Inadequate SAF Small Arms Sights
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Underpaid, if you r in charge of a heavy weapons platoon, it is your job & responsibilty to ensure your men know the capabilities & limitations of their weapons. You are clearly Overpaid if you as a leader did not teach your men adequately.
Skimming posts ? Please clarify.
I am level headed and have absolute clarity in my train of thought. Comprehension is one of my strong traits. I am sure that you are teh one who is does not comprehend.
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Underpaid, your lack of comprehension is so obvious when you intepret my statement that “ I am very proficient in handling the SAF weapons I am assigned to” and equate typewriters to weapons.
No innuendo or slander just questions - so you only when thru BMT right ? And you were an army clerk right ?
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Hi Underpaid,
You can tune it down to the infra-red
If so, then where are the NVGs for this to work ?
Officially, all SAF soldiers will be equiped with L3 Kevlar Vests in times of war, but you don't often see them, only in rare cases like the hunt for Mas S. or that case where robbers escaped to Tekong with a pistol. Look through the old ST photos, you'll find some soldiers wearing vests, that was supposed to be our war attire. Same with the NV monocles.
So what are you saying ? That SAF does not train as it will fight ?
If all SAF riflemen have an attitude like SEPECAT, we need more crematoriums. Besides, if my team does get ambushed, approximate life expectency is about 2 mins. Not joking here. We just do not have the bodies to take casualties and retain fighting capability and by the time that damn smoke grenade goes off, chances are high we'll be dead. Which brings me to another pet peve of mine, short fuse smoke grenades...
To the contrary, if SAF riflemen have the best training equipment & training, both of which I am advocating, it will be the enemy who has to build many more crematoriums & cemeteries.
Your statements are unrefutable proof that Underpaid does not have the mindset of the war fighting man. In war, expect to be ambushed & expect to take casualties but on the flip side make sure the enemy is ambushed very much more often and takes on very many more casualties than friendly forces. And you will really need your small arms skills & weapons at hand to beat back that ambush. What happened to the battalion, brigade, division & air force assets ? Can’t call for that arty or air strike in this situation right ?
Have you ever wondered that it cud be you who are too slow in throwing the smoke grenade rather than the grenade having a short fuze ?
"So you are also saying that SAF infantry men are all not up to standard. So what does a rifleman in an SIR unit do for 2 years during NS ?"
Eat and sleep like all the rest of the NS boys. :P Did my ACT in 2 SIR before being co-opted to... other things. Dare you to say I'm wrong, especially when I'm the personal eyewitness.
Wow, it was that obvious for 2SIR to realize that you cud never be a rifleman that they shipped you out so fast ? It must have been the slow reflexes displayed at smoke grenade throwing or did you in fact let go of a smoke grenade in the battalion CP ?
Just because you were an idle king does not mean that others are too. I have definitely seen more committment in NS men than you have .
"For your enlightenment, these modern optics are designed & built to be as soldier proof as possible. They are probably built tougher than you."
You obviously havn't met any idiot who oiled a scope before. And yes, that happened at a range where me and my unit were doing a SAR21 conversion, a unit mate kept missing, which was very strange, our shooting is never THAT bad. We found the last NSF guy to store the rifle must have oiled the sights, besides being blurry, the parallex was off due to refraction off a thin layer of oil on the lens. That is the kind of "maintainance" your sights are going to see in a unit. Things are soldier proof until they hit idiots, idiot proof until they hit fools and foolproof until they hit soldiers. Get used to it. Not everyone has a degree and thinks like professors, we need to cater for the ground level idiots too. Like...
One does not need to have a degree to know that you don’t oil optics. Don’t blame the soldier ; blame the leaders whose job it is to ensure that this does not happen. There is no such thing as a bad soldier, only bad generals.
BTW, SEPECAT, what's the difference between our SAR scope and say... the aimpoint system you were pedelling?
Now we are talking ! See what I mean, you guys have never seen or used one to appreciate why each rifleman shud have one.
Like I said, there are a few types & I do not work or represent any of those below.
http://www.aimpoint.com/products/whyreddotsight/
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/community/video.php
http://www.eotech-inc.com/page.php?id=8
1X Aimpoint red dot & similar sights are parallax free. The dot naturally draws the shooter to align the dot to the target. If already zeroed & applying the fundamentals of shooting ( same as with all sights whether iron or not ), where the dot is is where the round hits. The dot need not be in centre of scope & you can have two eyes open. The end result when using this sight is very rapid target acquisition & accuracy which completely outmatches iron sights especially at short ranges.
