From the press / news releases & pictures , it looks like our S-70Bs are only equipped with a dipping sonar for anti sub warfare. No sonobuoys or MAD ?
I was wondering about the Penguin ASM. ST was reporting that capability, but strangely not on Mindef website.
Singapore was denied in her request to buy Penguins for the F-16.
dunt know if ST report these--link valid for 7 days only.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:dunt know if ST report these--link valid for 7 days only.
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http://www.zaobao.com.sg/sp/sp100315_018.shtml
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under normal conditions, at latitude 46 meter ,it can detect a 1 sq meter
object within a area of 28 sq km.
range ---370 km, can detect 20 tagets simutaneouly.
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Is the resident pussy attempting to display its intelligence with a post that include a ridiculous line - 'at latitude 46 meter' ?
Will that be 'at latitude 46 meter' off the equator ?
What will be the performace of the equipment when at a distance further then 'at latitude 46 meter' ?
The intelligence of a pussy is displayed in its usual glorious ways - 'at latitude 46 meter'
Do we know why we were denied access to Penguin for our F16s ?
Hopefully we will be able to have it for our S 70Bs.
I guess one of the question i like to ask is that is SG buying a few more sikorsky for local water operation ? or stored another in the hanger as back up.
That is a possibility in getting more S-70s for back-up. if you have 6x FF platforms, you should have more than 6 helicopters. The heli's availability is likely to be lower than a warship.
I don't think they will use the helicopter for local area operation. I think the Fokker MPA is probably more suitable. longer endurance and probably lower operating cost as well.
Fokker no sonar. Only MAD.
Helos will be used where the FFGs are located.
If FFGs on escort missions (eg protected passage, maritime shield), the helos will follow.
Helo serviceability should be better than FFGs. Mission readiness rates can be as high as 99%. Ships spend a lot of time at port.
We will probably purchase more S70 Bs in future as is usual SAF practice.
As ASW is a key role of the S70 B, I will be very surprised that it does not have a sonobuoy capability. Conventional subs in the region pose a very serious threat to surface warships especially when they carry missiles such as SM39s.
check this news...
Greater anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare capabilities. That is what the integration of the Formidable-Class stealth frigate and Sikorsky S-70 naval helicopter will bring to the 3rd Generation Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN).
In order to better hone and develop these anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare capabilities resulting from the integration, Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) pilots and air crew as well as RSN Tactical Co-ordination Officers (TACCOS) and Sensor Operators (SENSOS) commenced training at the Peace Triton training detachment located at the Naval Air Station North Island in November 2009.
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Defence Teo Chee Hean, who witnessed an anti-submarine exercise on board RSS Stalwart on 14 Mar, said that the integration was a major leap forward in the capabilities of the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).
"The capability that the frigate and helicopter integration has for the SAF is that it enables the ship and helicopter platform to dominate a much greater area of sea and air space both above and below the surface," said Mr Teo during a doorstop interview after viewing the exercise to validate the interoperability between the naval helicopter and frigate.
The anti-submarine exercise involving two RSN naval helicopters and RSS Stalwart was part of a larger United States Navy (USN)-led exercise held from 8 to 15 Mar in the Pacific Ocean, just off the waters near San Clemente Island.
Commander of 1st Flotilla Colonel (COL) Wellman Wan also said that with the integration, a significant milestone for the 3rd Generation RSN was achieved since the naval helicopters have the potential to deliver more effective air and sea power to help enhance maritime security.
"This will be a new capability for the SAF and will greatly boost the war-fighting capabilities of our Navy, enabling us to have a more decisive advantage at sea," said COL Wan.
The naval helicopter can travel up to a speed of 140 knots and is capable of covering the same distance five times faster than that of the frigate. As such, its speed enables it to extend the frigate's capabilities, ultimately providing the latter with the ability to conduct faster and further surveillance.
"The mobility and speed by which the naval helicopter can be sent out to scan and verify enemy threats provides us with a greater tactical advantage and fidelity. For example, the frigate can deploy its naval helicopter to verify an enemy threat identified by a Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA)," explained COL Wan, citing an example of how the naval helicopter could provide the frigates with greater operational flexibility.
"With the naval helicopter on the job, the MPA is thus free to scan the other surrounding areas for possible threats."
Weighing 9,600 kilograms and equipped with missile torpedoes to take out enemy submarines, the naval helicopter, when integrated with the frigate, is truly a force to be reckoned with.
In order to ensure the successful integration between the frigate and the naval helicopters, RSN and RSAF servicemen had to undergo vigorous training at Peace Triton alongside their USN counterparts to master the skills needed for the integration.
The naval helicopter requires a four-man team to operate it and consists of two RSAF pilots and a RSN SENSO and TACCO. The make-up of the team ensures that the knowledge and skills of the air force and navy will be effectively harnessed to better operate this new capability.
