China's first stealth fighter prototype is out? Pls verify.
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Can someone verify this?
China's 1st stealth fighter is out? Faster than Pak-Fa?
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Quite futuristic looking if you ask me:
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Looks like the F-35 raptor.
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China's Stealth Striker
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 12/27/2010 4:57 AM CSTHot from the fence-line is what looks like the best image yet of China's Chengdu stealth fighter, identified so far as J-20.
Remarkable indeed - and at the rate we're going there will be a three-dimensional animated cutaway of this beast by 2.30 Tuesday afternoon, so we can safely stick to what we can see here without having to speculate too far. (Note: this photo appeared on the China Defense Forum. All I've done to it is rotate it and adjust contrast and brightness.)
The impression here is of a big, long aircraft, 70+ feet from nose to tail, which would make sense for a number of reasons. Rob Hewson at Jane's has reported that Russia has supplied 32,000-pound thrust 117S engines for the J-20, which would be adequate for an aircraft in the 80,000 pound class - with perhaps lower supercruise performance and agility than an F-22, but with larger weapon bays and more fuel.
But ask yourself: why would China need or want a short-range stealth aircraft? Any targets with defenses that call for that capability are a long way from the mainland. Also, the bigger that the aircraft is, the more likely it is that it is a bomber as much as, if not more than, a fighter.
The canard is clearly visible and at this point I'm seeing a "lambda" wing planform, seen on some earlier artist's concept out of China, with a single straight leading edge and a kinked trailing edge. It first appeared on McDonnell Douglas JAST studies in the early 1990s:
The wing shape was also flight tested on the X-36 unmanned demonstrator - and the overall "sit" of the Chinese aircraft makes an interesting comparison to this shot:
So much for this morning - but as the "what" starts to take shape, it gives us context to start thinking about "when" and "why".
Update: The 117S comes with 3D vectoring and the engines appear widely enough spaced for that to work. This might mean that the V-tails could be locked out in normal cruising flight. Also, a couple more photos:
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 12/27/2010 4:57 AM CSTHot from the fence-line is what looks like the best image yet of China's Chengdu stealth fighter, identified so far as J-20.
Remarkable indeed - and at the rate we're going there will be a three-dimensional animated cutaway of this beast by 2.30 Tuesday afternoon, so we can safely stick to what we can see here without having to speculate too far. (Note: this photo appeared on the China Defense Forum. All I've done to it is rotate it and adjust contrast and brightness.)
The impression here is of a big, long aircraft, 70+ feet from nose to tail, which would make sense for a number of reasons. Rob Hewson at Jane's has reported that Russia has supplied 32,000-pound thrust 117S engines for the J-20, which would be adequate for an aircraft in the 80,000 pound class - with perhaps lower supercruise performance and agility than an F-22, but with larger weapon bays and more fuel.
But ask yourself: why would China need or want a short-range stealth aircraft? Any targets with defenses that call for that capability are a long way from the mainland. Also, the bigger that the aircraft is, the more likely it is that it is a bomber as much as, if not more than, a fighter.
The canard is clearly visible and at this point I'm seeing a "lambda" wing planform, seen on some earlier artist's concept out of China, with a single straight leading edge and a kinked trailing edge. It first appeared on McDonnell Douglas JAST studies in the early 1990s:
The wing shape was also flight tested on the X-36 unmanned demonstrator - and the overall "sit" of the Chinese aircraft makes an interesting comparison to this shot:
So much for this morning - but as the "what" starts to take shape, it gives us context to start thinking about "when" and "why".
Update: The 117S comes with 3D vectoring and the engines appear widely enough spaced for that to work. This might mean that the V-tails could be locked out in normal cruising flight. Also, a couple more photos:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3acaf36660-d425-4fbc-a284-008017b2b444&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest -
If look could kill... something directly comes from Transformer:
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cardboard is a great stealth material.. the RCS is very tiny..
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I do not think China need to hide their military asset as they are currently developing and expanding their influence.With the amount of money thrown into their defence budget! Its just a matter of time they will come out stronger than others.
China's development of stealth fighter takes U.S. by surprise
The emergence of what is said to be a prototype jet, along with news of advances on an anti-ship missile, raises concerns about China's military intentions and the threat it poses to the U.S. in the Pacific.
By Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times January 7, 2011
Reporting from Washington —
A few weeks ago, grainy photos surfaced online showing what several prominent defense analysts said appeared to be a prototype of a Chinese stealth fighter jet that could compete with the best of America's warplanes, years ahead of U.S. predictions.
Days later, the commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet disclosed that a long-awaited Chinese anti-ship missile, designed to sink an American aircraft carrier, was nearly operational.
As Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates heads to China this weekend, analysts are expressing concern about Chinese military advances, which appear to have taken the U.S. by surprise. The Pentagon had predicted that China wouldn't have a stealth fighter for a decade or more and Defense officials had given no previous indication the anti-ship missile, which had long been tracked by the U.S., was close to fruition.
The assertions came as Gates on Thursday outlined plans to cut $78 billion in projected growth from the Pentagon's budget over the next five years and cut the number of troops on active duty.
Gates is expected to meet stiff resistance from contractors and military officials who have long been accustomed to annual budget increases and development of new hardware systems in response to warnings of new foreign threats.
"We have been pretty consistent in underestimating the delivery … of Chinese technology and weapons systems," Vice Adm. David J. "Jack" Dorsett, deputy chief of naval operations for information dominance, told reporters Wednesday. "They enter operational capability quicker than we frequently project."
Dorsett acknowledged that the stealth fighter was real, but said it would be years before the jet could be deployed. "Developing a stealth capability with a prototype and then integrating that into a combat environment is going to take some time," he said.
China watchers disagree about the extent to which the U.S. should worry about China's steadily increasing military power, which remains well behind American war technology. But there is one emerging consensus: After a three-decade buildup and a raft of technological secrets stolen through espionage, China has closed the capabilities gap enough to pose a threat to U.S. freedom of action in the western Pacific Ocean.
"It is true that China is doing some things that we need to be very concerned about, and it's also true that they are in no danger of matching U.S. capabilities," said Christopher A. Ford, a former State Department official and author of "The Mind of Empire: China's History And Modern Foreign Relations." "Their immediate game is simply to make sure that it becomes vastly more complicated for us to do what we might want to do in a crisis in their particular neighborhood."
The anti-ship weapon, described as a mobile, land-based ballistic missile capable of hitting a moving target 2,000 miles away, could do that. Defense watchers were startled when Adm. Robert F. Willard, who heads the U.S. Pacific Command, told a Japanese newspaper last month that China had achieved an "initial operational capability" for the missile.
The U.S. currently has no good defense against such a weapon, said Richard Fisher of the International Assessment and Strategy Center think tank in Alexandria, Va., who has tracked China's armed forces for decades.
Some analysts believe China wants to end U.S. naval superiority so it can dominate its neighbors, including U.S. allies Japan, South Korea and Singapore.
In July, when U.S. diplomats rejected China's claim that the entire South China Sea was part of its "core interests," the Chinese foreign minister reportedly stared at a Singaporean diplomat and said, "China is a big country and other countries are small countries, and that's just a fact."
In September, when Japan detained a Chinese captain caught fishing in disputed waters, China cut off exports of key minerals to the nation. And in November, after North Korea shelled a South Korean island, China criticized the U.S. decision to send the carrier George Washington to the Yellow Sea, off China's coast.
A 2008 study by Rand Corp. asserts that, based on current trends, the U.S. by 2020 would lose a military conflict with China over Taiwan. A recent war game by an Australian think tank confirmed that finding, assessing that the number of Chinese planes would overwhelm U.S. forces, Aviation Week magazine said.
Skeptics argue that the U.S. has little to fear militarily from a country that is its second-largest trading partner and biggest debt holder. They also note that China still lags in certain key technologies: It hasn't been able to produce its own fighter jet engines, for example, and still buys them from Russia.
But the Pentagon is concerned about China's expanding military prowess. In little-noticed remarks last month, Assistant Secretary of Defense Wallace "Chip" Gregson said China "is pursuing a long-term, comprehensive military buildup that could upend the regional security balance."
The U.S. military's biggest worry, he said, is what are known as China's "anti-access and area-denial" weapons, including submarines and the anti-ship missile, designed to prevent the U.S. from operating without fear in the Western Pacific.
Those weapons go beyond China's defensive needs and "threaten our primary means of projecting power: our bases, our sea and air assets, and the networks that support them," Gregson said.
Vice Adm. Dorsett said it was unclear when the aircraft would be operational.
"They have been able to invest in a military buildup, and a stealth fighter is just one aspect of that," he said. "The fact they are making progress in that should not be a surprise."
Dorsett said he was more troubled by China's advances in space weapons and cyberwarfare capabilities. In 2007, China demonstrated that it could shoot a satellite out of low Earth orbit. And for years, corporate and government computer systems in the U.S. and elsewhere, including those of American defense contractors, have been hit by cyberattacks traced to China, though a link to the Chinese military hasn't been publicly established.
Some experts believe Chinese military hackers already have the ability to take down U.S. power grids and disrupt the financial system.
China is also developing and fielding "large numbers of advanced medium-range ballistic and cruise missiles, new attack submarines equipped with advanced weapons [and] increasingly capable long-range air defense systems," says the U.S. military's 2010 Quadrennial Defense Review.
