Taiwan NS= 4 months only
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you think Singapore got so many regulars meh then got airforce navy army split split split by the time finish army only got 1 batallion left got so many regulars mindef already tao cho already Maybe if I put something in his language and left out punctuation and capital letters, he might be able to understand better And thermo can't see through walls. Standard issue for my unit. The x-ray vision in movies are special effects.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
you think Singapore got so many regulars meh then got airforce navy army split split split by the time finish army only got 1 batallion left got so many regulars mindef already tao cho already
Maybe if I put something in his language and left out punctuation and capital letters, he might be able to understand better
And thermo can’t see through walls. Standard issue for my unit. The x-ray vision in movies are special effects.
u have x amount of males going into reservist no matter how short or long an ns might be............those are the bulk who would defend spore.the nsf might be small as compared to the entire reservist units.
regular is good and it still is if the folks at top could budget it well to allow them to stay on like the americans or developed world armies.
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Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:
as i have said,there will be NS shorter but its still there. ns reservist duty as well...so what do u mean by no more ns????i have said this many times to train them and $$ channeled to professional regular forces who are willing to sacrfice 10 years in ns.the $$$$ saved up from having less conscription would be used to train the bodies and bulk the soldiers for close quarter combat as well as buying more war like weapons and body armour to high tech hand held devices that can see thru brick walls as seen in current wars.NS that is too short to be of deterrence value emboldens the enemies and raise the possibilities for tension, conflict and war.
defence budget is not a problem for singapore economy. we can afford any weapon available in the market.
what is critical is the heartware, the citizens committment to defence is at the very core of our national defence.
NS ensure that every family participates and is an integral part of singapore's overall defence, any agressor who wants to challenge singapore must recognize that a war against singapore isnt about taking on 500,000 NSmen, but is effectively fighting against EVERY single singapore family.
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Originally posted by Hitman Factory 1:
that not thermo.!portable handheld x-ray devices to locate human behind walls are being used in current war.i recall a local scientist won a defence award for see through wall scanner .... approx. 10 years ago.
its in the local news as well... someone can dig it up?
found it.. but its a newer version, seems that it has gone one step further, passive through the wall scanner...
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/dtp/dtp2007/exhibition.html
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Through-the-wall detections have many vital applications, including the potential to conduct surveillance through walls and the ability to detect the presence of living people behind doors or other barriers. These covert surveillances and personnel detections are of high interest to both the Defense Department in urban warfare applications as well as Home Affairs Department for civilian law enforcement applications.
This research work assesses the feasibility of using passive signals (ambient electromagnetic fields for communication and broadcast services) as the transmission of opportunity in the through-the-wall motion detection passive radar. In particular, this novel passive radar technique allows for target detection (and possibly localization) on the other side of the non-metallic wall at dramatically lower cost and much portability as compared to existing ultra-wideband through-the-wall active radar. For this purpose, a low-cost prototype through-the-wall passive radar receiver system was designed and implemented.
Experimental trials to validate the feasibility of motion detection through the wall were conducted using existing Communication and Broadcast transmissions where using either passive signal, the Doppler frequency trace profile of the cooperative human inside an enclosed room corresponding to him walking to and from the brick wall can be prominently tracked. These encouraging results definitely path the way for more thorough and in-depth research into this novel ground breaking through-the-wall passive surveillance radar technology.-----------------------------------
an earlier report in 2006, with a photo of the device...
http://www.dso.org.sg/news_details.aspx?news_sid=20090320322933396839
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It's a demonstrator project, still pre-prototype stage, and it's parent weighs 10kg, hard to fit something that heavy onto a helmet. Hitman, my NS courses were Assault Boat, Terminal Air Guidance, Vehicle training, Comms training, Medical course, Combat survival, Escape and evasion, Vehicle identificaton, demolitions, engineering, rappeling, basic military structure (NATO and Warsaw Pact) AND my specialization which I won't divulge here. You try to fit that all into 4 months and find the practice time to get familiar with it too AND add a physical fitness program to it too. I'm betting it's not going to happen. And this is the short list, I'm sure I forgot some courses. Like Chemical Defence...
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Is there anyway to like speed up BMT, and at the same time also speed up the process to teach all the necessity lessons?
Sorry not in a front-line unit thats why I personally also do feel NS should be shorterned.
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Originally posted by tripwire:
NS that is too short to be of deterrence value emboldens the enemies and raise the possibilities for tension, conflict and war.
defence budget is not a problem for singapore economy. we can afford any weapon available in the market.
what is critical is the heartware, the citizens committment to defence is at the very core of our national defence.
