NS Issue: coming back this wednesday. Need advice asap!!!

Weihungchew88

17 Aug 10, 04:48

I need serious advice here. I am a 21 years old Singaporean citizen and living abroad. I emigrated to Holland a few years ago to skip the National Service. I am not unsupportive of NS and I think it is a good training for young men and to serve the nation. But to force it upon us and leaves us with no alternatives, I think that really is against human rights. Anyways, I am coming back to SG this Wednesday to visit my family. Do you think I can fool the SG border control with my Dutch passport? Any advice is welcome!!!

Pitot

17 Aug 10, 08:03

How can you have a dutch passport if you are not a dutch citizen? And how can you hold dual citizenship?

Lokey

17 Aug 10, 08:05

U r now a tourist.

Welcome to Singapore!

Obersturmfuhrer

17 Aug 10, 08:40

How few is a few years? When you left, I assume you would have applied for the mandatory Exit Permit?

Unless you left before age 11 and have renouced your citizenship, chances are you're screwed when you arrive. Good luck.

"National service-liable males who migrated from Singapore before age 11 and have not enjoyed significant socio-economic benefits of citizenship (e.g., applied for a Singapore identity card or studied in Singapore beyond the age of 11) are allowed to renounce their Singapore citizenship if they do not wish to fulfill their NS obligations. They will be required to register for national service with Central Manpower Base and apply for deferment from full-time NS until the age of 21, pending the renunciation of their Singapore citizenship. They can continue to make short social visits to Singapore and will not be required to serve NS if they renounced their citizenship at age 21.

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_retrieve.pl?actno=REVED-93&doctitle=ENLISTMENT%20ACT%0A&date=latest&method=part&sl=1

dragg

17 Aug 10, 09:10

if you have already emigrated then you are not a citizen.

why would the authority bother you?

the_fallen

17 Aug 10, 09:16

if you want to completely skip NS, get ready to give up your Singapore Citizenship as Singapore doesn't allow dual citizenships, young adults reaching 21yrs old must decide which citizenship they want in life, if they want to stay as Singaporean, they must serve NS.

There's no two way about it.

Hugh Hefner

17 Aug 10, 09:39

Why so scared of NS? It is like holiday lar. Got Ice cream and we get to stay in bungalow lots. So fun man, I get to be the tank gunner.

Hwaimeng

17 Aug 10, 09:54

i was from civil defend and there is 1 case in our unit

this moron was a indian and he leave Singapore to India and live there for 30+ years

1day he return to Singapore at age 42 and the moment he enter Singapore Airport , he was sent to the Office and police come and pick him up. he was sentence to court and was sent to Civil Defend to completed his National Service because he is still a Singaporean.

the oldest recuite at age 42 was in my unit. whole day do nothing except walking around the camp. he too old to do BMT, so he was assign to clean the whole area.

You are at age 21, i dont know about your suitation

sgdiehard

17 Aug 10, 10:02

I hope you are serious when you ask for serious advice.

You hold a dutch passport but still call yourself singaporean citizen?

Do you think you can "fool the SG border control"? your dutch passport real one or fake one? you can try and good luck.

Cut all those crap about NS "a good training for young men and to serve the nation" when you actually emigrate to skip NS. and stop abusing the term "human rights".

SBS2601D

17 Aug 10, 10:05

You went to holland to "skip NS" but think its "good training"?

And what human rights issue do you have about NS?

sgdiehard

17 Aug 10, 10:06

You will be caught and charged for AWOL as soon as you arrives. Better to meet your family in JB. That is a serious advice.

fudgester

17 Aug 10, 10:11

As others have pointed out, if you had not renounced your citizenship before the age of 11, you're as good as screwed.

The most likely scenario would be that you will be arrested at the airport and be charged in court. You can be jailed (though a fine is more likely) and you will be made to serve the 2 years of NS since you're not overaged. I'm not trying to scare you; I'm just stating the facts for what they are.

Anyway, I seriously don't understand you. You say that you support NS, but in the very next sentence you say that it is against human rights.

105090

17 Aug 10, 10:25

remember to fill in your "white card" before immigration

dukedracula

17 Aug 10, 10:33

you didn't renouce citizenship here so you are still liable...as for the dutch passport, just maybe...i noticed they scan local passports but not foreign ones, so you may get away...the point about ns is to serve out that 2 yrs, its not a forced thing per se, it's just a duty, if no one serves, then we'd be at the mercy of our neighbours....

Gedanken

17 Aug 10, 10:49

There's a second possible problem. If he's renewed his passport since getting Dutch citizenship, he would have fraudently completed the section in the renewal form about having taken up another citizenship.

And yeah, that "human rights" bullshit is bullshit.