"It's China's goal to have a globally deployable military by the 2020s," said Fisher, of the Virginia think tank. "We have to understand that what the Russians teach them they are absorbing well. They are becoming military technology innovators, not just copiers."
China has nuclear weapons and a modern air force, but it doesn't have an aircraft carrier or bases abroad; its main military focus has been Taiwan, the island allied with the U.S. that China considers a province, despite it being ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949. But China is building as many as five aircraft carriers, analysts say, and is increasingly turning its focus to projecting power beyond the Taiwan Strait.
China is the world's second-largest military spender after the U.S., though the gap is large. China put its 2010 defense budget at nearly $80 billion. The sum is less than a fifth of the U.S. level of about $530 billion, which doesn't include costs in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the U.S. believes the amount spent by China is higher. -
with china's economic prowess i dont see how the americans can challenge them. the US might as well focus on their economic problems.
military might is all about money.
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Just a perspective would you feel proud of a photocopy F-22 to claim your first local development and expect the rest of the world to Wow!
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Originally posted by dragg:
with china's economic prowess i dont see how the americans can challenge them. the US might as well focus on their economic problems.
military might is all about money.
I think you miss one point.....the American isn't going to be alone........
The rest of the Asian countries are not too thrill with PLN sailing around too aggressively.
The recent Korean spat is a good example.
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Gates: China's Hu confirms stealth jet test-flight
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70A19B20110111?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.058824:b40889078:z0
By Phil Stewart
BEIJING | Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:33am EST
BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Hu Jintao confirmed the country had on Tuesday conducted its first test-flight of a stealth fighter jet, which could narrow the nation's military gap with the United States, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said after talks with Hu.
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This is not just about the military gap with the United States. That gap, which is still in favor of the U.S., is not as significant as the military gap between China and the other leading Asian powers such as South Korea, Japan and Taiwan.
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maybe they just built a ''normal'' plane that looks ''stealthy'' only lah............
maybe it was a lousy fighter in disguise only...............
if they buy from Russia maybe US will be scared lah...........if China own self make one..........aiyah..........you know what kind of quality lah.........
USA only pretending to be worried only............
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Originally posted by ditzy:
Looks like the F-35 raptor.
Raptor is F-22, F-35 是 Joint-Strike-Fighter (JSF)~~ =D
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Originally posted by Asromanista2001:
maybe they just built a ''normal'' plane that looks ''stealthy'' only lah............
maybe it was a lousy fighter in disguise only...............
if they buy from Russia maybe US will be scared lah...........if China own self make one..........aiyah..........you know what kind of quality lah.........
USA only pretending to be worried only............
Looks is funnily enough half the battle won in terms of achieving RCS reduction.
US isn't worried today cos they have a few hundred stealth fighters today and will be building more far faster and far more than China all using money borrowed from China. In a few years time, when China starts churning out theirs in Chery QQ numbers...
Now that China = US banker. US can't afford to "de zhui" China. Its like borrowing money from bank to sue the bank. If China has a big & strong military = LL.
If even US cannot afford, Singapore even more can't afford to "de zhui" China. Gahmen already knew that like a few decades ago. Even wikileak talk bad about everyone but don't dare to talk bad about China even in private.
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:
Gates: China's Hu confirms stealth jet test-flight
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70A19B20110111?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.058824:b40889078:z0
By Phil Stewart
BEIJING | Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:33am EST
BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Hu Jintao confirmed the country had on Tuesday conducted its first test-flight of a stealth fighter jet, which could narrow the nation's military gap with the United States, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said after talks with Hu.
i am not concern with the military Gap between China and US.....I think what we need to worry are the Gaps between the civilian leadership in China and PLA. Apparently Civilian leadership was not aware of the launching date of the stealth plane.
So while the US is courting China civilian leadership the PLA is conducting international relations.
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There was talk that there was some rift between Jiang and Hu. Xi who is the new successor is from what I heard closer to Jiang. Hu also was rumored to have less control over the military. What all these scraps means is unclear. But its likely that Xi will have Jiang's support to become the next paramount leader, and Hu may not retain his position as chairman of the CMC.
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Read the news that PLA is to station some troops in NK at the port facilities...interestingly they are already moving in to control entry point.
Maybe the next korea war is going to happen not with the South....it maybe a civil war...within the North.......
i think the victim here are the north K. civilian.....!
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wah China powerful now !!!
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Read the news that PLA is to station some troops in NK at the port facilities...interestingly they are already moving in to control entry point.
Maybe the next korea war is going to happen not with the South....it maybe a civil war...within the North.......
i think the victim here are the north K. civilian.....!
Yep. I'm pretty sure the PLA will move to close the borders with NK if any trouble breaks out. Last thing they want is a flood of North Korean Refugees.
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Originally posted by Pure Emptiness:
wah China powerful now !!!
more like bigger Egos....
