Asia-Pacific on the brink of WAR?!

• Army 21

  16 Sep 12, 06:20

  "China will not shy away if Japan chooses to resort to its military. As friction escalates, it is more likely for Japan to retreat in the face of unreliable US security assurances and China's strengthened strategic combat capabilities," it said.
  
  "For China, triumphing will cement cohesion and public confidence in the country. We cannot back off and we must win."
  
  The daily said six Chinese surveillance ships carried out a patrol mission in waters around the Diaoyu islands Friday.
  
  "The move marks China's disdain for Tokyo's so-called 'control' over the islands," it said.
  
  The disputed islands in the East China Sea, also claimed by Taiwan, lie on a vital shipping route and are surrounded by large hydrocarbon deposits beneath them.
  
  Japan says it has controlled the islands since 1895 until its surrender at the end of World War II.
  
  

  The islands were controlled by the US from 1945 to 1972 and subsequently returned to Japan's control. China claims the islands' discovery and control since the 14th century.
  
  Tokyo says its rivals only became vocal over the issue in the 1970s upon the discovery of valuable minerals.
  
  The Global Times article said that China's maritime enforcement will serve as a strong deterrent against Japanese rightwing activists who seek to land on the islands.
  
  "The situation would further change if China seized Japanese nationals who illegally enter China's sovereign waters," it added.
  
  In a related incident, thousands of protesters rallied at the Japanese embassy in Beijing, RIA Novosti reported.
  
  A sea of protesters wielding Chinese flags broke through a ring of police officers at the embassy and hurled eggs, plastic bottles and other debris at the building, the report said.
  
  Protests against Tokyo's move have continued all week at various locations, including at Japanese missions, car dealerships and restaurants.

• Army 21

  16 Sep 12, 06:25

  Originally posted by Simplemindsg:

  There was a clash between China & Vietnamese Naval forces at the Spratley Islands in 1988....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2ZrFphSmc

  Perhaps a simple analysis (refer to link above) shows that China bullies Vietnam in 1988 clash at the sea. The Vietnameses has a very weak naval forces at that time and the Chineses forces threw all their large weapons at the Vietnamese troops who was stationed on the waist hight reef.

  I guess China is smart. If the opposing force is much stronger than their's, they would not dare to try something similar to the 1988. Loosing to Jp sure to make them "loose-face".

  Any body has any historical reference on the China-Vietnam Sea Clash to add? ^o^

  the sprately islands is claimed by many nations in region due to oil,gas  etc below them.greed is human nature be it viets,chinese,phillippino ,japs etc.

   

  they are imperfect as they are as humans who err.

   

  however for the diaoyu islands,it actually has been noted from ming dynasty times that it was chinese becasuse chinese set foot there as it was next to china.the japs were only there in 1895.so the japs somehow took over islands that were not theirs originally.that is called invasion in reality.

   

  and since U.N. current law states that occupation of any territory is legal after 50 years.the usa handed back those island after ww2 to japs in 1972.so 1972+50 yr or in the year 2022 would make the island legally belonging to japan even if its 2km from china  if no one contested for the islands rich in minerals.

   

  there will be a war now or before year 2022.

• Summer hill

  16 Sep 12, 09:03

  Originally posted by Army 21:

  think a war could happen.think oil was said to exist there in diaoyu islands and besides island is part of china from imperial times which meant they were first ones to set foot on uninhabited island and it is nearer to china than japan.After a 1968 study by experts discovered that oil reserves might be found under
  the sea near the Senkaku/diaoyu Islands, Japan's ownership of the islands has been ...see wiki

   notes on imperial items with a carbon dating could be used to date how old the material was.so if first chinese man set foot there long ago it meant island is china territory as in international laws current.the japs only came in during 1890 or so.

  so its like a neighbour who comes and put his flower pots into your house door area or on your head when its really part of your space all along!

   

  a war due to this will 100% happen.

  now, i wish that someone will bomb this island so that they will have no reason to fight

• Summer hill

  16 Sep 12, 09:05

  Originally posted by Army 21:

  the sprately islands is claimed by many nations in region due to oil,gas  etc below them.greed is human nature be it viets,chinese,phillippino ,japs etc.

   

  they are imperfect as they are as humans who err.

   

  however for the diaoyu islands,it actually has been noted from ming dynasty times that it was chinese becasuse chinese set foot there as it was next to china.the japs were only there in 1895.so the japs somehow took over islands that were not theirs originally.that is called invasion in reality.