However, working together and making the transition from sea to air was not a walk in the park. Master Sergeant (MSG) Joseph Ng who has been in the navy for ten years and is now a SENSO on board the naval helicopter, said that he experienced his fair share of challenges while trying to adapt to his new role.
"Initially, I was bothered by the vibration and noise that the naval helicopter emitted while performing manoeuvres at high speed. This experience was immensely different from the stability and relative quiet which ships offer," he said.
"The environment was challenging and coupled with the fact that these capabilities offered by the integration was a first, the learning curve to master this new system was pretty steep."
Even former Super Puma Pilot Major (MAJ) Goh Ker Jia found the move to fly the naval helicopter challenging.
"The Super Puma is primarily a troop carrier. As such, my main concern was to insert land forces safely. When landing, I would have to watch out for trees, hills and the possibility of getting my wheels stuck in the mud. However, landing the naval helicopter on the frigate is a different affair altogether," said MAJ Goh.
Although the naval helicopter landed on the helipad, which was relatively flat and smooth, this came with its own set of challenges.
"Even if we aimed for dead centre on the helipad, it would still drift when the ship moves. The flight deck could also be heaving and rolling, making it even more difficult to land," MAJ Goh added.
The integration would not be possible without the coordination and communication link between the frigate and the naval helicopter. For this end, the Combat Information Centre (CIC) on board the frigate ensures that both ship and naval helicopter are on the same page during missions.
"The CIC is important to the integration process because we relay information on the ground to the crew in the naval helicopters, who may not have an accurate maritime picture. We are also in charge of recommending possible tactics an aircraft could deploy in missions," said Communications and Electronics Officer Captain (CPT) Sean Ler.
The successful integration between the naval helicopter and the frigates can be attributed to the dedication and professionalism of the SAF personnel. This was something that did not go unnoticed by the USN trainers who worked with the RSN and RSAF personnel during their integration training.
"The Singapore Navy does not have an air wing so it has roped in the Air Force to fly the naval helicopter. What astounds me is the speed and professionalism by which the navy and air force personnel mastered this new operation system for the integration," said Commander Third Fleet Admiral Richard Hunt.
"The SAF was also able to maximise the potential of a small crew which is something the US is just starting to experiment with," he added.
In total, the RSN has acquired six naval helicopters to complement its six frigates. Having taken delivery of three, the naval helicopters will be back in Singapore by the end of this year
Its bad manners not to credit the source.
http://www.defencetalk.com/singapore-begins-operating-new-s-70-helicopters-24948/
Hmmm the S-70 would be quite limited if not equipped with sonobouys and MAD. Dipping sonars are good, but it would be better to deploy a sonobouy once a contact bearing is established for triangulation and update.
Sonobuoys are perhaps too highly capable to be sold to Spore ??
i got a sonar thing with lcd display and transmitter thing from ebay at $100.
i was wondering if all the 6 S-70 return to Sing already and fully embeded to the frigate?
no need for anti-sub weapons lah.................the M'sian subs can't dive, remember ?
I think the S70B will only return in June to July. I heard they having problems to recruit ppl into S70B. Nobody wants to sail and repair the S70B with that low pay.
give the jobs to foreigners lor.................
Originally posted by Nobode:I think the S70B will only return in June to July. I heard they having problems to recruit ppl into S70B. Nobody wants to sail and repair the S70B with that low pay.
what do you mean i thought those would be regulars ? it probably takes time to train up new crew to substain 6 frigate rotations.....
I wonder whether the RSAF air and ground crew have allowances compared to other ground based units. I mean, there have to sail and potentially be away from home constantly .
and I wonder about the berthing condition of our FFGs, hopefully, it is comfy, otherwise, it is like a hardship posting......
i assume that operationally they are under navies but administratively they belong to ... air force. so ....airforce benefit...
Yes, the Pilots and Copilots are Air Force while the TACCO and SENSO are Navy.
Originally posted by spencer99:I wonder whether the RSAF air and ground crew have allowances compared to other ground based units. I mean, there have to sail and potentially be away from home constantly .
and I wonder about the berthing condition of our FFGs, hopefully, it is comfy, otherwise, it is like a hardship posting......
I agreed that it is a hardship posting. My friend from the Navy actually stayed in the frigate for 6 mths when they went over to USA for exercise with the S70B. I do not see how airforce crew will benefit when they have to go sailing and be away from their family. They cannot even call home or use internet.
Pointless to man the S70Bs for ASW in the first place if it is not fully equipped with the full suite of the latest detection technologies to hunt submarines efficiently or effectively. As it is , modern conventional subs in shallow waters are notoriously difficult to detect.
probably did not anticipate mini sub.....