NS ensure that every family participates and is an integral part of singapore's overall defence, any agressor who wants to challenge singapore must recognize that a war against singapore isnt about taking on 500,000 NSmen, but is effectively fighting against EVERY single singapore family.
hmmm...at last !someone who can do a meaningful discussion and debate without resulting in death threats and shouting banzai in here.
the weapons u can afford are not exactly deadly in the context like a minigun that spews a million rounds per minute at a company of soldiers nor weapons of more extremities.the real curtting edge weapons would not be sold cheaply and cant be afforded as they themeselves are secrets in thnat country of make.small arms would be affordable but when dealing with enemy using flamethrowers and other newer weapons by enemy irregardles if they are norwegian or china army..the spore is but only a deterent.its rather using the same weapon as any country thats developed.but if u were to fight with say a german army..im not sure spore could win in a small battle in a town.why??
firstly asian troops tend lack muscles as they are of asian size which would be fatal in a hand to hand combat with european or other races who have more muscle mass per inch on their body.
secondly most humans dismiss that they could allways rely on sheer mass to envelope the enemy which close to suicidal .the enemy may have 100 million soldiers and u may have every kid and granny given conventionalbazookas it will still be futile.
3rdly from historical lessons obtained from the decimated japanese army with the australians in ww2.much was learnt that an army made from fokks who hail from samurai districts would be wiped out completely by kids and farmers armed with submachine guns.the cutting edge weapons for the japs were only the conventional ariska rifles which the japs claimed was more than enough for any battle.the rifle was poor in fire power to the submachineguns that the untrained australian kids were using against seasoned jap soldiers in the jungles.the main aim was to kill as many as possible and the japs just couldnt grasp it and whats worse that no technology was ever used by the japs to transport their troops to fight in kokoda.the japs were to satisfied with the weapons they had until they saw what kids with portable machine guns did to their precious battalion.and a japanese commando equivalent unit at that!90% were killed off against aussie kids n fat farmers armed with better weapons than the japs.the m4 ...or any rifle is about the same equivalent as there are much more deadlier weapons .
commitement to defence is one thing....but defeat after commitment is unforgiveable.the choice of weapons and plans should be planned effectively or else spore might suffer the same fate as those unfortunate japanese commandoes who fought against aussie kids n fat men with tommy guns.
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... he's still not a military savy person. You do realise the "million round per minute" gun is the Redback/Metal Storm? By Metal Storm/STK?... We can't afford it and it's top secret? From it's own manufacturers? "secondly most humans dismiss that they could allways rely on sheer mass to envelope the enemy which close to suicidal .the enemy may have 100 million soldiers and u may have every kid and granny given conventionalbazookas it will still be futile." Tell that to the Japs who charged American 15-pounder guns with canister at Guadalcanal or the Israelis who got pinned by massed RPG-fire during Cast Lead. 100 million soldiers? That's a well thought out number. Not. You pissed off the Russians and the US at the same time? With the Chinese for good measure? Knowing you, it's a possibility. For a yardstick comparison, the whole US army only numbers half a million active combat troops, the Russians 1.03, the Chinese about 2.2M in total. Where does anyone hit one hundred million? And against even 2.2M, a serious conscription of Singaporean personel might be able to scratch up a force within shouting distance of it, so it's not totally hopeless. Unlike Hitman.
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Originally posted by Y_Shun:
Is there anyway to like speed up BMT, and at the same time also speed up the process to teach all the necessity lessons?
Sorry not in a front-line unit thats why I personally also do feel NS should be shorterned.
Its not BMT that is important...to me, it was the training for specific vocations that was the most important.
And even after the training, adjusting to unit life is also part of the learning process.
It took yours truly more than a year to settle down and not knowing what to do when circumstances dictate can get me killed.
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Agreed, BMT was the bare basic, nothing more. There was still ACT, SISPEC/SAFTI and vocation schools, not to mention the specific physical fitness regime needed for specific jobs, like swim training for divers, endurance training for long range scouts etc. Have to admit though, it was fun and funny at times. I'll never forget my demo lessons when the instructor was demonstrating an improvised door breeching charge, the one using socks to carry TNT flakes. "You place it around the doorknob like this, then after it blows, you can kick the door open." *Boom!!* "Sir, you said kick the door open, which piece do we kick? That one, that one or that one?" :P Too much TNT. lol
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Although I would like to see NS shortened (I believe it is long because of organisational shortcomings), I think BMT has been on a long downward slide that needs to be reversed.
