If Indonesia wages war on Spore, what is the likely outcome?
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its like saying your love being taken advantage by an ang moh...because of his size or might...we rather leave it and run....
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unto this last - we must protect
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Originally posted by tripwire:
Who called FPDA a military alliance? Britain withdrew permanent forces for cost reasons and deliberately did not make FPDA a binding agreement. Are you stupid? Where did I say FPDA is a military alliance?
guess wat... who is the one that has been YELLING protection under the FPDA, join forces under the FPDA, and that nonsense that FPDA was aim at indonesia, read your own post again from the top of this page.
If Malaysia, Australia and Philippines are on the same team, why should Australia allow Malaysia to invoke FPDA in a dispute with the Philippines? Nevertheless Australia sees fit defend West Malaysia- how come?
nonsense!! not to mention the FACT that there is NO clause under FPDA for malaysia to invoke in its dispute against phillipine, need i remind you that philipine has USA backing, or do you think australia is gonna take on USA+phillipine for malaysia's butt sake? hahahaaa
If you take Jakarta's comments to mean that Indonesia has no objection to the FPDA, and is not trying to save face since it can't do anything about it, let it be.
dont humour me... Jakarta aint as dumb as you think, the fact the FPDA is OFFICIALLY a LOOSELY CONSULTATIVE POLITICAL FRAMEWORK and its exclusion of EAST malaysia under the FPDA framework should be clear indication of the FACT of our desire not to form a military alliance against anyone, therefore FPDA sure as hell is not a military alliance with indonesia as the target!
only problem is that you have been dreaming so long in LALA land, you are in self denial of the critical reality.
"The White Paper announced an intention to stay in Singapore under "acceptable conditions," as long as the Governments of Singapore and Malaysia want them to. Hopes are expressed that an end to the confrontation between Indonesia and Malaysia may enable Britain to withdraw some of 40,000 now stationed in Malaysia.
and your purpose in stating an unrelated point is? dont try to fudge the issue with irrelevant quotes. the brits for all intent obviously would like to withdraw its troops from malaysia since the indonesian konfrontasi is at an end....
but the undenialable fact of the matter is, by 1966 the brits were more concerned over a potential conflict between singapore and malaysia eversince singapore was separated from malaysia in less then friendly situation.
it was well known back then, tunku abdul rahman told the brits his intention to force singapore to toe malaysia's line by threatening to turn off the water tap. and in LKY latest memoir, he spoke of the fact that even though he was the PM of an independent singapore, in the begining he was literary place under malaysian army "guard" and his daily schedule such as cabinet meeting are being dictated by KL until the brits came to save his ass.
furthermore, its a well known fact then, that the british army presence in singapore was the only thing that ensured singapore's independence and prevented LKY chestnut from being roasted over the KL bonfire.
Now you are claiming FPDA is meant to contain Malaysia. Lagi best! Why not 4PDA to protect Singapore only?
as i said, the purpose is to put a leash over malaysia, what better way is there to keep malaysia under the leash then to have malaysia become part of the "consultative body"?? just use your brain and think lah... if you still have any left.
were a 4PDA form just to protect singapore, malaysia would go amok and went on a emotional rampage and slam their heads into the wall, smokes will come out right from their ass, how is that gonna be beneficial to singapore security or keeping malaysia under leash?? hahahaaaa....
And it's funny you would rather trust Indonesia than trust Malaysia in war. Yeah, the US would've put an arms embargo on Msia, not Indonesia if you were right.
and you think that US who put an arms ambargo on indonesia would not dare to do the same to malaysia should malaysia fail to bend over every american demand????
you must be smoking with your ear... haahahaaa..... or you really think for one second that US fears malaysia more then they fear indonesia??? hahahahahaaa.......
Pure cock and bull. You mean the Mal-Indo declaration of the end of Konfrontasi on 28 May 1966? Sukarno started Kon against Malaysia in 1962, not Singapore which was not independent. In any case, "Formal relations between Singapore and Indonesia began with the establishment of a Singapore Liaison Office in December 1966. Both countries agreed to establish formal diplomatic relations at Ambassadorial level from 7 September 1967. (quote Sg govt)"
yeah... LKY is cock and bull, because he wrote that in his memoir, that he found out about the end of konfrontasi from the newspaper, and suddenly realised that now konfrontasi is between singapore and indonesia only, malaysia has conviently abandoned us and negotiated a settlement with indonesia without us.
lucky for us, indonesia suharto was willing to live and let live... or we would be truely in a bind, thanks to malaysia.
There are only two things in this forum that rile you up: Malaysia and me.
You on your own can't dream of beating either. Only dream of beating off.
dont think too highly of yourself...
Yeah... You think Australia won't support Malaysia in a territorial dispute with Philippines, because it would incur USA's wrath? And the Tunku kicked Singapore out because he wanted to invade it later?
You are getting better and better. Let's continue this and see what further wisdom you have in store! You're in this mess all because you committed yourself hopelessly to maintaining that the FPDA isn't directed at Indonesia, or better yet, at Malaysia instead.
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Originally posted by tripwire:
There are only two things in this forum that rile you up: Malaysia and me.
You on your own can't dream of beating either. Only dream of beating off.
dont think too highly of yourself...
I never what...
You accusing me of imaginary things again...
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TNI buying 24 used F-16C/Ds for US$750m
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2011/Indonesia_11-48.pdf
Basically everything that RSAF F-16s have (or its equivalent) minus the missiles. No radar upgrades are indicated nor any missile sales appear to be included.