Magnified sights can also be used at shorter ranges but cannot beat 1X at short ranges in terms of speed. But mag sights say 2X to 4X obviously make hitting targets out to 300 to 400 m easier. They also have illuminated dots in the sight reticule. They also usually have range marks which enables the shooter to hit longer range targets since these are in fact aiming marks for the various ranges. And putting these mag sights on SAWs, GPMGs & 84s will clearly make for a very bad day for the enemy.
And of course all these sights are passive and can be used in low light & night conditions. So long as you know where the dot is , thats where your round will hit.
Then you have the variable mag sights but these are very much more costly & less robust than fixed mag sights. But then you enjoy the best of both worlds in one package.
Edited by Underpaid 17 Feb `11, 8:20PM
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Yeah yeah Mr walking advert. Answer me this. What's the functional difference between the Trijicon system you are so gaga about, and the SAR's optical sight? Answer: They are the bloody same thing, just that you used one in the commercial world and went gaga over it had more bells and whistles while the army one is more "plain jane". They end up giving the same capabilities sans the night illumination, which is the LAD's job.
"I am level headed and have absolute clarity in my train of thought. Comprehension is one of my strong traits. I am sure that you are teh one who is does not comprehend."
Monomania more like.
And your ad?
Point 1 is just chest thumping and a plug.
Point 2 is wrong, red dot does not compensate droppage.
The rest are just mostly promo about QC.
I'll just treat this as kid SEPECAT's brainless rant page. Careful guys, if you disagree with him, your parents were never married and you shag dogs.
SEPE, you been through BMT yet? Me and shotgun have our doubts. The way you post, you definately can't be above 25. 16 is my guess.
BTW, what unit were you with? I'm RSTA.
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Oh missed something. I'll take this slow so Mr "English is my 9th language" can understand.
About the NVGs, you asked if everyone is going to have one. Answer: Yes, in theory. Like the Kevlar vests that are supposed to be war issue. In theory. I'd love to see how good their distribution system really is if the button is pushed though.
And quit whining that the SAF doesn't train like it fights, that's obviously the case, 100 round mags-not issued, Kevlar-not issued, range 4 rounds per mag vs 30 rounds per mag warload, exercises without the full ammo load (180 rounds weigh a fair bit on a LBV), NVGs-only some units, laser targetter (TAG one, not the piddly SAR one)-not even in exercises. You still say we train with a war loadout? Which dreamland unit were you from?
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o Yeah yeah Mr walking advert. Answer me this. What's the functional difference between the Trijicon system you are so gaga about, and the SAR's optical sight? Answer: They are the bloody same thing, just that you used one in the commercial world and went gaga over it had more bells and whistles while the army one is more "plain jane". They end up giving the same capabilities sans the night illumination, which is the LAD's job.
Hey Underpaid, you still do not know the
differences between these sights and the
one on the SAR21 after I have listed them
out so clearly for you ? Kindly read them
again – a few more times perhaps.
The SAR21 sight in not by any measure
in the same class as these sights.
Trijicons, Aimpoints & the like are used in
real shooting wars & not as in your
words used in a “commercial” world –
it is the real world.
It is in fact the bells & whistles in these sights
which you yourself have identified which
make these sights far superior
than the SAR21 sight.
The SAF chose the AH64D precisely because of the
bells & whistles, otherwise we will be stuck with a
a “plain jane” AS550 with TOW missiles.
So why shud our rifleman settle for less ?
Unless you are not a true rifleman of course.
"I am level headed and have absolute clarity in my train of thought. Comprehension is one of my strong traits. I am sure that you are teh one who is does not comprehend."
Monomania more like.
“momomania” is clearly not in anyone’s vocabulary. So it is in fact a nonsensical word.
And your ad?
Point 1 is just chest thumping and a plug.
Point 2 is wrong, red dot does not compensate droppage.
They do not. The range stadia do as I had mentioned.
The rest are just mostly promo about QC.
I'll just treat this as kid SEPECAT's brainless rant page. Careful guys, if you disagree with him, your parents were never married and you shag dogs.
SEPE, you been through BMT yet? Me and shotgun have our doubts. The way you post, you definately can't be above
25. 16 is my guess.
