The RSN only has the Barak 1 antimissile missile system on the Victory class corvettes while the Formidable class frigates do not have any such system nor does it have a CIWS.
The frigates rely purely on soft kill systems which are clearly inadequate to defend it from attack from SSMs and ASMs.
US Navy ships have RAMs and Phalanx.
Many NATO navy ships are also equipped with some form of CIWS or basic anti missile aystem.
Is'nt it time such hard kill systems be installed on our most advanced warship ?
Formidable class subs have no Anti Missile capability. There is a caution.
We dunt know if it can fight or not.
we have bear in mind that none of ships have CIWS.
Dunt argue with me that CIWS are not a fashion in 21 st century,
http://www.noisypussy.com.sg/news/sinkapore/my-mother-choked-to-death-on-a-dog-cock/story-e6frea83-1225870271673
Formidable class frigates do have a Hard Kill Anti Missile System using Aster 15 surface-to-air anti-missile missile.
In fact, it was reported that they could also be equipped with Aster 30 as well if neccessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Aster
the aster is already a SAAM .......
and the formidables carry both 15s and 30s .....
next !
no space on those sampans mah !!!!
Aster 15 has a max range of 15km vs anti-ship missile n a max range of 30km vs aircraft while e Aster 30 has a max range of 30km vs missile n a max range of 100+km vs aircraft
Is'nt the Aster 15 primarily designed as a anti aircraft missile rather than as an anti missile missile unlike Barak, Seawolf and RAM ?
However, it can be agreed that Aster 15 can also be used as a defence against antiship missiles , was it designed specifically for this purpose ?
It is not clear that the RSN has the Aster 30s unless someone can show otherwise.
Originally posted by Sepecat:Is'nt the Aster 15 primarily designed as a anti aircraft missile rather than as an anti missile missile unlike Barak, Seawolf and RAM ?
However, it can be agreed that Aster 15 can also be used as a defence against antiship missiles , was it designed specifically for this purpose ?
The Aster 15/30 was meant from the start to be an all round ship defence against missiles/aircraft etc. etc. etc. What it was not designed for was ballistic missiles.
Now a quick google would have gotten you all that information. Now go exercise your brain a little.
If there is one criticism against the Formidable, it is that the damn thing doesn't have RAM systems.
that's the problem with sampans - no space lah !
you put anti-ship missile then you got no place for anti-missile missile !
then one big wave come only, capsize !
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The Aster 15/30 was meant from the start to be an all round ship defence against missiles/aircraft etc. etc. etc. What it was not designed for was ballistic missiles.
Now a quick google would have gotten you all that information. Now go exercise your brain a little.
If there is one criticism against the Formidable, it is that the damn thing doesn't have RAM systems.
Darth-Revan
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Rather than take line , hook and sinker as some Googlers do without exercising their puny brains, it is evident that the Aster 15 is primarily an anti aircraft weapon with a secondary anti missile capability.
You have also just admitted to the fact that the Aster 15 is indeed not in the same category as RAM for which its primary role is an anti missile missile system.
Originally posted by Sepecat:
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The Aster 15/30 was meant from the start to be an all round ship defence against missiles/aircraft etc. etc. etc. What it was not designed for was ballistic missiles.
Now a quick google would have gotten you all that information. Now go exercise your brain a little.
If there is one criticism against the Formidable, it is that the damn thing doesn't have RAM systems.
Darth-Revan
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Rather than take line , hook and sinker as some Googlers do without exercising their puny brains, it is evident that the Aster 15 is primarily an anti aircraft weapon with a secondary anti missile capability.
You have also just admitted to the fact that the Aster 15 is indeed not in the same category as RAM for which its primary role is an anti missile missile system.
What the fuck? A Rolling Airframe Missile is a Point Defence Weapon like the Phalanx/Goalkeeper. The RAM is supposed to replace the Phalanx/Goalkeeper in fact. It is supposed to be a "Last Ditch" weapon if all else fails. It is not a replacement for the Aster, it's meant to complement the weapon.
Now, if you have even so much as have done your homework, despite your adamant insistence that google cannot be trusted, and actually go read the MBDA website for the missile, you will note that:
"The first successful firing of the SAAM system was conducted in 1999 from the French Ile d’Oléron experimental ship when a direct hit was registered on a manoeuvring sea-skimming target. "
Now fucking admit you are stupid, and move on.
