates to the 3 sentiments at different situations and is triggered at different intensity. A photo easily triggers a thrill when a person who has never been to the Grand Canyon sees one shot for the first time. For anyone who has been there and taken photos of the scene it will take more than the Grand Canton to thrill him. It may even take more than the roller coastal ride for that person.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am doing this because this has been a real lazy afternoon at work.
1. I never claimed to be a good photographer, which is why I cannot post my photos.
2. Having said that, any one knows what a good meal is, without being a good chef. Therefore, it's enough to say that your photographs are so-so at best, crappy at worst.
3. I have not given you any tips on how to take good pictures, except maybe to modify your angle a little bit.... and I do not presume to able to teach you, just sharing an opinion, which you of course has taken offence to.
4. I have, however, tried to share with you on how you can allow people to appreciate your photos a little better by reducing the contrast of your "copyright" statement (that's the intention isn't it) so that your photo will look good.
5. You don't want to do Photoshop? I can understand, but why use digital camera? Because you have more functions in your hand than, say, traditional film cameras? You can use the sepia setting? and control the speed and exposure more? and that when you scru up ten times you can get a relative passable shot? Want to be really challenged? Use a film camera....
6. Your arrogance knows no bounds. You say that even Pointblue cannot teach you, only inspire you? By looking at Pointblue's photos, I can safely conclude that he has got skills that you cannot even dream about having.
7. You just plain refuse to admit that you have lots to learn about photography. My friend, photography is about the emotion and the feel. Let me say that you have none. When I looked into Pointblue's masterpiece, I can feel the photo: the melancholy, the joy, the thrill.... sorry to say.... yours' flat!
Point blue's work has earned his respect from many but not all are keen in going his path in photography. At this point i will not comment more since its obvious that you are
COMPARING AN APPLE WITH A DURIAN...comparing a snapshot with a work of art.
Its easy to comment on thrills, melancholy and joy. Like here i will write
"Point blue's art and work involving photography's superb, amazingly captured to provoke the feeling of the vast unknown and the joy of a curiosity fulfilled within a man."
However the true level of appreciation of an individual will only be known if shows his own work and photo. How can anyone who has never tried digital photography before comment on how good the work of an art is? How unfair to compare a durian with an apple?
Film photography is classic now though it will not be replaced entired soon. The digital age has long arrived and its making its way into photography changing the way photos are taken and processed, bringing photography more affordable and closer to everyone everyday.
Accept the fact
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True.... only if you wish to maintain at the level of a snapshot shooter. That being the case, I really don't know why one would want to show off such mediocre work, and refuse to accept comments.Originally posted by Farmerseed:COMPARING AN APPLE WITH A DURIAN...comparing a snapshot with a work of art.
Perhaps it's the case of satisfying the ego? Perhaps mediocricy is an artform in itself and it is so achievable.
Of course I accept the fact.... afterall I have used at least 5 digital cameras.... from a 3.34, maybe 5 years ago, to a 8 megapixel, a year and a half ago.Originally posted by Farmerseed:Film photography is classic now though it will not be replaced entired soon. The digital age has long arrived and its making its way into photography changing the way photos are taken and processed, bringing photography more affordable and closer to everyone everyday.
Accept the fact
My point to you is: you accepted digital photography yet you reject the paraphernalias attached to it.... eg Photoshop. So strange....
...so the mystery of the day is: why bother to show these photos? Probably the only person who thinks they are good is yourself.... but I recognise and respect the freedom you have in exhibiting your materials, regardless of how mediocre they are..... keep it up.... it is a good lesson. -
Yes i cannot agree better. I will use this statement the next time with amortifiedPenguin
True.... only if you wish to maintain at the level of a snapshot shooter. That being the case, I really don't know why one would want to show off such mediocre work, and refuse to accept comments.
Perhaps it's the case of satisfying the ego? Perhaps mediocricy is an artform in itself and it is so achievable.
Pointing to ego you and Penguin have more then in excess when someone refusues to accept your comments.
I have used film and digital cameras ranging from 2 mp to 10 mp, 2 years ago.
Of course I accept the fact.... afterall I have used at least 5 digital cameras.... from a 3.34, maybe 5 years ago, to a 8 megapixel, a year and a half ago.
My point to you is: you accepted digital photography yet you reject the paraphernalias attached to it.... eg Photoshop. So strange....
See its easy for me to write these too. My point is i accepted digital photography because film is getting outdated. I rejected photoshop because i would rather sketch or paint a picture then edit a photo to remove all the imperfection.