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Msia is looking at 18 more Su-30s too and some guided weapons.
Imagine if Indon and Msia have an air war, it might look like Ethiopia and Eritrea going at each other.
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Originally posted by alize:
Msia is looking at 18 more Su-30s too and some guided weapons.
Imagine if Indon and Msia have an air war, it might look like Ethiopia and Eritrea going at each other.
Air war....hmmmmm
where can we run to? what if the bomb hits us?
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^ an Indonesian
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i am born and breed in SG. so are my parents.
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Originally posted by alize:
Msia is looking at 18 more Su-30s too and some guided weapons.
Imagine if Indon and Msia have an air war, it might look like Ethiopia and Eritrea going at each other.
malaysia no money to buy 18 more SU-30, their defence minister already clarified that part.
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Originally posted by Jiani:
Air war....hmmmmm
where can we run to? what if the bomb hits us?
dont worry, if they are truely shooting each other, the last thing they want is to poke the wasp nest. they will stay far far from us...
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Originally posted by Jiani:
Air war....hmmmmm
where can we run to? what if the bomb hits us?
Better run to Pulau Uin. That island would be the safest in Singapore when bombs start dropping.
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We take batam and bintam ha hahahaha.
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Originally posted by Jiani:
Air war....hmmmmm
where can we run to? what if the bomb hits us?
�妹妹， you never enter underground MRT station before is it......
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Economies today are no longer like in the days of past wars. There's too much inter-linked economic interests among south east asian countries.
War among EU nations and America? War in ASEAN? War between China and Taiwan? Not bloody likely. The relevance of today's militaries will have to be looked at in a different light.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
�妹妹， you never enter underground MRT station before is it......
depends lor.
if its a nuclear war, we would
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
�妹妹， you never enter underground MRT station before is it......
depends lor.
if its a nuclear war, we would be cooked under the bomb.
underground MRT tooo small too.
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All right, who was the "genius" who unlocked this thread? :P And the idiot who uses a nuke on Singapore deserves to get half the world pissed off at him. Maybe more than half, Malaysia and Indonesia would be majorly pissed off, and the rest won't be too happy when the abovementioned idiot irradiates the only resonable major shipping lane between east and west. The other possible route is through the Straits of Bencoolan through Indonesia, and playing "dodge the islands" through there with a supertanker is no joke.
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NK have nuke bombs.
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And no delivery system that can reach us. DHL is American. :P
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I am inclined to believe that this is an impossibility.
It is a well known fact that Singapore is useless. Us singaporeans have heard of this phrase umpteen times, "Singapore has virtually no natural resources". While it is true that Singapore has one of the strongest economy in the world, what gave rise to that is a stable government which brought in foreign direct investments, entrepot trade and tourism. Given these parameters of Singapore's successes, it is extremely naive to believe that the Indonesian government would want to waste their resources to capture a nation which, after annexation, would lose all its value, as tourism, entrepot trade and foreign direct investment would be completely withdrawn from the Indonesian Singapore, when the key element of stability is lost.
In conclusion, I believe that an invasion would be utterly implausible given that there can be no real value to it.
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
I am inclined to believe that this is an impossibility.
It is a well known fact that Singapore is useless. Us singaporeans have heard of this phrase umpteen times, "Singapore has virtually no natural resources". While it is true that Singapore has one of the strongest economy in the world, what gave rise to that is a stable government which brought in foreign direct investments, entrepot trade and tourism. Given these parameters of Singapore's successes, it is extremely naive to believe that the Indonesian government would want to waste their resources to capture a nation which, after annexation, would lose all its value, as tourism, entrepot trade and foreign direct investment would be completely withdrawn from the Indonesian Singapore, when the key element of stability is lost.
In conclusion, I believe that an invasion would be utterly implausible given that there can be no real value to it.
well said. no point invading singapore.
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Originally posted by Ote1983:
I am inclined to believe that this is an impossibility.
It is a well known fact that Singapore is useless. Us singaporeans have heard of this phrase umpteen times, "Singapore has virtually no natural resources". While it is true that Singapore has one of the strongest economy in the world, what gave rise to that is a stable government which brought in foreign direct investments, entrepot trade and tourism. Given these parameters of Singapore's successes, it is extremely naive to believe that the Indonesian government would want to waste their resources to capture a nation which, after annexation, would lose all its value, as tourism, entrepot trade and foreign direct investment would be completely withdrawn from the Indonesian Singapore, when the key element of stability is lost.
In conclusion, I believe that an invasion would be utterly implausible given that there can be no real value to it.
yup makes sense.spore has neither oil like indonesia or fertile land.
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Outcome: Singapore camp in bomb shettler
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But big problem is that Singapore is a chokepoint, we're the only 1 of 2 routes connecting East and West (Well, 3 if you went through the Atlantic), half the world's oil passes through/by us. Imagine how much you can charge for toll. Oh sorry, Indonesians call it "processing fee". And we're the only non-muslim country in the huge chunk of "Greenland", the indo-extremists have been calling for an Islam caliphnate since independence, sore spot in their eye. And their accusations of us harbouring their "corrupt businessmen", especially those fleeing the Jakata anti-chinese riots are designed to turn their population against us and away from their government. So I'd say it's not totally impossible, just not very likely at the moment, but who knows in the future? Hope not though, the loss of life on both sides have the potential to be very high.