Is DART considered SF?
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In theory, yes, CDOs don't hold ground, but in practice, you have to once in a while. You need a location for resupply, otherwise you'll soon be shooting the universal round and eating snake for real, not to mention no person can actually keep hiking for 72 hrs straight with an extra heavy pack. Rubber legs when contacted isn't a good thing. Blundering around in enemy territory actually also increases the risk of hitting an ambush, better to find a defendable location and rest for a bit.
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Originally posted by meander:
Assaulting BUA can actually be fun (sometimes). Attacking hills with dug in positions sucks. Getting there sucks even more.
Which is why I envy those in jungle hats. Even though they insert earlier, they have a lot of freedom.
Both are costly missions regardless of unit training and not SF missions.
I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit.
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I realise these questions will not get answered, but no harm asking right.
Is ADF a line unit or evaluation unit or both?
What is the size of ADF units? eg companies
What is the next higher HQ above ADF? eg brigade, if ADF is a brigade asset.
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"I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit." True, which is why I call NSF CDOs bludgeons rather than SF. No idea on ADF size or job scope, but I can confirm it's not brigade asset or lower, so it'll be division and above, and even so, which division? It screws up standard structure, so my bet is that it's a GHQ level asset. Wait, just remembered something, it may not even be a unit at all but groups of scattered experienced personnel. My last in-camp, my 2IC was ADF, but he was posted to my unit instead of a dedicated ADF unit. Maybe ADF really isn't a unit but a designation, like SOF personnel posted to be CSM of other units, but when activated, goes back to parent unit?
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
“I would rather pour an entire 7xx battalion on a BUA than commit a precious SF unit.”
True, which is why I call NSF CDOs bludgeons rather than SF.
No idea on ADF size or job scope, but I can confirm it’s not brigade asset or lower, so it’ll be division and above, and even so, which division? It screws up standard structure, so my bet is that it’s a GHQ level asset.
Wait, just remembered something, it may not even be a unit at all but groups of scattered experienced personnel. My last in-camp, my 2IC was ADF, but he was posted to my unit instead of a dedicated ADF unit. Maybe ADF really isn’t a unit but a designation, like SOF personnel posted to be CSM of other units, but when activated, goes back to parent unit?
What unit do reservist CDOs go to? I think a 6xx or 7xx battalion would be inf and guards. And I read 10 CDO is no longer existent.
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Back to CDO reserves until ~35, then maybe MR? The high physical job guys tend to outpro a bit faster. Age = not so fit any more.
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ADF is an infantry unit. You could consider them an all regular somewhat elite infantry unit. They are stringent about who they take in.
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Of course, a professional general would conserve the least replacable resource.
A politician or a general's temptation is to lavish better units on a costly objective, in the vain hope of fewer dead and lower political cost.
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Not that a real political cost is incurred, just bragging rights.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
lol I like recce. Once you’re out of your OC’s sight, deploy hammock.
Besides, recce can be fun once in a while, you get to use all the nice stuff like TI, NVGs, ground sensors, and call in air/arty strikes.
Beats running up and down a hill screaming your lungs out lol.
Back to ADF, you think there could actually be two ADFs? One a testing unit, the other an advance deployment force? Sneaky.
As for Marines, our closest analog really would be the CDOs.
Recce does those? I thought those were the secretive CLT or STORM types, all regulars, mostly officers.
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They don't have enough regulars for all that :P Also depends on how.. xiao on the reservists were. But the ground sensors need a rethink. 48kg... man... TI also needs to shrink down, if they can. Current ones are... well, remember Halo 2 when they 1st landed in New Mombassa on Earth? The sniper team spotter talking to them was using a TI unit. It's fairly bulky. And noisy (cooling fan). And needs time to warm up.
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Originally posted by BEARZAIS:
Orh......always thought guards were heavy inf like erm...... marines?...opps mine bad.......
I should clarify that Infantry are heavier than Guards in concept (they operate with more support from other arms) but not in equipment.
Except for 2 SIR since last year, every Infantry battalion has been mobile by tonner and their own two feet.
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Originally posted by alize:
Except for 2 SIR since last year, every Infantry battalion has been mobile by tonner and their own two feet.
Since last year? Think all infantry have been mobile on their own two feet since the beginning of time. :P Won't be adverse to changing all the straight legs to mechanised infantry though. -
Yeah 2 SIR is the only Terrex ICV battalion declared ops to date. Others may follow suit if evaluation is favourable.
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Originally posted by alize:
Yeah 2 SIR is the only Terrex ICV battalion declared ops to date. Others may follow suit if evaluation is favourable.
I assume the Terrex ICV is some kinda vehicle? I suppose walking in the vegetation to the objective will be considered "old school" by the turn of this decade ...
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Wiki is your friend... Long story short, think Stryker's big brother.
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Hey man, interesting stuff from wiki:
The Singapore Armed Forces will acquire at least 135 Terrex ICVs to replace its V-200 armoured vehicles, with all active infantry and Guards battalions to begin training to operate from the vehicle in February 2010. The Second Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment, recently acquired the Terrex as part of its shift into a motorised infantry battalion.
The Indonesian Army has plans to purchase 420 units and has also expressed intent to produce the Terrex locally under license. Turkish automaker Otokar has also joined with ST Kinetics to produce the Terrex AV-82 (renamed Yavuz) for the Turkish Armed Forces.
I too agree with widely fielding the Terrex. Seen the body armor, goggles, NVGs, search lights, round corner firing devices and thrown sensors that equip them nowadays? In any case, tonners don't cut it even for moving around in one piece anymore.
The figure of >135 vehicles is definitely insufficient to fully equip all infantry battalions, even just NSF ones. Either a battalion will be partially equipped with Terrex, or some battalions will not be motorised (6, 8, 9 SIR = POI battalions) or both.
Anyway, SAF chooses to call them "motorized infantry" and it's an "Infantry Carrier Vehicle".
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SAF has been diversifying in unit and platform types and will continue to do so.
As NSFs are channeled to fill these new units, and with falling birth rates, fewer may serve in Infantry. SAF may have to rely on reservists till older age to fill Infantry jobs hence the Terrex may be useful.
Maybe our reservist obligations will be extended one day?