-StarDust-

17 Aug 10, 10:54

I tot 42 over age le. how can make him do NS. Also he goes to court first to get his verdict fine or jail.

storywolf

17 Aug 10, 11:02

Actually it is a good training for idoits with no brain like you.
In this world - nothing is free, you have to work and defence things.

Human rights ? tell that to the aggressor !!! fxxk off dreamer..

Hope you get caught and jailed ... will inform the custom to look out for you !!!

noahnoah

17 Aug 10, 11:03

sometime really bullshit when many

sg guys have to serve 2 years plus 13 yrs of reservist

while some guy trying to escape and come back

to sg as if nothing happen at all

dechang

17 Aug 10, 12:29

don't ever bother to come to sg if you have skipped ns..

Darkness_hacker99

17 Aug 10, 13:38

There is only one case in singapore whereby a man skips his NS totally.

He emigrated to other country when he's a child, return back to Singaporer after 40+ years. Too old for NS. :) Classic.

Xcert

17 Aug 10, 14:12

how about the guy who plays good piano?

Forbiddensinner

17 Aug 10, 15:37

He didn't went to the top music institute in England.

He served out his NS and entered NUS.

Xcert

17 Aug 10, 16:07

I think we are referring to different ones...

Found an article on the one I was referring...original article by the Straits Times is not available anymore....I copy and paste from another forum...

He is fined for defaulting on his NS after he decides to return, as his aged parents are finding it difficult to visit him in London
By Kristina Tom

AFTER staying away from Singapore for nearly 30 years because he defaulted on his national service, pianist Melvyn Tan has finally paid his dues.

The 49-year-old, who has lived in the United Kingdom for the last 37 years, has paid a fine for not fulfilling his national service duty and will be performing at the Esplanade next month.

In an interview with The Sunday Times, a visibly relieved Mr Tan said that he is glad to have put the past behind him.

He has not stepped onto Singapore soil all these years because he had feared that he would be arrested and thrown into jail.

But his 86-year-old father and 80-year-old mother are getting too old to make the regular trips to London to visit him at his home in Notting Hill, London.

So he decided to take a 'risk'. After informing the authorities of his intention to return, he came home in April for a court hearing.

The hearing lasted 30 minutes but he had never been so nervous in his life. 'It was very, very nerve-wracking,' he said.

To his relief, he was asked only to pay a fine.

He claims that he cannot remember the amount.

Under the Enlistment Act, those who evade national service can be fined up to $5,000 or sent to jail for up to three years, or both.

Although Mr Tan became a British citizen in 1978, he was still a Singapore citizen when he failed to fulfil his NS duties, making him answerable for the offence in a Singapore court.

In 1994, The Straits Times quoted a lawyer who said that one of his clients, a 39-year-old French citizen, was arrested at the airport on arrival, fined and made to complete nine months of training.

Mr Tan, who has an elder sister, was studying at Anglo-Chinese School when he left Singapore to study at the Yehudi Menuhin School in Sussex. He was then 12 years old.

After he finished his course, he stayed on in England to study at the Royal College of Music instead of coming home to serve national service in 1977.

He said: 'When I was at the Royal College and I got my final call-up, I was just on the brink of starting a career. I thought about it and thought about it and realised that I was not going to get this chance again.

'So I made that very difficult decision to not return. It meant I could never come back.'

Mr Tan first made his mark in the classical world with his performances on the 19th-century fortepiano, the precursor to the modern concert grand.

In the 1980s and 1990s, he produced a series of recordings that popularised the early music movement, regarded as a slightly eccentric niche within the music world.

He has about 30 recordings to his name and a regular touring schedule in Europe.

Along with Seow Yit Kin and Margaret Leng Tan, he has helped Singapore to gain recognition on the global piano scene.

The pianist is wasting no time in reconnecting with the Singapore music scene.

He goes back to England tomorrow, but will return early next month to sit on the jury of the National Arts Council's biennial National Piano and Violin Competition, which starts Dec 7 and ends Dec 18.

He said that he is getting to know Singapore, which he describes as 'unrecognisable', all over again. And, of course, he has been feasting on his favourite foods such as popiah.

But the best part about being able to come home as a free man was showing up at his mother's 80th birthday party on Thursday.

His parents still live in his childhood home in Lengkok Angsa, off Paterson Road. 'There were a few tears,' he said. 'She was just delighted. It was the best birthday present she's ever had.'

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Junyang700

17 Aug 10, 16:22

You have AWOL-ed for 4.5 years... That makes you liable for 9 years of jail sentence. Plus 2 years of NS after you finish your jail sentence.

You are 21 in Holland today.

You will be back in Holland when you are 32 years old from Singapore.

Good luck!

a-Lost-9uY

17 Aug 10, 16:28

never plus "reservists"?