   

  and since U.N. current law states that occupation of any territory is legal after 50 years.the usa handed back those island after ww2 to japs in 1972.so 1972+50 yr or in the year 2022 would make the island legally belonging to japan even if its 2km from china  if no one contested for the islands rich in minerals.

   

  there will be a war now or before year 2022.

  
  wow, you seem to be highly confident of a war.

  was it planned? who did it? Why? Will singapore be involved?

   

  There's even a DATE for the war

• Army 21

  16 Sep 12, 10:05

  Originally posted by Summer hill:

  now, i wish that someone will bomb this island so that they will have no reason to fight

  
  its whats under the island thats valuable.u can drop an atom bomb on island n turn it into a giant hole in the sea they will still be fighting.Oil possibly in the range of a few billion dollars is below there.

• troublemaker2005

  16 Sep 12, 17:11

  Originally posted by Army 21:

  island is owned by chinese back in imperial times  1530s and is nearer to china than to japan.its ownership was only taken by a japanese family in 1800s

  since the china people were whacked until blur during ww2 by nippon kaigun and the islands are nearer to china and has been simply confiscated by japanese business man during the time of boxer wars.it will indeed be an all out war to make ado from the defeats of the past on china side.

   

  could this be the end of the world as predicted in 2012???they said something bout mongol or chinese race going to war???

   

   

  
  really cheena land so big they welcums ideas of letting their oeverpopulated incompeten people overseas as cheap labor (like in spore), they happy like siao when other countries take their overpopuated trash in to slve their overpopulation problem. similar to land. these small islands they don;t care who owns it.

   

  IT IS BECOS OF THE NATEURAL GAS RESOURCES THERE THAT THEY WANTS THE ISLAND. 

• troublemaker2005

  16 Sep 12, 17:15

  if you own the island take valid papers out and let the international court settle it.

  unless if you want to gith that fire the first shot lah - cheena so big scrae arh? off course is no evident string prove of teh island ownership lah. if not what;s stoppingtehm from firing the first shot? just like many years ago only know how to prostest and riot only. soldiers cannot fight 1

   

  thebtitle so misleading. asia pacific on the brink of war. who wants to go fight war on greed? taiwan korea also don;t bother - US laffing also. the rest of asia who cares? more destruction more businesses move out from cheena, better. if japan wants to strike, aim their missiles at beijing and highly dense industrial area. business will sure move elsewhere we see what's good for cheena anyway, invenstments or gree dof rmore nateural resources.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 08:39

  Originally posted by troublemaker2005:

  if you own the island take valid papers out and let the international court settle it.

  unless if you want to gith that fire the first shot lah - cheena so big scrae arh? off course is no evident string prove of teh island ownership lah. if not what;s stoppingtehm from firing the first shot? just like many years ago only know how to prostest and riot only. soldiers cannot fight 1

   

  thebtitle so misleading. asia pacific on the brink of war. who wants to go fight war on greed? taiwan korea also don;t bother - US laffing also. the rest of asia who cares? more destruction more businesses move out from cheena, better. if japan wants to strike, aim their missiles at beijing and highly dense industrial area. business will sure move elsewhere we see what's good for cheena anyway, invenstments or gree dof rmore nateural resources.

  
  actually taiwan claims it as their island too but they are too afraid to wage war with 2 superpowers.taiwan sent people pver there to island and got arrested by japan.

  copied from internet below:

   

  Xinhua's editorial introduced another element into the dispute between the two  countries. In other boundary disputes pitting China against other Southeast Asian countries, China relies on historic claims to the South China Sea.

  In its relations with Japan, China frequently brings up the topic of Japanese aggression and atrocities in China from the late 19th century Sino-Japanese war continuing throughout World War II. The dispute with Japan is now part of the legacy of World War II and China claims that under the Potsdam Declaration of 1945, Japan was obligated to return all the territories seized illegally.

  The above means that the dispute over the islands is now connected to one of the most highly charged issues in Sino-Japanese history, making it a matter of national honor for the Chinese that is not subject to negotiation.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 08:45

  anopther place china should go claim back:

   

  Sakhalin was inhabited in the Neolithic Stone Age. Flint implements, like those found in Siberia, have been found at Dui and Kusunai in great numbers, as well as polished stone hatchets, like European examples, primitive pottery with decorations like those of the Olonets, and stone weights for nets. Afterwards a population to whom bronze was known left traces in earthen walls and kitchen-middens on the Aniva Bay.