Formidable class sampans should be doing what they're built for..........
they should be equipped with HUGE fishing nets for fishing !
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What the fuck? A Rolling Airframe Missile is a Point Defence Weapon like the Phalanx/Goalkeeper. The RAM is supposed to replace the Phalanx/Goalkeeper in fact. It is supposed to be a "Last Ditch" weapon if all else fails. It is not a replacement for the Aster, it's meant to complement the weapon.
Now, if you have even so much as have done your homework, despite your adamant insistence that google cannot be trusted, and actually go read the MBDA website for the missile, you will note that:
"The first successful firing of the SAAM system was conducted in 1999 from the French Ile d’Oléron experimental ship when a direct hit was registered on a manoeuvring sea-skimming target. "
Now fucking admit you are stupid, and move on.
Darth -Revan
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Dear Moderator
I put forward the motion to remove Darth-Revan from this forum for his lack of decorum and gutter vocabulary.
Dear Darth,
Kindly improve on your totally unimaginative language. I hope to see you do much better in your next post , unless you are removed from this forum that is. I look forward to your kind apologies. May I strong suggest words such as " I beg your forgiveness etc ............."
Originally posted by Sepecat:Dear Moderator
I put forward the motion to remove Darth-Revan from this forum for his lack of decorum and gutter vocabulary.
I am prepared to second the motion even though it is not practical.
The title is incorrect. The Aster 15 is designed as an anti-missile missile system.
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/docs_wsw/fichiers_communs/docs/pdf07_aster.pdf
1. The Aster 15 can intercept missiles and aircraft.
2. The Formidable class is a class of multi-mission frigates that can be configured to mission specific roles.
For more information on the Formidable class, please refer to:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/formidable/
Please keep the discussion civil people. No need for raise your BP over ignorance.
IMHO, I find it doubtful that the Astor 30 can acheive that range AND performance just because of its honking large booster.
I disagree. The standard missile at 6.5m long using boosters can boast a 500km range and has been tested to shoot down satellites in exo-atmospheric conditions.
The Aster 30 is significantly shorter in range compared to the standard whilst using booster tech. There is little reason why it can't reach its published range. Published tests have also affirmed its ability to engage targets at 35km range in 2008.
Chief Of RSN said in the interview leading to Navy Open House--
Frigate is practicing against 20 aircrafts in recent EX.
as reported by STimes.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Chief Of RSN said in the interview leading to Navy Open House--
Frigate is practicing against 20 aircrafts in recent EX.
as reported by STimes.
what happen to the Warthog?
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What the fuck? A Rolling Airframe Missile is a Point Defence Weapon like the Phalanx/Goalkeeper. The RAM is supposed to replace the Phalanx/Goalkeeper in fact. It is supposed to be a "Last Ditch" weapon if all else fails. It is not a replacement for the Aster, it's meant to complement the weapon.
Now, if you have even so much as have done your homework, despite your adamant insistence that google cannot be trusted, and actually go read the MBDA website for the missile, you will note that:"The first successful firing of the SAAM system was conducted in 1999 from the French Ile d’Oléron experimental ship when a direct hit was registered on a manoeuvring sea-skimming target. "
Now fucking admit you are stupid, and move on.
Darth -Revan
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Dear Moderator
I put forward the motion to remove Darth-Revan from this forum for his lack of decorum and gutter vocabulary.
Dear Darth,
Kindly improve on your totally unimaginative language. I hope to see you do much better in your next post , unless you are removed from this forum that is. I look forward to your kind apologies. May I strong suggest words such as " I beg your forgiveness etc ............."
Pfft. I do not suffer fools gladly, and I mince not my words when dealing with them.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Chief Of RSN said in the interview leading to Navy Open House--
Frigate is practicing against 20 aircrafts in recent EX.
as reported by STimes.
wow... can i have the news paper clipping of this please?
i know that the FORMIDABLE systems can handle up to 24 targets simultaneously, but it would nice to have proof of it.
thanks in advance.
Originally posted by weasel1962:I disagree. The standard missile at 6.5m long using boosters can boast a 500km range and has been tested to shoot down satellites in exo-atmospheric conditions.
The Aster 30 is significantly shorter in range compared to the standard whilst using booster tech. There is little reason why it can't reach its published range. Published tests have also affirmed its ability to engage targets at 35km range in 2008.
You might want to read this on Strategypage posted by Herald1234. He has very interesting POV.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/7-1883/page2.aspx