Singapore Govt New Private Jet?
-
edit
-
wow! this is hot stuff... wait till the political websites hear this...
-
Originally posted by sir_peanuts:
wow! this is hot stuff... wait till the political websites hear this...
what hot stuff, gulfstream only mah,...wait till you see their private Airbus then you know what is hot stuff -
Originally posted by angel7030:
what hot stuff, gulfstream only mah,...wait till you see their private Airbus then you know what is hot stuffRich SG dunt have private jet,but not so rich get few.
PM LHL just takes C 130 or other RSAF to SEA for meeting.
LKY took a private jet to Brunei in march for a lecture.
I dunt know the details.May be it is Brunie VIP jet.
LKY was invited by Brunei Royal Family.
With US$300 billions net reserve for rainy days
in Temasek and GIC,it is humble SG
that resist the temptation to buy VIP jet yet.
Do u think they have any problem to buy a US$100 million jet?
Look at the not so rich oz--
BBJ Boeing Business Jet VIP transport: Royal Australian Air Force
''Two Boeing 737 BBJ (Boeing Business Jet) special purpose aircraft are operated by the Royal Australian Air Force's No 34 Squadron, based at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra. Both BBJs are permanently converted to VIP configuration, comprising two conference tables and seating for 30 passengers.''
No wander PM Rudd is also called 747 Rudd by Oz medias.
If he have to take C 130 or other RAAF noisy stuff to overseas,
i think he would cut down his trips to a minimum.
VIP jet.Why not,mates?
ADF chief backs push for larger VIP jets - ABC News (Australian ...
@@@@@@@@@@@@
look at the poor LHL took the noisy C 130 to Cebu
photo source:AP,not from Mindef nor MFA
from. www.zaobao.com, printed copy 13 jan 2007.
In the recent trip to Thailand,i think he was upgraded to take
Fokker Utility Aircraft (UTA).Read the photo when he was in Thailand
airport then u can see the aircraft.
-
why would SG govt need a private jet when they can just charter 1 SIA plane?
That would help SIA in their profits, which would in turn help TH's portfolio, and at the same time save resources for storing an extra jet somewhere. And save resources to maintain the plane...
And if a private jet is undergoing maintenance, no one can use it; they wouldn't face this problem as well for chartered planes. It would be much like Warren Buffett's private jet company... Pooling resources...
-
MODS, flag lionnoisy aus bashing again.
@deerjets
way ahead of you. it isnt a Gulfstream (i thought the same too) but its a fokker F50.
check out this image
http://www.thaiphotoblogs.com/media/blogs/new/090227a.jpg
-
@sgstars
I know my airplanes and was referring to this photo
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_342690.html
That's a Gulfstream, definitely not a Fokker 50. F50 is a high wing twin turboprop, which your picture shows. The Gulfstream jet is a low wing twin jet, and the window arrangement and type denotes it to be a Gulfstream jet. Who knows, maybe the sultan sent his personal gulfstream over to pick up the MM
-
I am just wondering, with our 1st Phalcons delievered here only last month. The order for the Training G550 was less than 6mths ago. And, they were able to get the plane flying within such a short time span ???
And also, from the 2nd link that TS had given us, it states that "the deal will deliver flying training services and instructors from 2012 using a G550 business jet to be acquired and maintained by ST Areo." It ain't 2012 yet, i guess.From wiki, The Sultan of Brunei operates a G-IV. Its reference link was this:
http://jeteditor.com/tjsult.htm
Its last second paragraph says "the Sultan of Brunei, has been an influence of sorts in the final selection of His Majesty's aircraft. Currently, the Brunei Royal fleet includes an Airbus 320, a Boeing 757, a Gulfstream III and IV, a Sikorsky S70 and a S76 MK2."So, I guess, we can conclude that was a Gulfstream IV in that photograph. Not the supposedly G550. Furthermore, that photograph cannot determine whether it was a G550, G-III or G-IV.
Relax, even our G550 were to fly on official business for the government of Singapore, I dun see a need to create a woohaa on it. Unless u are telling me that (one day, for example) they used it for their shopping trip to HK ... -
british public called their leaders' jet "blair force one"
what about ours?