Your above statements are the workings of a raving lunatic. It is plain for all to see.
Also, you are so lacking in confidence that you need Shotgun to come to your rescue. Please await your knight in shining armor the poor Underpaid damsel in distress.
BTW, what unit were you with? I'm RSTA.
Mine is classified.
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I call bullshit on the classified unit nonsense. You obviously have no idea what RSTA unit is do you, or you would never have pulled the "I'm classified" bullshit. Go wiki it. If I can put it here, there are VERY little units more "classified", even the LURPS I know identify themselves as such. Only more classified units that come to mind immediately are some of the SOF and the STAR. And I doubt you are either. You really never were in a unit before were you? Unless it's a NCC wannabe.
Monomania
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn 19th century psychiatry, monomania (from Greek monos, one, and mania, mania) is a single pathological preoccupation in an otherwise sound mind.[1] Emotional monomania is that in which the patient is obsessed with only one emotion or several related to it; intellectual monomania is that which is related to only one kind of delirious idea or ideas. In 1880, monomania was one of the seven recognized categories of mental illness.[2] After the 1950's monomania was no longer used as a technical term in psychology,[3] and does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.[4] However, a number of disorders once classified under monomania survive as impulse control disorders or conduct disorders or delusional disorders.
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[hide][edit] Types of monomania
Monomania may refer to:[citation needed]
- Paranoia: Delusions of persecution
- Kleptomania: Irresistible urge to steal
- Pyromania: Impulse to deliberately start fires
- Idée fixe: Domination by an overvalued idea, for example, "staying thin" in anorexia nervosa
- de Clerambault's syndrome (erotomania): Delusion that a man or woman is in love with the patient. This can occur without reinforcement or even acquaintanceship with the love object.
In general terms, many of the disorders previously classified as monomania[5][6] now are identified as varieties of impulse control, conduct, or delusional disorders.[7]
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No need for Shotgun to come out, I got my own personal one just to shoot you down. :P
Think you classify under 4)
English really is not your main language isn't it..
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- Oh missed something. I'll take this slow so Mr "English is my 9th language" can understand.
So are your comprehension is better for the first 8 languages ?
About the NVGs, you asked if everyone is going to have one. Answer: Yes, in theory. Like the Kevlar vests that are supposed to be war issue. In theory. I'd love to see how good their distribution system really is if the button is pushed though.
Your only theory is taking out the enemy by an arty or air strike just like a video game - typical juvenile thinking.
You are the one who in fact alluded that each SAF rifleman will have a NVG. You must have been dreaming during NS.
And quit whining that the SAF doesn't train like it fights, that's obviously the case, 100 round mags-not issued, Kevlar-not issued, range 4 rounds per mag vs 30 rounds per mag warload, exercises without the full ammo load (180 rounds weigh a fair bit on a LBV), NVGs-only some units, laser targetter (TAG one, not the piddly SAR one)-not even in exercises. You still say we train with a war loadout? Which dreamland unit were you from?
Stop whining ! Can t you see that the SAF does not trust wimps who cant handle a smoke grenade let alone a full 100 round mag, NVGs ?
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I can now understand why momomania has never been in my vocab.One needs to be totally immersed in this area of mental health to be even aware of the existence of such a word - and you know it !
According to Websters
Definition of MONOMANIA1: mental illness especially when limited in expression to one idea or area of thought2: excessive concentration on a single object or ideaIs'nt it apt that it probably describes your state of mind especially 1 as displayed by your limited capabilities in expression and lack of ideas ? -
Hi Weasel,
Unfortunately the SAR21 is technically not much of an
advance over the M16. In some instances it was a step
backward. Let’s hope for a much improved SAR21A.
I believe that full ACMS suite will be issued to
Section Commander and 2 I/C only & its asking
a lot from these guys to take on additional role of FO for
brigade and division assets – not practical.
More effective & efficient to have specially trained FO team with
the requisite higher performance targeting & comms equipment ,
not to mention training to do this particular job.
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Hi Weasel
o I'm not convinced that the latest sights improve effectiveness as much as claimed compared to existing, and far less below 300m where targets are already within normal visual range.
Be convinced otherwise there will not be at least half a million of them in use now in current conflicts.
As mentioned in my first post on this thread, I think good gun sights serve as recon tools as well. This is generally not needed below 300m and a good pair of binos can easily replicate this capability beyond 300m.