  Among the indigenous people of Sakhalin are the Ainu on the southern half, the Oroks in the central region, and the Nivkhs on the northern part.^[4] Chinese chronicled the Xianbei  and Hezhe tribes, who had a way of life based on fishing.

  The Mongol Empire made some efforts to subjugate the native people of Sakhalin starting in about 1264 CE. According to Yuanshi, the official history of the Yuan Dynasty, the Mongols militarily subdued the Guwei (骨嵬, GÇ”wéi), and by 1308, all inhabitants of Sakhalin had surrendered to the Mongols.^[5] The Nivkhs and the Oroks were subjugated earlier, whereas the Ainu people submitted to the Mongols later.^{[citation needed]} Following their subjugation, GÇ”wéi elders made tributary visits to Yuan posts located at Wuleihe, Nanghar, and Boluohe, until the end of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty in China (1368). In the early Ming Dynasty (1368–1644), the tributary relationship was re-established. Following the introduction of Chinese political and commercial institutions in the Amur region, by the middle of the 15th century the Sakhalin Ainu were making frequent tributary visits to Chinese-controlled outposts.^[5] The Chinese in the Ming Dynasty knew the island as Kuyi or Kuwu (Chinese: 苦兀; pinyin: KÇ”wù), and later (and at present) as Kuye (Chinese: 庫é �; pinyin: Kùyè). There is some evidence that the Ming eunuch admiral Yishiha reached Sakhalin in 1413 during one of his expeditions to the lower Amur, and granted Ming titles to a local chieftain.^[6] Under the Ming Dynasty, commerce in Northeast Asia and Sakhalin was placed under the "system for subjugated peoples", or ximin tizhi. These suggest that the island was at least nominally included under the administration of the Nurgan Regional Military Commission which was set up by Yishiha near today's village of Tyr on the Siberian mainland in 1411, and operated until the mid-1430s.^[6] A Ming boundary stone still exists on the island.^{[citation needed]}

  [edit] European and Japanese exploration

  

  

  Display of Sakhalin on maps varied throughout the 18th century. This map from a 1773 atlas, based on the earlier work by d'Anville, who in his turn made use of the information collected by Jesuits in 1709, asserts the existence of Sakhalin—but only assigns to it the northern half of the island and its northeastern coast (with Cape Patience, discovered by de Vries in 1643). Cape Aniva, also discovered by de Vries, and Cape Crillon (Black Cape) are, however, thought to be part of the mainland

  According to Wei Yuan's work Military history of the Qing Dynasty (Chinese: è�–武記; pinyin: ShèngwÇ” Jì), the Later Jin sent 400 troops to Sakhalin in 1616, after a newfound interest because of northern Japanese contacts with the area, but later withdrew as it was considered there was no threat from the island.

  A Japanese settlement in the southern end of Sakhalin of Ootomari was established in 1679 in a colonization attempt. Cartographers of the Matsumae clan created a map of the island and called it "Kita-Ezo" (Northern Ezo, Ezo being the old name for the islands north of Honshu). The 1689 Nerchinsk Treaty between Russia and China, which defined the Stanovoy Mountains as the border, made no explicit mention of the island. Yet, the Qing Dynasty (1644–1912) did consider the island as part of its territory. Policies of the Qing Dynasty followed a similar pattern to the previous Ming Dynasty, which drew Sakhalin peoples further into the "system for subjugated peoples". Local people were forced to pay tribute at Qing posts, and Qing officials granted some titles to local elders and entrusted them with the task of "keeping the peace". By the mid-18th century, Qing officials had registered 56 surname groups; of these, Qing sources note that six clans and 148 households were those of Ainu and Nivkh who came under the Qing administrative umbrella on Sakhalin.^[7] However, as the Chinese governments did not have a military presence on the island, people from Japan attempted to colonise the island.

  The first European known to visit Sakhalin was Martin Gerritz de Vries, who mapped Cape Patience and Cape Aniva on the island's east coast in 1643. The Dutch captain, however, was not aware of their being on an island, and 17th century maps usually showed these points—and often Hokkaido, too—as parts of the mainland.

