Leopard 2A4 Tanks & all MINDEF videos
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can i ask is there any automatic loading in the MBT?BTW,u can down load into your HP!!
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Thanks for the vid link, I could heard them firing their main gun. The trg area is quite near to my housing estate.
Btw those blue colour sharp pointed projectile must armour piercing type.
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Blue color shud denote that it is a drill round.
It shud be an APFSDS round.
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Yap is an APFSD round. You mean those blue coloured was a blank round?
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the above is the DM 18 MP(stands for multi purpose) trainning round.
this is the "LIVE" DM 12 MP(multi purpose) round.
this is the DM-63 APFSDS, also known as the Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot.
below you can see our guys loading it into the Leopard 2 tank.
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I view the video already. I saw the leopard tank fired a live round at Gedong trg area.
If they were to fire the round, the whole SAF training area need to be seal off just for the projectile to land on the impact area if it miss the target board.
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Originally posted by shinkansen:
Yap is an APFSD round. You mean those blue coloured was a blank round?
i believe there is a misunderstanding.
our leopard tanks do not carry "BLANK" round like infantry does for fire training.
in fact, the training rounds they carry (blue colored) are generally "low explosive charge" which carries a colored projectile that can easily hit and kill a wild pig 1.5km away.
the purpose as you noted is "safety".
so, while it may be training rounds, i doubt you want to be anywhere near the target.
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for those who got the latest army news magazine.
look closely, and you should see our leopard 2 tank firing off a sabot, you can just see the sabot separation with a magnifying glass.
for those who didnt get the army news magazine.
there is always the mindef website.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/etc/medialib/imindef_media_library/graphics/army/army_news/download_our_issues/pdf.Par.0064.File.tmp/feb09.pdf
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Originally posted by shinkansen:
I view the video already. I saw the leopard tank fired a live round at Gedong trg area.
If they were to fire the round, the whole SAF training area need to be seal off just for the projectile to land on the impact area if it miss the target board.
true... i only know FS round cant live fire locally...
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Originally posted by tripwire:
i believe there is a misunderstanding.
our leopard tanks do not carry "BLANK" round like infantry does for fire training.
in fact, the training rounds they carry (blue colored) are generally "low explosive charge" which carries a colored projectile that can easily hit and kill a wild pig 1.5km away.
the purpose as you noted is "safety".
so, while it may be training rounds, i doubt you want to be anywhere near the target.
Thanks for your explaination. Those APFSD-S are scary! Indeed an tank killer!
One round one kill! Since you know so much about the Ammo stuff are you an ammo specialist? Can this APFSD-S penetrate through a reactive armour which some tank used it, like the M1-Abram MBT.
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i am not an ammo specialist, and seriously i believe that gary is better in such area than me, just dont know where he is lurking now.
back to your question:
1. M1 Abram MBT DONT use ERAs, in fact most (if not all) western MBTs dont use ERA as extensively as eastern (read russian T-series) tanks.
the american Abram and british Challenger tanks uses "Chobham armor", which is a composite armor composed of layers of different materials including steel, rubber, ceramic and "other top secret stuff".
the abram was blessed further with the use of "depleted uranium", a gift from the american nuclear reactors. the uranium with its greater density makes non "uranium tip" sabot round looks like "wooden stick". the penalty without doubt (due to high density of uranium) is the massive weight, which prevents the whole abram from being covered top to toe with uranium.
the leopard 2 tank uses perforated armor, somewhat similar to the "chobham" concept with the addition of "space armor". which in the opinion of some people is better then the original "chobham" armor found on challenger 2 against both HEAT and KE rounds.
2. having said the above... your question is can APFSDS penetrate a ERA.
ERA was developed as a counter to HEAT (high explosive anti tank) rounds, against the APFSDS, its practically almost useless (perhaps maybe add 10mm of steel armor, which is practically not worth mentioning).
nontheless, the ERA does have its purpose, in a battlefield flooded with HEAT anti tank weapons like the 84mm carl gustav, MILAN anti tank missile and LAWs, it could prove a life saver.
but ERA is no good if the opponent uses the following"
1. top attack anti-tank weapon like the SPIKE.
2.HELLFIRE (heavy stuff fired from apache helicopter, even M1 abram also gets toasted).
3.APFSDS round from another tank.
4. anti tank mines.