I show these photos because i want to that's all? Its a boring afternnon at work and i was trying to get by the time until i knock off. Why would you even want to comment when you can't change a thing at all? By saying this you think you will stop me from showing my photos, one each everyday? No it wouldn't change anything. And i bet you will come to my thread everyday looking forward to my photos and adding replies hoping i will stop posting them. No you don't know what is respect and how to bring out or sell an idea.
...so the mystery of the day is: why bother to show these photos? Probably the only person who thinks they are good is yourself.... but I recognise and respect the freedom you have in exhibiting your materials, regardless of how mediocre they are..... keep it up.... it is a good lesson.
Please at least respect yourself by not making a fool of yourself telling a novice how to be a professional when you are a drop out -
you are sooo funny....
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Loss for words? You are even funnier see you keep coming backOriginally posted by Chin Eng:you are sooo funny.... -
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am I still a drop out?Originally posted by Farmerseed:Please at least respect yourself by not making a fool of yourself telling a novice how to be a professional when you are a drop out -
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tell that to Mr Russel Wong.Originally posted by Farmerseed:film is getting outdated -
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That guy's crazyOriginally posted by amortifiedpenguin:tell that to Mr Russel Wong.
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To all who contributed to this thread:
asfzhao,
Thanks, you helped me realised that one do not really need a DSLR to take great pictures that are within the PnS's capabilities.
Pointblue,
I like your photoshop skills. Comments really appreciated since you are into Art (photography) and i brushed it (sketching) for 8 years, and when liked minds comunicate, we understands each other because we have been there.
As for the others who actively contributed,
Thanks for showing your great travel, voyeurish and medicre photos, many people who travels can take photos like that and when i am bored with plenty of time to spare i can do the same, better if i have an expensive camera.
To Moderators:
I realised that opinions given by the return posters here are mostly not constructive and is not improving my photography skills and techniques. I will seek more knowledge through the internet and alternate sources. I will not be posting anymore photos in this thread i created and the moderators are free to lock or close this thread. -
You also need either: lots of money or a travelling job.Originally posted by Farmerseed:As for the others who actively contributed,
Thanks for showing your great travel, voyeurish and medicre photos, many people who travels can take photos like that and when i am bored with plenty of time to spare i can do the same, better if i have an expensive camera.
And as much as I agree that good photographs do not need to come from good cameras.... having a better camera helps - better features, better lenses...
Personally, and no offence intended.... a little more humility and politeness will help too.Originally posted by Farmerseed:To Moderators:
I realised that opinions given by the return posters here are mostly not constructive and is not improving my photography skills and techniques. I will seek more knowledge through the internet and alternate sources. I will not be posting anymore photos in this thread i created and the moderators are free to lock or close this thread.
Take care.... and hope your search will bring you more wealth of knowledge and skill.
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Originally posted by Farmerseed:
As for the others who actively contributed,
Thanks for showing your great travel, voyeurish and medicre photos, many people who travels can take photos like that and when i am bored with plenty of time to spare i can do the same, better if i have an expensive camera.
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You also need either: lots of money or a travelling job.
And as much as I agree that good photographs do not need to come from good cameras.... having a better camera helps - better features, better lenses...
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Originally posted by Farmerseed:
To Moderators:
I realised that opinions given by the return posters here are mostly not constructive and is not improving my photography skills and techniques. I will seek more knowledge through the internet and alternate sources. I will not be posting anymore photos in this thread i created and the moderators are free to lock or close this thread.
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Personally, and no offence intended.... a little more humility and politeness will help too.
Take care.... and hope your search will bring you more wealth of knowledge and skill.
I need to thank you for at least one thing: goading me into displaying my crappy shots for all to see...
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Once again you still don't get it.
You don't need a travelling job and lots of money to buy a good camera and find good locations for your photo shoot. Ecxentrique's sunrise pics have proven that.
Yes and i am going to humiliate you more here since you even suggest to Haoz30 on using selective focusing with a fast moving subject from a PnS digicam. Do you even know how to operate a digicam properly? All your photos were shot on subjects that are already stuning and colorful, bright with contrast set in the night or the dark. Worse you even use words to explain to everyone what you were trying to show, and use words to cover your mistakes. What makes you think you can even comment to my above posts? Search? DO i need to search? I need only 2 months of shooting on my own at leisure pace to figure out what i want starting from scratch, while you have been shooting voyeurish pics for years and don't realize that it has been so.
Seriously you should post in another forum named "tour". Humbly i know it costs money to run a website of your own to post your tour photos but i guess you have no more left to spare
If you need money mayb i and some of my friends can help.