  As part of a nationwide Sino-French cartographic program, the Jesuits Jean-Baptiste Régis, Pierre Jartoux, and Xavier Ehrenbert Fridelli joined a Chinese team visiting the lower Amur (known to them under its Manchu name, Saghalien Ula, i.e. the "Black River"), in 1709,^[8] and learned from the "Ke tcheng" natives of the lower Amur about the existence of the offshore island nearby. The Jesuits learned that the islanders were said to have been good at reindeer husbandry. They reported that the mainlanders used a variety of names to refer to the island, but Saghalien anga bata, i.e. "the Island [at] the mouth of the Black River" was the most common one, meanwhile the name "Huye" (presumably, "Kuye", 庫é �) they had heard in Beijing was completely unknown to the locals.^[9]

  

  

  La Perouse charted most of the southwestern coast of Sakhalin (or "Tchoka", as he heard natives call it) in 1787

  The Jesuits, however, did not have a chance to visit the island personally, and the inadequate information about its geography provided by the Ke tcheng people and the Manchus who had been to the island would not allow them to identify it with the land visited by de Vries in 1643. As a result, many 17th century maps showed a rather strangely shaped Sakhalin, which included only the northern half of the island (with Cape Patience), while Cape Aniva discovered by de Vries and the "Black Cape" (Cape Crillon) were thought to be part of the mainland.

  It was not until the expedition of Jean-François de La Pérouse (1787), who charted most of the Strait of Tartary, but was not able to pass through its northern "bottleneck" due to contrary winds, that the island on European maps assumed a form similar to what is familiar to modern readers. A few islanders La Perouse met near what is today called the Strait of Nevelskoy told him that the island is called "Tchoka" (or at least that is how he recorded the name in French), and it was used on some maps thereafter.^[10]

  The Russian explorer Adam Johann von Krusenstern visited Sakhalin in 1805, but regarded it as a peninsula.

  Alarmed by the visits of European powers, Japan proclaimed its sovereignty over the whole island in 1807. The Japanese say that it was Mamiya Rinz� who really discovered the Strait of Tartary in 1809.

  [edit] Russo-Japanese rivalry

  

  

  Settler's way of life. Near church at holiday. 1903

  On the basis of its being an extension of HokkaidÅ�, geographically and culturally, Japan again proclaimed sovereignty over the whole island in 1845, as well as the Kuril Islands, as there were competing claims from Russia. However, the Russian navigator Gennady Nevelskoy in 1849 recorded the existence and navigability of this strait and — in defiance of the Qing and Japanese claims — Russian settlers established coal mines, administration facilities, schools, prisons, and churches on the island. Japan proclaimed its sovereignty over Sakhalin (which they called Karafuto) yet again in 1865 and the government built a stele announcing this at the northern extremity of the island.

  In 1855, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Shimoda, which declared that both nationals could inhabit the island: Russians in the north, and Japanese in the south, without a clear boundary between. Russia also agreed to dismantle its military base at Ootomari. Following the Opium War, Russia forced China to sign the Treaty of Aigun (1858) and Convention of Peking (1860), under which China lost to Russia all claims to all territories north of Heilongjiang (Amur) and east of Ussuri, including Sakhalin. A katorga (penal colony) was established by Russia on Sakhalin in 1857, but the southern part of the island was held by the Japanese until the 1875 Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1875), when they ceded it to Russia in exchange for the Kuril Islands.

  [edit] Divided island

  

  

  Sakhalin Island with Karafuto Prefecture highlighted

  See also: Sakhalin Oblast and Karafuto Prefecture

  After the Russo-Japanese War, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Portsmouth of 1905, which saw the southern part of the island below 50th parallel north reverting to Japan; Russia retained the other three-fifths of the area. During the Siberian Intervention, Japan briefly held the northern part of the island from 1920 to 1925.

  South Sakhalin was administrated by Japan as Karafuto Prefecture (Karafuto-ch� (樺太�^?)), with the capital Toyohara, today's Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and had a large number of migrants from Korea.

  The northern, Russian, half of the island formed Sakhalin Oblast, with the capital in Aleksandrovsk-Sakhalinsky.

  [edit] Second World War

  In August 1945, according to Yalta Conference agreements, the Soviet Union took over the control of Sakhalin. The Soviet attack on South Sakhalin was part of the Manchurian Strategic Offensive Operation and started on 11 August 1945, after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and four days before the Surrender of Japan. The 56th Rifle Corps consisting of the 79th Rifle Division, the 2nd Rifle Brigade, the 5th Rifle Brigade and the 214 Armored Brigade attacked the Japanese 88th Division. Although the Red Army outnumbered the Japanese by a factor of three, they were unable to advance due to strong Japanese resistance.

