Comparing Terrex with Stryker like compare durain with apple
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read my 10.sept post for more.
Comparing Terrex with Stryker like comparing durain with apple.
Both are a family of army vehicles for different versions.
It is very hard to say Terrex is better than Stryker in overall.
But we can say there are few items that Terrex is unique.
No single item is decisive.But every item make the whole picuture
looks much different.
1.Terrex can swim.Stryker cant.
2.Stryker "The Infantry Carrier Vehicle carries a 9-man squad
and crew of two, along with the supplies necessary to
sustain those troops in combat for up to 96 hours."--read A below.I assume it means 1driver +1 Commander + 9 troopers.
Terrex's capacity is higher (1driver +1 Commander + 11 troops).
But I am not sure how many supplies Terrex can carry.
3.Terrex comes with 40 mm air burst GL.
4.Terrex is air cond.
5.Terrex is fixed with gun shots detection finder.
6.Terrex is equipped with better situational awareness.more than 10 cameras.
Infra red sights ,among others.read F below then u know Stryker is short
of many items.
references--
A.http://www.gdls.com/pdf/Stryker_hard_facts.pdf
B.http://www.gdls.com/
C.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker
D.http://www.army.mil/features/strykeroe/
E.There is a 108 pages file on Stryker.But i lose the link.
F.
^ US Army Outlines Future Improvements for the Stryker, defense-update.com
The vehicle will also receive peripheral video surveillance providing36020 degree situational awareness, a gunshot detection kit and non-flammable tires, and mine-blast attenuating seats to improve protection for the crew. The vehicle's weapon station will also be improved with 3rd generation thermal viewer and stabilization, enabling the engagement of targets at longer range.
G.http://www.gdls.com/programs/strykers.html
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OMG!!What is the use of
^ "GAO Compares Stryker to M113A3". pp. 20. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03671.pdf. Retrieved 2008-07-13.?
M113 is a Vietnam era product,while Stryker is a 21 st century product.
US GAO is just comparing
durain with apple!!
I cant understand the conclusion.Can anyone tell me the summary of this report.
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How do u interpret the following? page 25 of GAO report listed above.
However, in the report submitted to Congress, DOD’s conclusions were not
quite as positive. The DOD report, prepared by its PA&E Directorate,
summarized conclusions based on the Department of the Army report that
included the Army Test and Evaluation Command and the Army Cost and
Economic Analysis Center reports. The Director, Operational Test and
Evaluation, also provided comments from a draft report. The DOD report
stated that neither vehicle was preferred for all the criteria. The Stryker
vehicle was superior under some criteria, the M-113A3 was superior on
others, and the two vehicles were equal on yet others. However, DOD and
the Army both agreed that the Stryker brigade combat teams would not
diminish the combat power of the Army, and DOD so certified. As a result
of the evaluation, the Deputy Secretary of Defense approved obligating the
funding for the Stryker vehicles to equip the third brigade."The Stryker vehicle was superior under some criteria, the M-113A3 was superior on
others, and the two vehicles were equal on yet others.""would not diminish the combat power of the Army"
Ha.The Yankess spent billions of dollars on Strykers and could not say
it can enhance the combat power of the army!!My poor English
just tell me it can imply that the combat power of M 113 and Stryker can
be equal!!
My dear frens,u guys English is better.
can u tell me wat is the meaning of
"the two vehicles were equal on yet others."?
xcxcxx
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Why did US not improve all factors better than or at least equal to M113?
How can they tolerate
"The Stryker vehicle was superior under some criteria, the M-113A3 was superior on
others,"--page 25 of^ "GAO Compares Stryker to M113A3". pp. 20. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03671.pdf. Retrieved 2008-07-13.?
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They should compare two before they decided on Stryker.
This is no point to comapare after US placed the order.
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top--http://www.defense-update.com/products/t/terrex_icv_040909.html
bottom--Stryker http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3649949
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http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/military-photos-videos/2009-sept-army-open-house-singapore-9511/
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Comparing Terrex with Stryker like comparing durain with apple.