5. tandem warhead anti tank weapon like the matador.
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Originally posted by shinkansen:
Thanks for your explaination. Those APFSD-S are scary! Indeed an tank killer!
One round one kill! Since you know so much about the Ammo stuff are you an ammo specialist? Can this APFSD-S penetrate through a reactive armour which some tank used it, like the M1-Abram MBT.
Reactive armor are used against chemical energy rounds (shape charge).
FS round is Kinetic Energy round.
Sure can penetrate thru reactive armor...
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lets me help u navigate the mindef site
mindef
publications
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/army/army_news.html
if u spend time,u will find many info.....
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Originally posted by tripwire:
i am not an ammo specialist, and seriously i believe that gary is better in such area than me, just dont know where he is lurking now.
back to your question:
1. M1 Abram MBT DONT use ERAs, in fact most (if not all) western MBTs dont use ERA as extensively as eastern (read russian T-series) tanks.
the american Abram and british Challenger tanks uses "Chobham armor", which is a composite armor composed of layers of different materials including steel, rubber, ceramic and "other top secret stuff".
the abram was blessed further with the use of "depleted uranium", a gift from the american nuclear reactors. the uranium with its greater density makes non "uranium tip" sabot round looks like "wooden stick". the penalty without doubt (due to high density of uranium) is the massive weight, which prevents the whole abram from being covered top to toe with uranium.
the leopard 2 tank uses perforated armor, somewhat similar to the "chobham" concept with the addition of "space armor". which in the opinion of some people is better then the original "chobham" armor found on challenger 2 against both HEAT and KE rounds.
2. having said the above... your question is can APFSDS penetrate a ERA.
ERA was developed as a counter to HEAT (high explosive anti tank) rounds, against the APFSDS, its practically almost useless (perhaps maybe add 10mm of steel armor, which is practically not worth mentioning).
nontheless, the ERA does have its purpose, in a battlefield flooded with HEAT anti tank weapons like the 84mm carl gustav, MILAN anti tank missile and LAWs, it could prove a life saver.
but ERA is no good if the opponent uses the following"
1. top attack anti-tank weapon like the SPIKE.
2.HELLFIRE (heavy stuff fired from apache helicopter, even M1 abram also gets toasted).
3.APFSDS round from another tank.
4. anti tank mines.
5. tandem warhead anti tank weapon like the matador.
TUSK abrams uses ERAs in Iraq mainly to against RPG7 or equivalent shape charges.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:can i ask is there any automatic loading in the MBT?BTW,u can down load into your HP!!
no automatic loading in L2
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i stand corrected with respect to the TUSK abram, which employs ERA along the sides of the abram tank armored skirt.
however, it should be understood that the use of ERA by the abram was not part of the original concept of abram tank, but a later addition taking into account the operational environment of iraq.
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Does Matador have a Tandem Warhead " ???
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the isrealis claim that the matador is tandem warhead.
Used by infantry to destroy Hamas positions inside homes and other structures, the Matador incorporates an advanced tandem warhead concept that can be operated in two modes: against fortified positions and other structures, and to create a hole in a wall without destroying the inside of a home.
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Yeah, but there are several versions of Matador.
We are looking at SAF's Matadors. I do not remember that they have tandem warheads.
Anyone with more info ??
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Originally posted by shinkansen:
I view the video already. I saw the leopard tank fired a live round at Gedong trg area.
If they were to fire the round, the whole SAF training area need to be seal off just for the projectile to land on the impact area if it miss the target board.
dude just to let u noe ah the leopard tank cant fire live rounds in sg.sg too small liao even when the SM1 tank is fireing live rounds the main gun will be chain down to prevent any accident
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Yap I agree, they will need to chained it for safety precaution. Last time got this incident. A SM-1 tank was firing a 75mm round from BMR (Basic Main Range) but the projectile did not hit the target board but instead land on the Raffles country club golf course!
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With all the fire control computer, laser range finding etc etc and the gunner can't even hit the target board at that range ?
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
With all the fire control computer, laser range finding etc etc and the gunner can't even hit the target board at that range ?
maybe tat round ricoshaded i think it can happend if they r using those tpt rounds -
The pain is finding and picking up all the discarded sabots.
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discarded sabots need to pick up 1 meh my unit just pick up the RAI only lolx