  It was not until the 113th Rifle Brigade and the 365th Independent Naval Infantry Rifle Battalion from Sovetskaya Gavan landed on 16 August at TÅ�ro (塔路^?) — a seashore village of western Sakhalin — that the Soviets broke the Japanese defence line. Japanese resistance grew weaker after this landing. Actual fighting, mostly skirmishes, continued until 21 August. From 22 August to 23 August, most of the remaining Japanese units announced a truce. The Soviets completed the conquest of Sakhalin on 25 August 1945 by occupying the capital, Toyohara. Japanese sources claim that 20,000 civilians were killed during the invasion.^{[citation needed]}

  Out of some 448,000 Japanese residents of South Sakhalin who lived there in 1944, a significant number were evacuated to Japan during the last days of the war, but the remaining 300,000 or so stayed behind for several more years.^[11] While the predominant majority of Sakhalin Japanese were eventually evacuated to Japan in 1946–1950, tens of thousands of Sakhalin Koreans (and a number of their Japanese spouses) remained in the Soviet Union.^[12][13]

  

  

  Central part of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk. 2009

  No final peace treaty has been signed and the status of four neighboring islands remains disputed. Japan renounced its claims of sovereignty over southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands in the Treaty of San Francisco (1951), but claims that four islands currently administered by Russia were not subject to this renunciation. Japan has granted mutual exchange visas for Japanese and Ainu families divided by the change in status. Recently, economic and political cooperation has gradually improved between the two nations despite disagreements.^{[citation needed]}

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 08:56

  According to China, Chinese historical records detailing the discovery and geographical feature of these islands date back to the year 1403. For several centuries they have been administered as part of Taiwan and have always been used exclusively by Chinese fishermen as an operational base. In 1874, Japan took Liu Chiu Islands from China by force. Diaoyutai, however, remained under the administration Taiwan, a part of China. Taiwan (including Diaoyutai) was ceded to Japan in 1895 after the first Sino-Japanese War. Originally, during the Japanese occupation of Taiwan, the Diaoyutai Archipelago came under the jurisdiction of Taipei Prefecture. After the close of the Second World War, when U.S. troops were stationed on the Ryukyu and Diaoyutai Archipelagoes, the KMT government which had received Taiwan did not immediately demand that that the US give them sovereignty. Diaoyutai was returned to China at the end of World War II in 1945 based upon the 1943 agreement of the Big Three in Cairo. Diaoyutai was part of Taiwan hence was included in that package.

   

  In 1969, a report by the UN Economic Commission for Asia and the Far East (ECAFE) indicated the possibility of large reserves of oil in the vicinity of the Diaoyutai Archipelago. This report set off a political dispute between Taiwan, China and Japan which has been going on now for over thirty years.

  According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea the stipulation, should act according to the fair principle development negotiations, seeks means which both sides both can accept. When there is disagreement on the demarcation of EEZs between any countries, the law stipulates that the parties concerned should avoid anything that could undermine an eventual agreement. China's gas field drilling near the median line between the two countries is regarded by Japan as an obvious infringement of the spirit of this law. Tokyo's proposal, which has not been accepted by Beijing, has been to divide the sea equally between the two countries, which would put China's Chunxiao claim only three miles from Japanese territory. China's offers to jointly develop the oil field have been rebuffed.

  The specific development in dispute is China's drilling in the Chunxiao field, which is three miles west of the median line, but which Japan contends may be tapping natural gas reserves which extend past the median line. The Chunxiao gas field in Xihu Sag in the East China Sea is estimated to hold reserves of more than 1.6 tcf of natural gas and is expected to become a major producer in the next ten years. Commercial operation was expected to begin in mid-2005 at a production rate of 70 bcf per year, rising to 282 bcf by 2010. Sinopec Star has reserves of 7 tcf of gas, 1.9 tcf of which is held in the Chunxiao area. China has proven reserves of natural gas of about 53.3 trillion cubic feet (tcf). Most of China's gas fields are in the the western and north-central parts of the country, though offshore basins are becoming increasingly important.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:00

  Originally posted by troublemaker2005:

  if you own the island take valid papers out and let the international court settle it.