Both are a family of army vehicles for different versions.
It is very hard to say Terrex is better than Stryker in overall.
But we can say there are few items that Terrex is unique.
No single item is decisive.But every item make the whole picuture
looks much different.
1.Terrex can swim.Stryker cant.
2.Stryker "The Infantry Carrier Vehicle carries a 9-man squad
and crew of two, along with the supplies necessary to
sustain those troops in combat for up to 96 hours."--read A below.I assume it means 1driver +1 Commander + 9 troopers.
Terrex's capacity is higher (1driver +1 Commander + 11 troops).
But I am not sure how many supplies Terrex can carry.
3.Terrex comes with 40 mm air burst GL.
4.Terrex is air cond.
5.Terrex is fixed with gun shots detection finder.
6.Terrex is equipped with better situational awareness.more than 10 cameras.
Infra red sights ,among others.read F below then u know Stryker is short
of many items.
references--
A.http://www.gdls.com/pdf/Stryker_hard_facts.pdf
B.http://www.gdls.com/
C.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker
D.http://www.army.mil/features/strykeroe/
E.There is a 108 pages file on Stryker.But i lose the link.
F.
^ US Army Outlines Future Improvements for the Stryker, defense-update.com
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OMG!!What is the use of
^ "GAO Compares Stryker to M113A3". pp. 20. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03671.pdf. Retrieved 2008-07-13.?
M113 is a Vietnam era product,while Stryker is a 21 st century product.
US GAO is just comparing
durain with apple!!
I cant understand the conclusion.Can anyone tell me the summary of this report.
Lionnoisy - think it it is unfair that way you compare Terrex with Stryker.
You are comparing on the equipment customer choice to fix on - which example computers, sensors, weapons which could can be fixed to stryker too if you option for it.
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Originally posted by storywolf:
Lionnoisy - think it it is unfair that way you compare Terrex with Stryker.
You are comparing on the equipment customer choice to fix on - which example computers, sensors, weapons which could can be fixed to stryker too if you option for it.