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Thanks! Although my photoshop isn't my main intention of taking photos. Truth be told, there's actually very little photoshopping done to my photos other than contrast and sharpening, which most photographers (pro or not) out there does anyway.Originally posted by Farmerseed:To all who contributed to this thread:
Pointblue,
I like your photoshop skills. Comments really appreciated since you are into Art (photography) and i brushed it (sketching) for 8 years, and when liked minds comunicate, we understands each other because we have been there.
Don't be too skeptical of photoshop as a 'cheater's tool'. Most people are actually put off because they don't know how to use it. For me, photoshop has its ethical limits, so usually the only things I adjust is colour and contrast based editing. These aren't considered manipulation.
Like I said, photoshop is a difficult tool to use, but like all things in photography, tools hardly matter. It is just the person behind the viewfinder that truly makes a photograph sparkle. -
You know, you seriously have anger management issues.
Well, go back there and read Pointblue's comments... I have learnt something from those comments.Originally posted by Farmerseed:Once again you still don't get it.
You don't need a travelling job and lots of money to buy a good camera and find good locations for your photo shoot. Ecxentrique's sunrise pics have proven that.
If you'd read my comment to haoz... I said I DON'T KNOW what camera he is using. Unless hoaz disagrees with me, and tells me why, then I really don't see why you are so upset.Originally posted by Farmerseed:Yes and i am going to humiliate you more here since you even suggest to Haoz30 on using selective focusing with a fast moving subject from a PnS digicam. Do you even know how to operate a digicam properly? All your photos were shot on subjects that are already stuning and colorful, bright with contrast set in the night or the dark. Worse you even use words to explain to everyone what you were trying to show, and use words to cover your mistakes. What makes you think you can even comment to my above posts? Search? DO i need to search? I need only 2 months of shooting on my own at leisure pace to figure out what i want starting from scratch, while you have been shooting voyeurish pics for years and don't realize that it has been so.
My comments are on my own photos.... my perogative! You don't like it... that's too bad. Go ahead and humiliate me all you want.... think I really care. By back up one para... I have already said that I don't know what hoaz using... so apparently you didn't read my comment.
Actually I am not the only one that likes to use comments.... so I guess I am not so unique after all.... even joho uses comments.... you think he's covering his mistakes too.... well, maybe he is not, and I probably am....
You use the word "voyeurish" because some one used it..... in true definition, there is really nothing voyeurish about them, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Unless the mod tells me I cannot post my stuff here, I have every right to do this. Why are you attempting to chase me away? So are you NOW SAYING that I have no right to post my stuff. Sure, get a couple of names and petition, and I will go away.Originally posted by Farmerseed:Seriously you should post in another forum named "tour". Humbly i know it costs money to run a website of your own to post your tour photos but i guess you have no more left to spare
If you need money mayb i and some of my friends can help.
And you keep coming back and posting on my thread? Did you missed my photos
Why do i visit your forum? Maybe I DO miss your photos... as you'd said, they are better than mine, and maybe I can learn a thing or two.... but it's a forum and anyone can come and go as they please. But since you have asked that this thread be closed.... well... I guess I have learn from someone else.
I am not here to challenge you.... as I'd said in my reply to you PM.... if you say you are good... then you probably are. So that's that.
What is really puzzling is: WHY ARE YOU SO AGITATED? I have already admitted that you are better than me and I am not here to challenge you.... Do my photos irritate you so much? I didn't know they have so power over another person. -
If I am allowed to further comment.... touching up a photo is not only limited to digital photos.... most portrait photographers does that anyway, using paint.Originally posted by PointBlue:Thanks! Although my photoshop isn't my main intention of taking photos. Truth be told, there's actually very little photoshopping done to my photos other than contrast and sharpening, which most photographers (pro or not) out there does anyway.
Don't be too skeptical of photoshop as a 'cheater's tool'. Most people are actually put off because they don't know how to use it. For me, photoshop has its ethical limits, so usually the only things I adjust is colour and contrast based editing. These aren't considered manipulation.
Like I said, photoshop is a difficult tool to use, but like all things in photography, tools hardly matter. It is just the person behind the viewfinder that truly makes a photograph sparkle.
Plus... dodging and burning in Photoshop is directly taken from analog techniques.
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You know, you seriously have anger management issues.
If you'd read my comment to haoz... I said I DON'T KNOW what camera he is using. Unless hoaz disagrees with me, and tells me why, then I really don't see why you are so upset.