  unless if you want to gith that fire the first shot lah - cheena so big scrae arh? off course is no evident string prove of teh island ownership lah. if not what;s stoppingtehm from firing the first shot? just like many years ago only know how to prostest and riot only. soldiers cannot fight 1

   

  thebtitle so misleading. asia pacific on the brink of war. who wants to go fight war on greed? taiwan korea also don;t bother - US laffing also. the rest of asia who cares? more destruction more businesses move out from cheena, better. if japan wants to strike, aim their missiles at beijing and highly dense industrial area. business will sure move elsewhere we see what's good for cheena anyway, invenstments or gree dof rmore nateural resources.

  there was no international court back whe  diaoyu island etc was claimed by chinese people from ancient times.all they could do was put a rock there.after 500 years invasion,civil wars,natural deterioration of papers due to bookworms....they be lucky the stone marker they placed there  500 years ago is still there today.all they can do is salvage what they have and since the islands are near taiwan and china ,japan has no case to it.

  not to say i side china or japan but looking from afar thats the right thing oil or no oil.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:04

  wow theres like triilion cubic feet of oil in diaoyu  or senkaku island now.thats even far more than a billion or a million!!!TRILLION!!!!trillionaire?

   

  from wiki:

   

   

  Numbers

  Either of the two numbers (see long and short scales for more detail):

  • 1,000,000,000,000 (one million million; ; SI prefix: tera-) for all short scale countries
  • 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one million million million; ; SI prefix: exa-) for all long scale countries
• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:07

  thats a goldminen diaoyu island or senkaku island i!i dun think both countries will letgo without a world war!

   

   

  after looking at trillion dollar figures...i think both sides will be clouded by what is wrong n right!war is coming!another recession too!

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:23

  but honestly,,,its really taiwans island.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:34

  08:09, September 17, 2012

  Compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Strait are all angry over Japan’s recent farce of “buying the Diaoyu Islands,” said the spokeswoman for the Taiwan Affairs Office under the State Council of China Fan Liqing at a press conference on Sept. 12. 
  
  Taiwan Authorities' stance on defending the Diaoyu Islands has changed
  
  The “practical action of defending the Diaoyu Islands” by the leader of Taiwan Ma Ying-jeou deserves to be recognized by both sides of the Taiwan Strait. On the morning of Sept. 12, organizations for unification, including the Labor Party of Taiwan, Alliance for the Reunification of China and the Cross-Strait Peaceful Development Forum, sent delegations to the Japan Communication Association in Taipei to protest Japan's action of “buying the Islands.” The organizers of the activity said that both sides of the strait will jointly defend the Diaoyu Islands and they hope the two sides will defend the sovereignty of China hand in hand.
  
  In a “Cross-Strait Dialogue,” it was implied for the first time that the two sides should join hands to deal with Japan because it accords with the common expectations of the Chinese people on both sides of the strait. If it is feasible, it will without doubt be a great breakthrough in the political contact between the two sides. 
  

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• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 09:36

  looks like china join with taiwan to fight japanese army!stay tune for more!

• Jacky Woo

  17 Sep 12, 12:19

  wars in this day and age is not a win win situation.

  first war is expensive, second loss of lives and properties, third wars may set the economy back, fourth war is a no win situation for both parties, victor and loser.

• Summer hill

  17 Sep 12, 17:23

  trillion?!??! WOW!

  A DIAMOND MINE!!!

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 19:17

  Originally posted by Jacky Woo:

  wars in this day and age is not a win win situation.

  first war is expensive, second loss of lives and properties, third wars may set the economy back, fourth war is a no win situation for both parties, victor and loser.

  
  its ok,the oil on island is like a trillion dollars$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.it will pay for the wars and interests and even extra plates of deuck rice for everyone in china.think  there is a time limit here to claim back island or else it goes to japan before the claim date.its lost and found.china lost it as it was theirs from ming dynasty.japan found it only like receently and doesnt want to return it according to the laws made in past when it confiscated the lands in sino japanese wars.this is how sincere japan is to china regarding the massacre of 1000000 men and woman in ww2 and the invasion of china.

   

  by right the island belongs to taiwan as it was administered to them but they are too weak to fight the japanese army now.so china will do the fighting if it starts and wins.

  what will the fight be?destroyers,aircraft  carriers and troop carriers landing on island to occupy it.

  singapore will be involved if usa comes into the war to ally the japanese.mainly as a interpreter for the  china chinese and good relations with usa all along.spore is currently the only neutral to usa and china.

  president obama seems to be picking on china and now critisces it over the trade issues.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 19:21

  Originally posted by Summer hill:

  trillion?!??! WOW!