Do u think any manufactuer can make whatever the clients want?
No so simple.
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http://www.zaobao.com/sp/sp090903_022.shtml
i post the zaobao news for it complement ST report.
pl note inside () is my translation and explanation.
国产轮�装甲�兵车 Terrex首次亮相
（2009-09-03）
陈天明
Terrexå�–自Terrain Rex（大地之王）。新科动力是在1999å¹´å¼€å�‘Terrex作为轮å¼�装甲车产å“�。å�–ç»™æ–°åŠ å�¡é™†å†›çš„è¿�å…µè½¦æ˜¯ç¬¬ä¸‰æ¬¾åŽŸæ ·å“�，并按照网络化作战è¦�求é‡�身定å�šã€‚
(development started from 1999.The current version is the third prototype,tailored made for network warfare)
Terrexèƒ½åŠ å¼ºé™†å†›ç½‘ç»œåŒ–ä½œæˆ˜èƒ½åŠ›ï¼Œæ��高æ¥å…µçš„战场å˜æ´»åŠ›ã€�机动力和ç�«åŠ›ï¼Œå¹¶ä»¥ä¿¡æ�¯ç½‘络è�”系个别兵士和空军å�Šé™†å†›çš„æ¦å™¨ç³»ç»Ÿï¼Œä½¿æˆ˜åœºæƒ…报和ç�«åŠ›æ”¯æ�´å¾—心应手。军方将率先为3个æ¥å…µè�¥è£…备Terrex，å�„è�¥45辆，预料明年底能使Terrex摩托化æ¥å…µè�¥å…¨é�¢æŠ•å…¥æœ�务。( each of the 3 Batt will get 45 units)
轮�装甲车越�越��地军方�视，尤其是美国在2000年组建快速部署部队时看上它的机动优点而采用，更使它们声�大噪，�振雄风。
为应付城市作战ã€�å��æ��行动和国际维和任务需è¦�ï¼Œæ–°åŠ å�¡ä¹Ÿé‡‡è´æ–°ç§‘动力自制的Terrexè½®å¼�装甲è¿�兵车。
é…�å�ˆTerrex在今天起举行的陆军展首次亮相，国防部宣布明年2月起为所有现役æ¥å…µå’Œç²¾å�«è�¥ï¼ˆGuards）进行Terrex作战è®ç»ƒã€‚副总ç�†å…¼å›½é˜²éƒ¨é•¿å¼ å¿—è´¤å�Žå¤©ä¸ºé™†å†›å±•å¼€å¹•æ—¶ä¹Ÿä¸ºé¦–辆Terrex主æŒ�å…¥ä¼�仪å¼�。
陆军第9综å�ˆå¸ˆå¸ˆé•¿å…¼æ¥å…µé•¿æž—ç¦�æœ‰ä¸Šæ ¡ä¸Šå‘¨å‘Šè¯‰åª’ä½“ï¼Œå†›æ–¹å°†çŽ‡å…ˆä¸º3个æ¥å…µè�¥è£…备Terrex，å�„è�¥45辆，预料明年底能使Terrex摩托化æ¥å…µè�¥å…¨é�¢æŠ•å…¥æœ�务。
作为第三代æ¦è£…部队作战平å�°ï¼ŒTerrexä¹Ÿè·Ÿå…¶ä»–æˆ˜è½¦ä¸€æ ·è£…ç½®æˆ˜åœºç®¡ç�†ç³»ç»Ÿï¼Œèž�入三军作战网络。(Terrex will be intergrated into SAF 3G warfare)
国防部文告说，Terrexèƒ½åŠ å¼ºé™†å†›ç½‘ç»œåŒ–ä½œæˆ˜èƒ½åŠ›ï¼Œæ��高æ¥å…µçš„战场å˜æ´»åŠ›ã€�机动力和ç�«åŠ›ï¼Œå¹¶ä»¥ä¿¡æ�¯ç½‘络è�”系个别兵士和空军å�Šé™†å†›çš„æ¦å™¨ç³»ç»Ÿï¼Œä½¿æˆ˜åœºæƒ…报和ç�«åŠ›æ”¯æ�´å¾—心应手。
æž—ç¦�æœ‰ä¸Šæ ¡è¯´ï¼š“尤其是è¿�兵车里的7人æ¥å…µç»„下车å�‘动近è·�离攻击时，Terrex的战场管ç�†ç³»ç»Ÿèƒ½è·Ÿä¸ªåˆ«å…µå£«çš„先进战士系统è�”系，å��调作战，互供敌我军情ã€�è¦�求ç�«åŠ›å¢žæ�´æˆ–ç–�散伤兵ç‰ï¼Œä¹Ÿèƒ½åˆ©ç”¨è½¦ä¸Šé‡�机关枪或自动榴弹å�‘射器为下车作战æ¥å…µæ��供炮ç�«æ”¯æ�´ã€‚”
他说，城市环境å¤�æ�‚，高楼窗å�£ä¸ºå®ˆå†›æ��供最佳狙击掩护，使攻å� 行动障ç¢�é‡�é‡�，易å�—ä¼�击，而且交ç�«èŒƒå›´ç‹çª„，枪击射程çŸï¼Œä¸€åˆ‡å�˜åŒ–瞬æ�¯ä¹‹é—´ï¼Œæ¥å…µå¾’æ¥å†²é˜µï¼Œ æ�ºå¸¦å�„ç§�ä¸�å�Œç”¨é€”æ¦å™¨ï¼ŒåŠ é‡�负担，机动能力削弱。“è¿�兵车速度快，机动性高，æ��供装甲ä¿�护，å�¯åŠ©æ¥å…µè¿…速å�Šå®‰å…¨é€¼è¿‘敌方，直接攻击敌军。”(Terrex bring infantry closer to enemy)
