SDP proposing $5.75b cut to annual defense budget
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
People forget their history. When the sook ching massacre happened, did they only massacre the rich?
People are fighting over pieces of rocks in the South China Sea. Does anyone seriously think Singapore, with its strategic location on the busiest waterway in world, is not an important real estate to own? Gone case if we’re ever run by the g**ndus.
many singaporean never learned history, its the government's fault.
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Originally posted by GHoST_18:
we have an army.
but we are already overruned.
so why have an army?
Fortunately the country is not run by gundus, and we may risk being overrun by the talents....
if we were runned by the idiotic, we will be overrunned by the fanatics, then we will really need to run... and you better start to run NOW, or you won't go far!!!!
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Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
can we seek USA help to place more troops here so we can spend less ourselves?
Are we going to repeat the Fall of Singapore II? Or the East of Suez? If they thought other areas are more important, like Homeland defence, Singapore is going to get leftovers from their army. And "Susanteo" is way too pessimistic about others not wanting Singapore. 80km of land to take over for an additional 200 Billion in GDP is almost always worth it, provided you can get away with it. It's half Malaysia's annual GDP and 1/4 of Indonesia's. That kind of economic boost + shipyards + mature manufacturing infrastructure is very valuable. As for wasting time in NS, ask for a transfer to a more... flexible unit. Lots of fun, assault boat, rapelling, heli-rapelling, airborne if you're CDO, combat survival (ultimate jia-zhua :P ), POW training, demo etc. If you end up in a zho-bo unit, then obviously you will zho-bo for 2 years. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
of course, so that you know what it really takes to make a boy a man, a man to a soldier, a soldier to a leader, and for the team to work as a team.
have you served NS?
does it matter?
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
Are we going to repeat the Fall of Singapore II? Or the East of Suez? If they thought other areas are more important, like Homeland defence, Singapore is going to get leftovers from their army. And "Susanteo" is way too pessimistic about others not wanting Singapore. 80km of land to take over for an additional 200 Billion in GDP is almost always worth it, provided you can get away with it. It's half Malaysia's annual GDP and 1/4 of Indonesia's. That kind of economic boost + shipyards + mature manufacturing infrastructure is very valuable. As for wasting time in NS, ask for a transfer to a more... flexible unit. Lots of fun, assault boat, rapelling, heli-rapelling, airborne if you're CDO, combat survival (ultimate jia-zhua :P ), POW training, demo etc. If you end up in a zho-bo unit, then obviously you will zho-bo for 2 years.we can buy mecanerices
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Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
we can buy mecanerices
Not if you cut the budget by half. Mercenaries won't be cheaper than NSmen (who are pretty much the cheapest option). -
Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
we can buy mecanerices
Mercenaries might betray if someone else bids for higher price.
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Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
does it matter?
hahaha...
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Mercenaries might betray if someone else bids for higher price.
gurkhas are not expensive and firecly loyal
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
Are we going to repeat the Fall of Singapore II? Or the East of Suez? If they thought other areas are more important, like Homeland defence, Singapore is going to get leftovers from their army. And "Susanteo" is way too pessimistic about others not wanting Singapore. 80km of land to take over for an additional 200 Billion in GDP is almost always worth it, provided you can get away with it. It's half Malaysia's annual GDP and 1/4 of Indonesia's. That kind of economic boost + shipyards + mature manufacturing infrastructure is very valuable. As for wasting time in NS, ask for a transfer to a more... flexible unit. Lots of fun, assault boat, rapelling, heli-rapelling, airborne if you're CDO, combat survival (ultimate jia-zhua :P ), POW training, demo etc. If you end up in a zho-bo unit, then obviously you will zho-bo for 2 years.I used to agree when I was little.
Now I know the GDP is not mine to defend at all. What the People own are, well, their own to defend or move out of the country, and what's left belongs not to the People but to the powers that be in this country. GDP is their exercise in vainglory. If they think I will stake my life defending their untold wealth and this megaproject which they are loath to give their own sons to defend, they're mistaken. I'm already half not Singaporean and soon I won't be.
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Originally posted by alize:
I used to agree when I was little.
Now I know the GDP is not mine to defend at all. What the People own are, well, their own to defend or move out of the country, and what's left belongs not to the People but to the powers that be in this country. GDP is their exercise in vainglory. If they think I will stake my life defending their untold wealth and this megaproject which they are loath to give their own sons to defend, they're mistaken. I'm already half not Singaporean and soon I won't be.
if there is a war, there won't be any GDP to talk about, especially for a country like Singapore. There will always be a power at the top of any country, so if you don't like the power, and not enough people agree with you to change them, or we don't know a better way, you change your country. but in the end, what is the choice? is it about changing for the better, or "enough of this, anything else doesn't matter"?
GDP doesn't indicate the maturity of a country, it is the will of the people to live together, to make changes together, and together we defend our way of life. We make do with an unsatisfactory government and we accept some stupid oppositions like the SDP. No country is perfect.
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Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
gurkhas are not expensive and firecly loyal
loyal to whom?
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Firstly, Singapore Gurkhas are in the police force and not exactly military mercs. Also, the nepali government are actually stopping this export practice.
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
Firstly, Singapore Gurkhas are in the police force and not exactly military mercs. Also, the nepali government are actually stopping this export practice.