  A DIAMOND MINE!!!

  
  yess....all the china,taiwan and japanese soldiers see $$$$$ too instead of right n wrong.

  itrs more precious than diamond.

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 19:24

  Originally posted by Summer hill:

  trillion?!??! WOW!

  A DIAMOND MINE!!!

  
  looks like  a remake of ww2 again!

  as below:

   

  Japanese firms close offices in China as islands row escalates

  US defence secretary urges restraint as diplomatic dispute over East China Sea islands threatens countries' close economic ties

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  • Justin McCurry in Tokyo
  • guardian.co.uk, Monday 17 September 2012 11.37 BST

  

  Chinese protesters burn a Japanese flag in Henan province over the disputed Senkaku islands. Photograph: Str/AFP/Getty Images

  Japanese companies have temporarily closed factories and offices in China after a weekend of violent protests sparked by the countries' competing claims to a group of islands in the East China Sea, as the US warned of a danger of armed conflict and urged both sides to exercise restraint.

  The closures came after people took to the streets in more than 70 Chinese cities to protest the Japanese government's purchase last week of the Senkaku islands, known as the Diaoyu in China, from their private Japanese owners.

  China reacted by sending marine patrol ships to Japanese-claimed waters around the islands. On Monday, the Kyodo news agency, citing the online edition of the Central People's Broadcasting Station in China, said that as many as 1,000 Chinese fishing boats had set sail on Sunday and would arrive in waters off the Senkakus later in the day.

  The diplomatic row has spilled over into the countries' close economic ties, amid warnings by the US secretary of defence, Leon Panetta, that the spat could deteriorate into armed conflict.

  "Obviously we're concerned by the demonstrations and we're concerned by the conflict that is taking place over the Senkaku islands, and the message that I have tried to convey is a message that we have to urge calm and restraint on all sides," he told reporters before leaving Tokyo for Beijing earlier on Monday.

  While it sanctioned the demonstrations, the Chinese government on Monday attempted to dampen anti-Japanese sentiment, removing provocative online comments and photographs of the protests, and threatening to arrest anyone found to have broken the law.

  Location of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands.

  Chinese authorities said 10 people had been arrested for attacking cars or vandalising shops, while arrests were also reported over an arson attack on a Japanese electronics factory and car dealership.

  In some of the worst of the weekend's protests, demonstrators hurled bottles and other items at the Japanese embassy in Beijing and attacked Japanese restaurants and other businesses in at least five cities.

  Toyota and Honda said arsonists had badly damaged their dealerships in Qingdao in eastern China, while Panasonic said one of its plants had been set alight. The electronics giant said the factory would remain closed through Tuesday, when China marks the anniversary of the start of Japan's occupation of parts of the country.

  Canon said it would also close three of its four factories in China for the next two days, while All Nippon Airways reported a spike in cancellations on flights from China to Japan.

  Meanwhile, Japan's Fast Retailing said would close 19 of its Uniqlo clothing stores in China on Tuesday as it expects the anti-Japan demonstrations to escalate. Asia's largest apparel retailer shut seven stores on Monday.

   

  In the southern city of Shenzhen, police fired teargas and turned water cannon and pepper spray on thousands of protesters attempting to occupy a street.

  On Sunday, Panetta said he was concerned that other countries, including the US, could be dragged into any conflict over the islands.

  Washington has declined to take sides in the Senkaku row, but acknowledges that under the US-Japan security treaty it is required to come to its ally's aid if it is attacked.

  Japan's foreign minister, Koichiro Gemba, who met Panetta in Tokyo on Monday, said it was "mutually understood between Japan and the United States that (the Senkakus) are covered by the treaty".

  Panetta said the US did not take a position on the sovereignty claims, but added, "Having said that, we expect that these issues will be resolved peacefully and although we understand the differences here with regard to jurisdiction, it is extremely important that diplomatic means on both sides be used to try to constructively resolve these issues.

  "It is in everybody's interest for Japan and China to maintain good relations and to find a way to avoid further escalation."

  The Japanese prime minister, Yoshihiko Noda, called on the Chinese authorities to ensure the safety of Japanese citizens and businesses. "Regrettably, this is a problem concerning the safety of Japanese nationals and Japan-affiliated companies," he told broadcaster NHK. "I would like to urge the Chinese government to protect their safety."