First they shortened it from 10 to 9 weeks. Then they hitman-ized it by cutting field camp to currently 5 days with Sit test included (*Sit test does not apply to hitman). 5 days is hardly enough to pick up any meaningful tactical skills or field discipline.
If the idea is to leave infantry training for AIT, non-infantry vocationalists will learn almost nothing and will be quite helpless in any tactical situation. Which might be considered acceptable, but BMT might as well be shortened to a month. Because nothing of value is being taught in those 9 weeks, the training hours wasted on fussing with the iPads do not count. Otherwise make it what it used to be and teach something useful.
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And don't get me started on Aunties washing your plates for you. NS is supposed to be a rite of passage when Singaporean boys grow up to be men. "Auntie,can wash plate for me?" simply does NOT jive with this image. Yes, you may say the time may be better spent elsewhere, but where's the learning of responsibility? Of caring for your own stuff like your mess tray and utensils, the MOST basic items? Or is this a carry over of "Mommy wash my plates?" or "Maid, wash this for me?" Either way, washing your own basic stuff is NOT time wasted, it teaches you something important. Hitman's SIT was changed to IMMEDIATE CASTRATION-BREEDING DANGER.
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I suspect the reason they did away with the tray washing was too many food poisoning cases. If the trays were as "clean" as our mess tins it wouldn't be surprising.
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If the kiddies got food poisoning from their own trays that they were supposed to wash, I'd say they deserve it and it's an amazing object lesson lol. Unless they wanted MC in the 1st place. Which is also possible. That is why we have inspections and confinement.
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Originally posted by alize:
Although I would like to see NS shortened (I believe it is long because of organisational shortcomings), I think BMT has been on a long downward slide that needs to be reversed.
First they shortened it from 10 to 9 weeks. Then they hitman-ized it by cutting field camp to currently 5 days with Sit test included (*Sit test does not apply to hitman). 5 days is hardly enough to pick up any meaningful tactical skills or field discipline.
If the idea is to leave infantry training for AIT, non-infantry vocationalists will learn almost nothing and will be quite helpless in any tactical situation. Which might be considered acceptable, but BMT might as well be shortened to a month. Because nothing of value is being taught in those 9 weeks, the training hours wasted on fussing with the iPads do not count. Otherwise make it what it used to be and teach something useful.
gentlemen!u are supposeed to be educated people who are able to think rationally instead of yelling banzai in a shopping centre and taking great pains in protecting their precious bubble of sorrow that was thrusted upon them.
most 12 year old boy scouts did field camps for weeks in a jungle swamp in monsoon weather and its elements with no electricity,cheaply and with no army support.why u all making so much noise over a 5 day field camping with mindef support?u folks are soft from the start without realising or being able to cope with it.sit test???if sit test could be translated to real life...spore wouldnt be a place where bank interests is negligible and train stations falling apart and orchard road being flooded.it all isnt working or have no connection with real life situations really.so dun pin yer hopes on sit tests....
if u need to be commandoes ,pilots,special forces unit....im afraid that cant be done and fully utilised on a mere 2 year or 1 year ns stint.it should have been a 3 year ns instead for trainings that need more than a year of training condensed or otherwise..in which case u should simply sign on as a regular if u need badly to be a commando or special forces.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
And don’t get me started on Aunties washing your plates for you. NS is supposed to be a rite of passage when Singaporean boys grow up to be men. “Auntie,can wash plate for me?” simply does NOT jive with this image. Yes, you may say the time may be better spent elsewhere, but where’s the learning of responsibility? Of caring for your own stuff like your mess tray and utensils, the MOST basic items? Or is this a carry over of “Mommy wash my plates?” or “Maid, wash this for me?” Either way, washing your own basic stuff is NOT time wasted, it teaches you something important.
Hitman’s SIT was changed to IMMEDIATE CASTRATION-BREEDING DANGER.
on contrary,its u who should be IMMEDIATE CASTRATION-BREEDING DANGER.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
It’s a demonstrator project, still pre-prototype stage, and it’s parent weighs 10kg, hard to fit something that heavy onto a helmet.
Hitman, my NS courses were Assault Boat, Terminal Air Guidance, Vehicle training, Comms training, Medical course, Combat survival, Escape and evasion, Vehicle identificaton, demolitions, engineering, rappeling, basic military structure (NATO and Warsaw Pact) AND my specialization which I won’t divulge here. You try to fit that all into 4 months and find the practice time to get familiar with it too AND add a physical fitness program to it too. I’m betting it’s not going to happen.