My comments are on my own photos.... my perogative! You don't like it... that's too bad. Go ahead and humiliate me all you want.... think I really care. By back up one para... I have already said that I don't know what hoaz using... so apparently you didn't read my comment.
Actually I am not the only one that likes to use comments.... so I guess I am not so unique after all.... even joho uses comments.... you think he's covering his mistakes too.... well, maybe he is not, and I probably am....
You use the word "voyeurish" because some one used it..... in true definition, there is really nothing voyeurish about them, but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Originally posted by Farmerseed:
Seriously you should post in another forum named "tour". Humbly i know it costs money to run a website of your own to post your tour photos but i guess you have no more left to spare
If you need money mayb i and some of my friends can help.
And you keep coming back and posting on my thread? Did you missed my photos
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Unless the mod tells me I cannot post my stuff here, I have every right to do this. Why are you attempting to chase me away? So are you NOW SAYING that I have no right to post my stuff. Sure, get a couple of names and petition, and I will go away.
I am not here to challenge you.... as I'd said in my reply to you PM.... if you say you are good... then you probably are. So that's that.
What is really puzzling is: WHY ARE YOU SO AGITATED? I have already admitted that you are better than me and I am not here to challenge you.... Do my photos irritate you so much? I didn't know they have so my power over another person.
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Its very obvious that Haoz30 was using a Canon T60 as he quoted in his very trist poost. You do not need to check the photo's properties tab. Its a very same 'don't care' attitude you have shown with my thread when i alreay knew how to take photos at different angles.
If you are still so self-centred and indulge in your own photos not wanting to accept comments on what they really are you can never improve. And worse you have wasted years persuing something that was never in your grasp. I read your comments and i feel they arre a whole lot of craps!
Joho's phots are to my liking, but yours don't so it makes writing a cover up for your mistakes and inabilities.
Your photos are voyeurish teken when you take a stroll during youur travels and when you window shop in Singapore. If they aren't voyeurish what are they? An art? My fart!
What pm? Did you send to the wrong guy? There is nothing left to discuss in this thread and i have stopped posting photos, which is the main aim of any discussion here. Further comments shall be taken by the trhead starter as an initiation to cause more flaming.
You are not even fit to mention my names and my photos, let alone question about challenging me.
Seriously i feel that you have problem coming to terms with the fact that years of photography or so you choose to call are actually nothing. You have problems with anger management too. Its the photos any rookie with only 2 months of practice can take. An any rookie can take it better than you with a digital camera of a lower grade of specification than yours.
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aiyah.... no end lah...
up to you lah.... you win.... you are the best photographer here. OK now?
but nothing to see liao leh.... so maybe I can stop coming back.... -
See you come back again and like a child you give childish remarks. The point (obviously you don't get it) is you are not someone fit to tell me what is photography, not you can live in your own little wonderland that i was trying 'to be the best photographer in this world'. If you have a son and your son learn from your attitude, then gone we will have an endless world of ignorant people like yourself.Originally posted by Chin Eng:aiyah.... no end lah...
up to you lah.... you win.... you are the best photographer here. OK now?
but nothing to see liao leh.... so maybe I can stop coming back....
And i can predict you coming back again for more when i alredy stated there is nothing in this thread to discuss about now, save from your refusal to accept that you have wasted years taking voyeurish photos and showing the world your tour photo album collections. -
hmm... what so childish about those remarks. Other than making one comment, I have not said anything else about your photos.Originally posted by Farmerseed:See you come back again and like a child you give childish remarks. The point (obviously you don't get it) is you are not someone fit to tell me what is photography, not you can live in your own little wonderland that i was trying 'to be the best photographer in this world'. If you have a son and your son learn from your attitude, then gone we will have an endless world of ignorant people like yourself.
And i can predict you coming back again for more when i alredy stated there is nothing in this thread to discuss about now, save from your refusal to accept that you have wasted years taking voyeurish photos and showing the world your tour photo album collections.
my years are my own to waste.... my time is my own.... and if I have wasted them, it's my business.
if my photos are voyeurish in nature... so be it.... doesn't matter.
the ignorance of myself and my son is also our business...
and best of all, they are for me to show, and if they are an embarrasement, it's also my own problem.... plus, if they are really bad... I believe all the experts here will tell me.
nobody is talking about challenge.... only you have that in your own mind....
... and as I've said and admitted, you are the better photographer and I have already reached a plateau and have already wasted all my years learning nothing. Even if you are willing to teach me, I am not capable of learning. I humbly accept defeat in your hands and am truly humbled by your masterwork.... all from my heart.
and by the way... I came back just to establish the last paragraph above...