  China described Japan's decision to buy three of the uninhabited islets, which are thought to be surrounded by huge deposits of natural gas, as a violation of its sovereignty.

  Japan says the islands have been an integral part of its territory since the late 19th century, claiming that China had only shown an interest in them after studies pointed to the presence of potentially valuable natural resources nearby.

  Chinese state media and online activists united in calling for a boycott of Japanese goods, while Chinese tourism authorities ordered travel agents to cancel package tours to Japan during a week-long national holiday next month.

  One newspaper warned Japan that it could face another "lost decade" of economic stagnation if trade ties are affected. China replaced Japan as the world's second-biggest economy in 2010, but analysts said that both sides would suffer from a prolonged trade spat.

  China is Japan's single biggest trading partner and bilateral trade was worth a record $345bn (£213bn) last year.

  "How could it be that Japan wants another lost decade, and could even be prepared to go back by two decades," said a front-page editorial in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, a Communist party newspaper.

  The paper said China had always exercised caution over "playing the economic card", adding "but in struggles concerning territorial sovereignty, if Japan continues its provocations, then China will take up the battle".

  Other recent outbreaks of anti-Japanese sentiment, in 2005 and 2010, ended with short-lived protests and minor disruption to trade

   

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 19:26

  Originally posted by Summer hill:

  trillion?!??! WOW!

  A DIAMOND MINE!!!

  
  quik...run to shig shiong n stock up on pork luncheon and cooking oil before food price increase .:)

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 19:35

  what would happen  when war happens?

  1)lee hsien loong would be seen talking to china,taiwan and usa as a mediator often.

  2)electronics production will prosper in spore as  japan ,china,taiwan are too busy fighting and shipping routes attacked and blocked.korea will be affected in a few ways due to close proximity.

  3) All shipping will be affected  in region,korea,china and japan and taiwan as a tit for tat reaction.

  4)ALL shipping of,electronics from main electronics producers will shut down in japan,china,taiwan and korea,

• Army 21

  17 Sep 12, 20:00

  alll shipping in and out of japan korea china and taiwan will be significantly reduced as ships would be blown up upon entering region.that would increase fear factor of submarines torpedoing any trade vessels,oil vesssels,cargo vessels etc as a fear factor to cripple each others economy.

  the bets are high......around a trillion dollars.only when war losses reach that mark it would be deemed economically unfesible to have a war.that would be a few years n  thousands of deaths.

• sgdiehard

  18 Sep 12, 10:38

  Originally posted by Army 21:

  
  its ok,the oil on island is like a trillion dollars$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.it will pay for the wars and interests and even extra plates of deuck rice for everyone in china.think  there is a time limit here to claim back island or else it goes to japan before the claim date.its lost and found.china lost it as it was theirs from ming dynasty.japan found it only like receently and doesnt want to return it according to the laws made in past when it confiscated the lands in sino japanese wars.this is how sincere japan is to china regarding the massacre of 1000000 men and woman in ww2 and the invasion of china.

   

  by right the island belongs to taiwan as it was administered to them but they are too weak to fight the japanese army now.so china will do the fighting if it starts and wins.

  what will the fight be?destroyers,aircraft  carriers and troop carriers landing on island to occupy it.

  singapore will be involved if usa comes into the war to ally the japanese.mainly as a interpreter for the  china chinese and good relations with usa all along.spore is currently the only neutral to usa and china.

  president obama seems to be picking on china and now critisces it over the trade issues.

  who says there is any oil on the island, or below it?

  Japan occupied it as their conquest of China to expand the Japanese empire.

  The american occupied the island as part of their war against imperial japan, and administered the island from 1945 until 1972 as part of the Ryukyu islands. They revert these islands to the control of Japan because China was under communist. Neither China nor Taiwan was part of the treaty in this handover, and the earlier treaty in Cairo in 1943, which was subsequently reaffirmed by the allied and the soviet in Potsdam, were totally ignored.

  The dispute has everything to do with the sovereignty of the nations, looking back in the history. Little to do with politics or ideology, because the commie in china and the nationalist in taiwan are on the same side.

  Until there is confirmation that there is oil, the economic value of this place is just the fishes around, and the control of sea lane, which has great strategic significance. and if there is oil, then the situation gets more complicated.