And this is the short list, I’m sure I forgot some courses. Like Chemical Defence…
its supposed to be hand held like a mine detector and not it being fitted to your helmet.are you sure u are alright???did you ever went for deep sea diving in the past??
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... he thinks holding 10kg like a mine detector's practical... Uncle, that's like holding a bag of rice. You go try it, then come tell us if it's workable. And you need it helmet mounted, unless you want to be holding it instead of your rifle in a hostile zone. I suppose you can use it as a club if the enemy gets too close, though I bet you'll be full of 5.56 holes by that time. Seriously no imagination and predictive ability. I'd love an op-force like you, they'll all be holding extra heavy detectors and not rifles while people gun you down with simple P227s. And just because you sign on doesn't make you a CDO or pilot, many regulars end up in sai kang infantry units to hold hands of crap soldiers like Hitman. Which makes him a drain on resources. And I'd love to see the Boy Scout unit that camped for weeks in monsoon conditions. They were also 8 feet tall and can pluck trees out with one hand right? Hitman=lots of hyperbole, little real infomation. Like his brain, all hot air, no real info in there.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
... he’s still not a military savy person.
You do realise the “million round per minute” gun is the Redback/Metal Storm?
By Metal Storm/STK?... We can’t afford it and it’s top secret? From it’s own manufacturers?
“secondly most humans dismiss that they could allways rely on sheer mass to envelope the enemy which close to suicidal .the enemy may have 100 million soldiers and u may have every kid and granny given conventionalbazookas it will still be futile.”
Tell that to the Japs who charged American 15-pounder guns with canister at Guadalcanal or the Israelis who got pinned by massed RPG-fire during Cast Lead. 100 million soldiers? That’s a well thought out number. Not. You pissed off the Russians and the US at the same time? With the Chinese for good measure? Knowing you, it’s a possibility.
For a yardstick comparison, the whole US army only numbers half a million active combat troops, the Russians 1.03, the Chinese about 2.2M in total. Where does anyone hit one hundred million?
And against even 2.2M, a serious conscription of Singaporean personel might be able to scratch up a force within shouting distance of it, so it’s not totally hopeless. Unlike Hitman.
if im not military savy then why am i correcting you on military items from "x ray vision" used in current wars that u mistook as science fiction from movies?if im not military savy then i should say u are worse off!best u go do what they trained u as and leave this technological side iof things to me once again.
im not refering to firestorm never did.
what about guadalcanal?thats not an accurate model in the technology to troop quantity.lets take the sino japanese war...the level of chinese to jap weapons tech were on par .....chinese had more troops than japs....yet they fell???how come??maybe the chinese had too little advanced weapons of its days like planes and ships .depending on its circumstances the number of people u have in sg might be insufficient to fight with any of its neighbours.currently u may think a million soldiers is what the max amount of soldiers in x country has.when war comes that million soldier may rise suddenly to 10 million.and even if u handed a rilfle to foreign workers to fight against invading country and think your sheer numbers in country is superior.....then be warned that the enemy could arm teenagers with weapons n give them a uniform to wear...so your"sheer "numbers is still a flawed number as compared to invading country.technology will solve the deficiencies of sheer numbers,so what u see in the statistics of x country is only good at that time u read it.u need practical and intelligent people to know what im talking about.
your statistics on the amount of russian soldiers and american soldiers are warped.what about the soldiers who died in ww2?was it 100 million dead soldiers??or was it 50 million dead soldiers?soldiers can be drafted in suddenly so 1 mil in a certain army can be 3 million as seen in ww2 and before ww2.
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#$$$$$ could be saved in ns trainings duration and channelled to technology or even better be invested somewhere else.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
... he thinks holding 10kg like a mine detector’s practical…
Uncle, that’s like holding a bag of rice. You go try it, then come tell us if it’s workable. And you need it helmet mounted, unless you want to be holding it instead of your rifle in a hostile zone. I suppose you can use it as a club if the enemy gets too close, though I bet you’ll be full of 5.56 holes by that time.
Seriously no imagination and predictive ability. I’d love an op-force like you, they’ll all be holding extra heavy detectors and not rifles while people gun you down with simple P227s.
And just because you sign on doesn’t make you a CDO or pilot, many regulars end up in sai kang infantry units to hold hands of crap soldiers like Hitman. Which makes him a drain on resources.
And I’d love to see the Boy Scout unit that camped for weeks in monsoon conditions. They were also 8 feet tall and can pluck trees out with one hand right?