为让车内士兵å�šå¥½ä¸‹è½¦ä½œæˆ˜çš„精神准备，Terrexçš„12立方米æ¥(lion's note--12 cubic meter)兵车厢还安装冷气系统(lion note--air cond!!)，让士兵ä¸�å¿…å¿�å�—闷舱环境。
æ¤å¤–，轮动使Terrex的行驶噪音比履带战车低，比较ä¸�易被建ç‘里敌军寻声追踪。它的车尾装有两部推桨，使它具备泅渡能力，时速10公里。(Terrex can swim at 10 km/h
by 2 propllers)
Terrexå�–自Terrain Rex（大地之王）(Terrex means King of the Land)。新科动力是在1999å¹´å¼€å�‘Terrex作为轮å¼�装甲车产å“�。它在2002年亚洲航空展首次展出，过å�Žåœ¨å›½å¤–军事展亮相，最å�Žä¸€æ¬¡åœ¨ 本地展出是2006年亚洲航空展，但当时以æ¥å…µæˆ˜è½¦äº‰å�–买家，å�–ç»™æ–°åŠ å�¡é™†å†›çš„è¿�å…µè½¦æ˜¯ç¬¬ä¸‰æ¬¾åŽŸæ ·å“�，并按照网络化作战è¦�求é‡�身定å�šã€‚
(Displayed in Asia Aerospace 2002 and 2006)
åœ¨åŠ å¼ºé˜²æŠ¤æ–¹é�¢ï¼ŒTerrex采用模å�—ä¿�æŠ¤è®¾è®¡ä»¥åŠ åŽšè£…ç”²æŠ¤æ�¿ï¼Œåº•ç›˜å…·å¤‡æŠµé”€åœ°é›·ç‚¸åŠ›çš„设计。国防科技局为它设计“é—舱驾驶系统”，让它借助车外13个é—路摄åƒ�机ã€�车头红外线熱感æ”�影機，在关紧顶盖情况下冲锋陷阵，é�¿å…�æµ�弹或敌军攻入车舱。
Terrexé‡‡ç”¨å…¨è‡ªåŠ¨çž„å®šç›®æ ‡çš„é�¥æŽ§æ¦å™¨ç³»ç»Ÿï¼Œæ��供精准直射ç�«åŠ›ã€‚它也在车外装置æ¦å™¨ä¾¦å¯Ÿç³»ç»Ÿï¼Œå�¯å‡å�弹飞行声波追查敌军å°�åž‹æ¦å™¨å°„击ä½�置，并通过战场管ç�†ç³»ç»ŸæŠŠæƒ…报æ��供给其他å�•ä½�。
国防科技局为Terrex和乘车æ¥å…µè£…置和èž�å�ˆå�„ç§�作战系统，例如战场管ç�†ç³»ç»Ÿã€�é�¥æŽ§æ¦å™¨ç³»ç»Ÿã€�é—舱驾驶系统ã€�全方ä½�é—路摄åƒ�系统和先进战士系统。
有关Terrex问与ç”
问：有了豹2A4å�¦å…‹å’ŒBionixæ¥å…µæˆ˜è½¦ï¼Œä¸ºä»€ä¹ˆè¿˜è¦�è¿�兵车？
ç”：å�¦å…‹æ˜¯åœ°é�¢ä½œæˆ˜çš„主è¦�çª�击兵器和装甲兵基本装备的履带战车，体积ä¸�能太大，大å�Šè½¦åŽ¢ç©ºé—´ç”¨åœ¨åŠ 厚护壳ã€�å¼¹è�¯å‚¨æ”¾å’Œç‚®è†›è£…置，腾ä¸�出空间è¿�é€�æ¥å…µã€‚
但å‰�线部队摧æ¯�敌方å�¦å…‹å’Œé‡Žæˆ˜å·¥äº‹å�Žï¼Œéœ€è¦�æ¥å…µå¾’æ¥æ‰«è�¡æ®‹ä½™æ•Œå†›ï¼Œå·©å›ºé˜µåœ°ï¼Œæ‰€ä»¥è£…甲部队须有æ¥å…µæˆ˜è½¦è¿�è½½æ¥å…µè·Ÿç�€å�¦å…‹å��è°ƒä½œæˆ˜ï¼Œæ‰“çš„æ˜¯é˜µåœ°æˆ˜ï¼Œå±žè£…ç”²å…µè¡ŒåŠ¨ï¼›å› æ¤æ¥å…µæˆ˜è½¦è£…备40毫米或至少25毫米机关炮。
è¿�兵车也è¿�兵，在ç�«åŠ›ã€�防护和机动ç‰æ–¹é�¢ä¸ºæ¥å…µæ��供装甲掩护，让行军摩托化，直接è¿�é€�å°�å�•ä½�æ¥å…µçª�击敌方é�žè£…甲部队，利用车置炮ç�«æ”¯æ�´æˆ–掩护下车æ¥å…µä½œ æˆ˜ï¼Œå°¤å…¶æ˜¯é’ˆå¯¹åŸŽå¸‚çŽ¯å¢ƒï¼Œå› æ¤æ— 需装备高ç�«åŠ›æ¦å™¨ï¼Œä¸€èˆ¬å�ªè£…ç½®é‡�机关枪或榴弹å�‘å°„å™¨ã€‚å› ä¸ºä¸�需è¦�炮塔，车内有更多乘载空间。
问：陆军已有M113履带�兵车，为什么�买Terrex轮��兵车？
ç”：履带车擅长越野行军，但驱动履带需较大动力，拖累车速，机动有局é™�，而且耗油。轮å¼�装甲车具有油耗ç»�济ã€�震动å°�ã€�æ“�作简å�•ã€�公路机动高ã€�部署能力强ç‰ä¼˜ç‚¹ã€‚
由于车快噪音低，最适å�ˆå…¬è·¯ç½‘å�‘达的城市çª�击行动，尤其是å��æ��和维和ç‰åœºå�ˆï¼Œæˆ�为快速å��应部队ç�†æƒ³çš„摩托化装备。
问：既然有了失败的V-200使用�验，为什么�用轮��兵车？
ç”：40 多年å‰�使用的V-200å�ªæœ‰4个轮，å�„轮分担的车é‡�很大，牵制车å�机动，也ç»�常深陷泥地。过去å��多年，轮å¼�装甲车技术çª�飞猛进，å�ˆå…·å¤‡æ¶‰æ°´èƒ½åŠ›ï¼Œå±•ç¤ºæœºåŠ¨ ä¼˜ç‚¹ï¼Œå°¤å…¶æ˜¯è½®æ•°å¢žåŠ ï¼Œå�„è½®å�¯åˆ†æ‹…车å�é‡�é‡�，车体å�¯è®¾è®¡å¾—更大更é‡�ï¼Œæœ‰æ›´å¤§ç©ºé—´åŠ å¼ºæŠ¤ç”²åŽšåº¦ï¼Œä¿�护车内士兵。æ¤å¤–，所有轮å�éƒ½æœ‰é©±åŠ¨èƒ½åŠ›ï¼ŒåŠ å¤§è½¦å�行速。