Indeed you will need not only binos to look at details BELOW 300 m but more so thermal imaging equipment for battlefield and night scenarios.
Snipers use spotting scopes of up to 40X and they are looking out for targets up to 800 m.
Mark1 eyeball cannot spot details at 300 m unless endowed with eagle eyesight. So you need binos to spot details. But a 4 to 6X scope will help & you will not need to carry add binos.
The suggestion for better sights is certainly far better than your earlier raam suggestion. But in the context of the SAF, they do not replace everything just like that. Even AR-15s are still in service and its replacement is still performed incrementally.
In fact they do eg A4s replaced with F15SGs.
I think if the SAF were to think the previous optical sights were sufficient, they would not have shifted production to the full length picatinny rail SAR-21A. The rail would allow for integration of other sights. In this regard, my guess is that the SAF would leverage on better sights eventually. It make sense to use the latest sights for later production models as they become available, subject to suitability. However, I doubt if this will extend into a retrofit
My point exactly. Clearly SAF realizes that SAR21 sight is less than sufficient & that’s why SAR21A will come with P rails & I suspect sights akin to the ACOGs, Aimpoints, Elcans.
I agree that there is no point in retrofitting the SAR21 – better to have all the benefits in a totally revamped SAR21A ( & hopefully very much improved ) & totally replace SAR21 and M16.
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SAR-21 was build with with objective - cheap, good and effective !!! It is basically a rojak rifle - trying to copy from different rifles. Of course rojak end up over doing it - which lead to extra weight.
Even at that time - most modern western armies also cannot affort fancy sights like ACOGs or aimpoints.
As for the sight - I would not say it is the best or the worst. Face it it is simple, effective get the job done. I think what we got is average sight - which a lot other armies still does not have.
I think SAR-21A will see a improvement from SAR-21.
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Give it up story, no point arguing with a madman. Notice that he keeps trying to make it personal by insults and slander because he don't have much else backing him up. Notice how NOBODY backed him up on the buying of the sights. I'm betting he's never been in NS, mythical "classified" unit or otherwise.
I am amused by his insistance that in war, there is never going to be an air or arty strike, only in computer games
Especially since one of my unit's functions is Forward Observer. Which also explains why it's easier for me to get arty than ammo resupply.Can someone enlighten Mr NS wannabe how long it takes for a smoke hand grenade to generate a decent screen? He obviously doesn't know.
Stop whining ! Can t you see that the SAF does not trust wimps who cant handle a smoke grenade let alone a full 100 round mag, NVGs ?
Must be talking about himself, smoke and NVGs are my standard loadout...
SAF must have great confidence in me. Where's YOUR NVG? :P
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unless i have really good scope ! - if not i cannot win - speak more of the the lack of confident in his own shooting and skill. Give him the best scope - he will still lose !!!
The world is forever coming out with better scopes and more expensive scope. You cannot be forever chasing it . Usually sensible people will go for average - to balance cost, easy of use, and availability and get right to shooting.
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Underpaid, like I said many times, your powers of comprehension are beyond rescue. To the contrary, no one has refuted the fact that these sights are very much better than the SAR21's. And clearly neither have you. But it is no surprise coming from a monomaniac like you - I just love to use new words - don't you ?
Please read my posts again. I already said that, if the rules of engagement permit and it is the best solution, by all means call for an arty or air strike. I wud too.
Sorry, it was you who volunteered your personal experience with the smoke grenade. Did you notice that no one backed you up your claim !
Sorry again, but it was you who said that no NVGs were available.
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Storywolf,
In fact many of the best rifles are a result of taking the best of previous rifles and throwing out the worst. No need to reinvent the wheel. This process is called development.
At the time when SAR21 appeared, the BA already had SUSAT sights on their standard rifles for many years.
The SAR21 sight cud have been much better by some simple fixes such as an illuminated reticle. Note how simple and effective were SUSAT and even the sight on the AUG rifles of long ago.
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Storywolf, I am so saddened that you too are in the same league as Underpaid. And I hope that you are also not one of the handful of monomaniacs lurking in Singapore.
If you bother to read my posts, you wud have noted that I shoot very well with iron sights ; and so do many other SAF riflemen.
And if you wud have bothered reading further, the point is that these sights make good shooters not only better but very much faster. And if the magnified variety are attached to weapons such as SAWs, GPMGs, 50 cal etc, then well you can kiss the enemy goodbye.