Hitman=lots of hyperbole, little real infomation. Like his brain, all hot air, no real info in there.
if the american soldiers could do it?why cant u?u see,......thats where my doubts on you ever doing NS comes into place.i believe if u have really done the things in yoiur course,u wouldnt be asking me about a 10kg being used next to a building enclosure.
no i wasnt a drain on resources.in fact i helped the military and the economy greatly.even LKY was there to marvel at the places i had worked in.
u still dont believe boy scouts could camp out??well ask the scout masters in some secondary school..u bound to come across some who are sleeping on sarimbun island.
naw....me thinks u cant take the truth.just dont go to war like that.
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You yourself were comparing that American soldiers were bigger than us, forget so soon? Alzeimers? And I know for a fact that even American soldiers don't carry 10kg detectors into insurgent zones, too bulky. It's for hostage situations where you have time to set up a static array. Firestorm lol, get it right you drooling idiot. It's Metal Storm, and don't tell me "it's the other one", there is only one weapon with that performance bracket. You still fighting WWII is it? Go wiki the active personel for the countries, see if it's accurate. And we don't use X-ray. We use thermal, good to see through foilage and trees, not through walls. X-ray is still experimental. Thermal is in field and in use, not stuck in theoryland. You used one before? I doubt it. You're a "Zhi Shang Tan Bing" (Talk soldiering on paper) kind of idiot who'll die as cannon fodder in war. I can't see any army using you in any meaningful task without serious risk of stupidity happening.
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
You yourself were comparing that American soldiers were bigger than us, forget so soon? Alzeimers? And I know for a fact that even American soldiers don’t carry 10kg detectors into insurgent zones, too bulky. It’s for hostage situations where you have time to set up a static array.
Firestorm lol, get it right you drooling idiot. It’s Metal Storm, and don’t tell me “it’s the other one”, there is only one weapon with that performance bracket.
You still fighting WWII is it? Go wiki the active personel for the countries, see if it’s accurate.
And we don’t use X-ray. We use thermal, good to see through foilage and trees, not through walls. X-ray is still experimental. Thermal is in field and in use, not stuck in theoryland. You used one before? I doubt it. You’re a “Zhi Shang Tan Bing” (Talk soldiering on paper) kind of idiot who’ll die as cannon fodder in war. I can’t see any army using you in any meaningful task without serious risk of stupidity happening.
well..now u admit americans are bigger n stronger than sporean soldiers???well what the pointof having 2 years ns then?????just skip some trainings in that case.i wasnt talking about a gorilla if they have in spore holding a 10kg equipment..obviously u havent been to enough trainings n need to ask me how u going to handle a 10kg weight??!!thats where i doubt you ever had entered ns.and how do u know if americans use or didnt use the 10kg detectors in a war when u thought it was science fiction gizmo until me and tripwire showed u that they do really exist in real life!if u didnt know those detectors existed initially then high chance u didnt know if they were ever used or not.of course u use thermal!!!the $$$$$ that should have been used to buy those "x-ray"equipment was squandered away on trainings that shouldnt be.even though it was made in spore 10 years ago it was left to progress too slow due to money channleed to expensive and unnecesary trainings for ns conscription.the contracts could be made from saved $$$$$ from ns to ask DSO to continue their work 10 years ago to make it lighter.......but folks like u need commando training for 2 or 2.5 years which would see the xray goggles like a distant wish.
and this is firestorm which is the same stuff as metal storm>>>
ww2,,,napoleonic wars..tsun tzu art of wars.....is relavent because thats what generals study and use.no one use wiki for those decsions making process.....they have intellihgence units...or did they channel the $$$$$ to ns conscription n squandered it?
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
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Originally posted by Underpaid:
And don’t get me started on Aunties washing your plates for you. NS is supposed to be a rite of passage when Singaporean boys grow up to be men. “Auntie,can wash plate for me?” simply does NOT jive with this image. Yes, you may say the time may be better spent elsewhere, but where’s the learning of responsibility? Of caring for your own stuff like your mess tray and utensils, the MOST basic items? Or is this a carry over of “Mommy wash my plates?” or “Maid, wash this for me?” Either way, washing your own basic stuff is NOT time wasted, it teaches you something important.
Hitman’s SIT was changed to IMMEDIATE CASTRATION-BREEDING DANGER.
It depends on unit.
Mine had FTs to clean up everyday for us including toilets, and on normal days, plates and utensils not washed by our own, but by a specialised person.
Dream unit huh?