Terrex八轮驱动，起冲力强，从é�™æ¢åˆ°æ—¶é€Ÿ50公里仅13.5秒。八轮驱动也使车å�转弯å�Šå¾„缩çŸï¼Œå�ªéœ€8.5米。轮å�多æ„�味轮轴排列紧密，轮å�ç�€åœ°ç›´æŽ’也长，å�¯è·¨ä¸¤ç±³å®½å ‘壕。轮å�多，å�³ä½¿è¢«å‡»ä¸ä¸€ä¸¤ä¸ªï¼Œå…¶ä»–çš„å�¯ç»§ç»è¿�作。
问：轮å�ä¸å¼¹æ€Žä¹ˆåŠžï¼Ÿ
ç”：这些轮胎是特ç§�低压胎，被å�弹击ä¸ä¸�会立å�³çˆ†èƒŽï¼Œä»�å�¯è¡Œé©¶ä¸€æ®µè·�离。Terrex装置轮胎自动调压系统，在车内å�¯è‡ªåŠ¨è°ƒæ•´èƒŽåŽ‹å’Œå……气，以适应地形或弥补ä¸å¼¹æ¼�气。
问：那履带装甲车�是得淘汰？
ç”：在山野地形和土质æ�¾è½¯çš„地上打仗，轮å¼�车ä¸�比履带车强，V200早年身陷泥泞的窘境，让装甲æ¥å…µè·Ÿå‰�头的AMX 13å�¦å…‹éƒ¨é˜Ÿé¦–å°¾ä¸�能衔接，说明应付ä¸�å�Œåœ°å½¢çŽ¯å¢ƒé¡»æœ‰ä¸�å�Œå…µå™¨ã€‚å�Œæ—¶æ‹¥æœ‰å±¥å¸¦å’Œè½®åŠ¨å¹³å�°ï¼Œè®©é™†å†›æœ‰æ›´å…¨é�¢çš„兵器ç§�类应付ä¸�å�Œçš„作战情况。
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自动榴弹�射器 automatic grenade launcher
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模��护设计 modular protection system
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é�¥æŽ§æ¦å™¨ç³»ç»Ÿ remote controlled weapon system
直射�力 direct fire
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I fail to see where in the mentioned articles was there a reference comparing the STRYKER TO THE TERREX as mentioned in the header. Perhaps the PROFESSOR OF ENGLISH would care to explain? Save for the obvious fact of the Rah-rahing and Pooh-poohing nonsense yet again.
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It is so like comparing tiger with lion - so which is better !!!
Yes tiger can swim = better !!!
tiger have stripes !!!
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oh forgot one most important thing - there is no tigernoisy - that talk nonsense and make stupid comparison !!! -
I was trying to figure that out as well... nobody was comparing terrex and Stryker... A more accurate comparison would be the Terrex and the LAV-25 (the vehicle type). Stryker was adapted from that under Gen. Shinseki's direction for light mobile brigade.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
I was trying to figure that out as well... nobody was comparing terrex and Stryker... A more accurate comparison would be the Terrex and the LAV-25 (the vehicle type). Stryker was adapted from that under Gen. Shinseki's direction for light mobile brigade.