Gurkhas are for a counter-coup role.
They cannot be in both army and police because they must be counterweights to each other.
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Its an urban legend. 2,000 poorly armed gurkhas isn't much anti-anything. The Gurkhas are unique in Singapore as they are police officers, not soldiers and little to distinguish between other cheap foreign workers. They guard key installations. That's about it. They had a very good role quelling riots etc in the 50s/60s but those days are basically gone. We have more problems with them nowadays esp over pay...plus the failures in the Mas Selamat detention. http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/sacked-gurkhas-staged-kidnapping-in-nepal/
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
Its an urban legend. 2,000 poorly armed gurkhas isn’t much anti-anything. The Gurkhas are unique in Singapore as they are police officers, not soldiers and little to distinguish between other cheap foreign workers. They guard key installations. That’s about it. They had a very good role quelling riots etc in the 50s/60s but those days are basically gone.
We have more problems with them nowadays esp over pay…plus the failures in the Mas Selamat detention.
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/04/sacked-gurk…Well, what key installations do they guard? We have two infantry battalions for guarding key industrial sites like refineries.
More often we see them standing under umbrellas with an MP5 outside a politician's house, or at the APEC summit. That's a counter-coup role.
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Originally posted by alize:
Well, what key installations do they guard? We have two infantry battalions for guarding key industrial sites like refineries.
More often we see them standing under umbrellas with an MP5 outside a politician's house, or at the APEC summit. That's a counter-coup role.
key installations like LKY's toilet bowl.....................and bathtub lor.................
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Originally posted by alize:
Well, what key installations do they guard? We have two infantry battalions for guarding key industrial sites like refineries.
More often we see them standing under umbrellas with an MP5 outside a politician's house, or at the APEC summit. That's a counter-coup role.
Was referring to key to Mas Selamat cell...;) -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
loyal to whom?
loyal to singapore
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not a bad idea to neutralize $5b to world bank
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
Firstly, Singapore Gurkhas are in the police force and not exactly military mercs. Also, the nepali government are actually stopping this export practice.
they can be trained to be special forces.
anyways they are much fitter than citizens
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Originally posted by Li hao Lim Matthew:
they can be trained to be special forces.
anyways they are much fitter than citizens
You need to understand what specforce does before making such comments. Also Singapore already has its own specforce. No need foreigners to do the job. Thanks but no thanks. -
Li, mercs are NEVER a good idea to base your army on. Ask Malacca. And they will never be loyal to Singapore, Singapore is their employee, not their home, they finish their tour and go back to their family, bye bye. It's like expecting construction workers to develop loyalty to Singapore just because they worked 5 years here. Possible to happen, but seriously unlikely. And not to mention supply of your "special forces" then ends up depending on other countries. Right now, if we had went "Gurkhas = SOF", Nepal is planning to cut supply of soldiers to other countries to improve its' image, we would have been stripped of our whole SOF force in one PR decision. And "fitness" is built up. The reason Singaporeans are less fit is not because we're "weaker", I know some of our guys who train with SEAL and GSG9 and they pulled through, it's because we spend a lot of our time on our ass in class, in front of the TV and computer instead of running around. Go to any gym and look for the long term exercisers and see if they are "less fit".
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It is possible actually to cut defence budget.SAF jus have to train more units of rangers.Stop money wasted on sar21 colors every season* and implement + diverse rest of funds in R/D.Throw all resources on creating densely highly concentrated combustable anthrax,chlorine,progene,cyanide,mustard etc. Built chemical warheads with capabilities to clusterbomb, multi ejection so as to spread over large areas upon detonation.Better if able to make chemicals to spread and kill over open areas without dissipating.For stealth missions,create backpacks to be carried by the rangers to stealth in and destory enemies.
Dont say im cruel ,evil,etc.One day you wake up to a war,saw ur fren got beheaded, you kenna kang ka-chng, while you are being force to watch helplessly in agony of ur mother/sis/daughter/wife tio gangrape. I believe you wun feel im evil after that,your be hellbent to torture them also. To kill or be kill.They will not show u mercy. Read up WW2 of the atrocities.
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Originally posted by Luciferic:
It is possible actually to cut defence budget.SAF jus have to train more units of rangers.Stop money wasted on sar21 colors every season* and implement + diverse rest of funds in R/D.Throw all resources on creating densely highly concentrated combustable anthrax,chlorine,progene,cyanide,mustard etc. Built chemical warheads with capabilities to clusterbomb, multi ejection so as to spread over large areas upon detonation.Better if able to make chemicals to spread and kill over open areas without dissipating.For stealth missions,create backpacks to be carried by the rangers to stealth in and destory enemies.
Dont say im cruel ,evil,etc.One day you wake up to a war,saw ur fren got beheaded, you kenna kang ka-chng, while you are being force to watch helplessly in agony of ur mother/sis/daughter/wife tio gangrape. I believe you wun feel im evil after that,your be hellbent to torture them also. To kill or be kill.They will not show u mercy. Read up WW2 of the atrocities.
That won't save a lot of money. If you knew what's the breakdown of the Mindef budget, then you'd realise that components such as SAR-21 is only a very, very small component of the actual cost.
Even if one doesn't buy any SAR-21, its probably save like less than $10m in a $12b annual budget.