Of course there will always be better equipment. So shud we have stuck to AS350s with TOWs instead of AH64Ds with Hellfire, A4s instead of F15SGs , laser guided bombs instead of dumb bombs etc etc ? Well the list in the SAF arsenal goes on and on.
If you personally wish to go to a fight with an average weapon in a real war, be my guest. As for me I & many others , we will definitely take along the best weapon available. If you disagree then you are probably a monomaniac or worse.
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"Storywolf, I am so saddened that you too are in the same league as Underpaid. And I hope that you are also not one of the handful of monomaniacs lurking in Singapore."
See what I mean? Insults and slander instead of factual discussion. How he's going to pass GP, I've no idea.
"Sorry again, but it was you who said that no NVGs were available."
He really failed comprehension didn't he?
"If you disagree then you are probably a monomaniac or worse."
Only an idiot would use words he doesn't know. Oh wait....
"Please read my posts again. I already said that, if the rules of engagement permit and it is the best solution, by all means call for an arty or air strike. I wud too. "
Your only theory is taking out the enemy by an arty or air strike just like a video game - typical juvenile thinking.
Liar too. Total fail post, total fail poster.
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Wah... didn't realise the topic was this hot. Sepecat, seriously, ease up with the personal comments.
Now, the reason why some of us think that you have not gone through NS or BMT as a combatant is because you lack knowledge on the typical engagement distance of an infantryman in our neck of the woods (and heck, anywhere else too). If you did, you would not have suggested shooting at infantry targets at 600m with 5.56mm assault rifles.
And of course there was that last sentence about you taking the "best weapon available." You know you won't have a choice. If the army gives you a SAR-21, you will shoot nothing but a SAR-21 unless you somehow admit to being involved illegal arms trading in Singapore.
Now, no one here is against the use of ACOG or wadever scopes/sights you suggest. The question is whether they are economically feasible as a standard issue for a conscript army thats not actively deployed. If the budget allows, who knows? But, there are other priorities that serve as better force multipliers than infantry optics. Integrated Fire support and close air support for example.
They are more effective force multipliers for many reasons, the simplest being raw firepower. They are have greater deterrence value compared to infantry sights. Aggressors think twice when they look SG's army. It is small and composed largely of conscripts, but yet have access to some of the most advanced fighting systems in the world such as a HIMARS, Apaches, JDAMs and what nots. Infantry optics is a small part that is not difficult to rectify, like u said, they are easy to use. Just damn expensive to sign 1206 for.
Oh, btw, don't need to ask me what unit. Honestly I also don't know and prefer if they don't tell me.
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"Oh, btw, don't need to ask me what unit. Honestly I also don't know and prefer if they don't tell me. "
Congratulations on the end of the long road.
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
Hi Weasel,
Unfortunately the SAR21 is technically not much of an
advance over the M16. In some instances it was a step
backward. Let’s hope for a much improved SAR21A.
I believe that full ACMS suite will be issued to
Section Commander and 2 I/C only & its asking
a lot from these guys to take on additional role of FO for
brigade and division assets – not practical.
More effective & efficient to have specially trained FO team with
the requisite higher performance targeting & comms equipment ,
not to mention training to do this particular job.
I apparently missed this. Tot I should address this with this quote from the link below.http://soldiermod.com/summer-08/prog-acms.html
"Describing the system[acms]’s call for fire capability Lt. Col. Kong said, “We think it is very important to say ‘I see you shoot’,” allowing the section to call upon systems that aren’t held at the section level to engage specific targets they do not have the capability to engage effectively."
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It is very clear where SAF is headed. The individual section firepower is limited, sights or otherwise. The thinking behind network capability is value-add. Seen in this context, the argument for better sights is moot. Its not urgent.
Having an ACMS system allows the section to tackle aggressor troops that out-size it as well as "out-sight" it. The enemy aggressor at below company-level can at most shoot you at 600m (or 2 click with a sniper barrett under exceptional circumstances). So long as the SAF section can spot an aggressor, they can rely on 70km sniper rifles aka GMLRS/HIMARS or more. I can't see how this would be a losing battle even if I was still carrying my trusty ol' M-16 plus a 24x25 bino (eg cheap nikon travelite).
On the other side, people will have to get to company-level to obtain FO access. Sensor-shooter cycle far shorter with the ACMS = shoot first. Those are by-words for the current 3G army.