Hi I am the first one to compare the latest versions of both Terrex and Stryker.
2.MY military nuts seem more eager to know Terrex than SG nuts.
http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jul_Dec/20090909_05.html
Some things they mention are interesting--
（SPARCS）的40毫米侦察榴弹。
MINT--
Fantail UAV etc
Also ,the current version is the 3rd prototype,different from the one
displayed in Singapore Airshow 2008.
2008å¹´æ–°åŠ å�¡èˆªç©ºå±•å±•å‡ºçš„TERREX战车
top--displayed in 2008..bottom--as seen in AOH 2009.
below--the full picture
lion note--12 cu meter volume,as reported by zao bao.
driver + commander + 11 troops.
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There are about 13 cameras,with infra red light and Thermal Images.
read image above.
For example,lights which naked eyes cannot see.
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Internal volume --12 cu meter.
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Reconnaissance, Surveillance, Targeting and Acquisition (RSTA)
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Reconnaissance, Surveillance, Targeting and Acquisition (RSTA)
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very good situation awareness
There are abt 13 cameras
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This clip tell u that RCWS is very precise and u can see at night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5VgJeibTY&feature=related
Singapore Army Terrex by
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IS IT AIRCONDITIONED?I SEE THE MAN IN TANK WITH SWEATY OILY FACE N TALKING AT SAME TIME...
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Originally posted by HITMAN11111111111:
IS IT AIRCONDITIONED?I SEE THE MAN IN TANK WITH SWEATY OILY FACE N TALKING AT SAME TIME...
someone probably forgot to turn it on.....ha ha ha -
Originally posted by HITMAN11111111111:
IS IT AIRCONDITIONED?I SEE THE MAN IN TANK WITH SWEATY OILY FACE N TALKING AT SAME TIME...
yes it is,if u believe zao bao news on 03.09.2009.read my 09.09 post.
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ok.....thank u all.