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Paradoxical that some people are saying the SAF is a conscript army unable to fully use the potential of high-end sights, yet they expect soldiers call in fires with the ACMS.
There isn't a forced choice between the two. Firstly, SAF can afford both. Secondly the ACMS defeats its purpose as a system if it doesn't include a decent sight for infantrymen to help themselves.
The key thrust of ACMS is target designation for fellow soldiers right? Yet I must designate a target for my buddy beside me with a visible red laser? Strange priorities indeed.
SAF-in-my-backpack my ass. I'd like to be able to help myself and my section mates in a pinch.
Well and good if the SAR21A solves the sight problem (and all the other SAR21 problems). But ACMS as currently publicised, I'll go so far as to call it a classic case of wayang with cool gadgets for an uninitiated public. Act Cool and help me Make Superscale.
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Originally posted by alize:
Paradoxical that some people are saying the SAF is a conscript army unable to fully use the potential of high-end sights, yet they expect soldiers call in fires with the ACMS.
There isn't a forced choice between the two. Firstly, SAF can afford both. Secondly the ACMS defeats its purpose as a system if it doesn't include a decent sight for infantrymen to help themselves.
The key thrust of ACMS is target designation for fellow soldiers right? Yet I must designate a target for my buddy beside me with a visible red laser? Strange priorities indeed.
SAF-in-my-backpack my ass. I'd like to be able to help myself and my section mates in a pinch.
Well and good if the SAR21A solves the sight problem (and all the other SAR21 problems). But ACMS as currently publicised, I'll go so far as to call it a classic case of wayang with cool gadgets for an uninitiated public. Act Cool and help me Make Superscale.
Clearly the SAF needs to use simpler words to explain how ACMS works. I tot its already simple enough but I'll make an attempt.
Built-in GPS = auto-knowledge of friendly force location.
Communications pad = push 1 button to send message "need help".
Camera = point and relay image.
Seems goondu proof to me. No need to explain what is the problem, just show. No need to say where one is, computer already show. No need explain whether under-fire, just push button. Don't even need to read map. Digital map show where you are and where you need to go. I don't know about wayang but all those items seem pretty relevant to me.
I remember a time when we didn't even have 732s in a section so how to communicate? Then we had a counter where we had to click to count footsteps so one doesn't get lost. And then map-reading in tall lallang. lol. Clearly someone either isn't in infantry and has never gone thru BMT.
ACMS has absolutely nothing to do with rifle sight. I think 99.999% of SAF still point their weapons in the right direction. If one is blind, the camera will still capture the images.
One may have the best rifle sight in the world but if you're not where you're supposed to be, all the best rifle sights in the world are useless. If you don't know where you are, can't call for help, can't identify the enemy, then all the best rifle sights in the world = useless. I can certainly understand why there is the ACMS.
For those who would like to know more, I would suggest reading Martin Van Creveld's book "command in war". That would really set the context for the ACMS system. For those who don't know who that person is, google. I would also recommend his "bible" on logistics. Its a must read for any war enthusiast who wants a good understanding of warfare.
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Actually alise, as someone who has done both shooting and fire-support before, it's actually much easier to call in arty than to shoot properly. Yes, it's that ironic. If you can read a map, you can get in decent off-grid fire support or even a directed airstrike, you just have to tell others how to do it. :lol: Shooting on the other hand, it's DIY, no help for you there, you're on your own buddy!
The biggest gripe here is not the skill of using the sights but
1) the gain from a "top end sight" is miniscule compared to current sights. It doesn't matter if your 5.56 is directed by Elocan or by SAR-21 sights, if it hits, it still counts. An example would be people saying the open bolt Ultimax is less accurate than an M-16 due the different systems, but any user can tell you, the drop in accuracy is so minimal it's almost not a factor. Or people saying 40mm grenade's time of flight is too long, but in practice, that is almost never a problem. So in theory, better sights = more accuracy, but practically, the gain is so slight, it's negligible. and
2) Maintainence. How many bo-chap soldiers we have in the SAF? These people are going to be slack on maintainence, they really gain nothing out of being hardworking in the SAF, unless you want to follow SEPACAT's "execute all slackers as traitors to the People!" philosophy.
BTW weasel,
"Clearly someone either isn't in infantry and has never gone thru BMT."
This may have been a bit too far. Let us see 1st before saying things like this lest we become like a certain cad.. oh sorry, cat.