-
@GD4u
Actually you might be right, the plane in the shot is likely to be a Gulfstream IV, as evident by the 6 window arrangement. The G550 has 7 windows. Could well be the Sultan's personal aircraft sent to pick up the MM.
I guess it's fairly routine that governments acquire private jets to transport head of states, it's just that the purchase of such a jet in the current economic climate would be sure to raise some eyebrows.
-
Standard VIP travel is Fokker,KC-135/ C-130s and our other transport/utility crafts. Please dont create new account just to stir political crap on milnuts forum.
The 5th G550 is to train nub pilots and keep all current pilots up to date with the handling of a business jet that flies fast, high and long. Can you imagine a noob pilot flying our CAEW? Having an empty G550 for practice and training is a prudent and sensible decision while clocking the stick time required to keep our eyes in the sky at top capability.
So -what- if the MIW decide to fly in the G550? It's more fuel efficient, it's comfortable, and if it is an efficient use of resource, it makes sense. An empty G550 is more expendable (and cheaper) than a KC-135 on a long haul flight eh? As long as the plane dont get shot down, we get to keep our international reputation, it's okay.
That's more important now than the politiking that you are trying to stir.
-
The "raising of eyebrows" will be done by people who thinks they know alot, but actually doesn't. As for us, who knows a fair bit (n some who knows tons) in technical details will actually understand. There's is no "Stomp mentality" here ... no worries.
Futhermore, the purchase was made last year and a few years ago for the 5th and the 1st four aircrafts respectively. I dun see the 'eyebrows' part ... -
Originally posted by Deerlets:
@sgstars
I know my airplanes and was referring to this photo
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_342690.html
That's a Gulfstream, definitely not a Fokker 50. F50 is a high wing twin turboprop, which your picture shows. The Gulfstream jet is a low wing twin jet, and the window arrangement and type denotes it to be a Gulfstream jet. Who knows, maybe the sultan sent his personal gulfstream over to pick up the MM
ahh , i see, i thought you were referring to PM Lee and his recent trip to hua hin for the ASEAN summit on the fokker F50.
i had no idea you were referring to the senoir MM Lee. my apologies for the mistaken identity.
if you did checkout the picture, you'd have seen PM Lee and not the MM.
CMO6, i disagree with your position. albiet the intention may be suspect, but as an elected government, the government is, to a certain degree, held accountable to the electorate. our constitution allows for conditional free speech you know.
they are not above and beyond criticism nor are they subject to preferential laws. they are just human beings in top jobs. they arent beyond reproach of your joe "tigerbeer" sixpack here in singapore. just have to be careful we dont slander anyone. (which is a somewhat broad definiton)
-
@CM06
Seems like you know a lot about jet training. So explain to me why when the RSAF had their 4 E-2C Hawkeyes, there was no dedicated training airplane, maybe a stripped down platform minus the radar equipment? Those airplanes were equally as expensive and specialised as the G550 AEW platforms are they not?
I take offense at the tone of your reply. I have been nothing but cordial and I expect the same out of you, if that's possible at all.
-
can we dig into the original source of info and then discuss
and open your mouth.The opening thread is a very stirring posting.
How can u say SG already own a G 550 without investigations.
Dunt u know MM was invited by the Brunei Royal Family to deliver
a talk?How can u just say SG get a G550 to ferry VIP?
This is absolutely non sense!!
i think MM Lee would jump from his grave one day if
SG buys or leases VIP just to ferry VIP.
One time off for a special and valid reasons is ok.
But not long term.Remember MM just converted few seats
in a SIA plane and sent his very sick wife back to SG,without
hiring a private jet?
@@@@@@@@@@@@2
i dunt think VIP will take G550 without armed escort airplane.
So VIP will continue take RSAF planes with come with some
defense.SG is not a country with low esteem that VIP must take VIP
jet to show off,like.....u know lah.
dunt tell me that becos we are small that VIP no need travel
long distance within the country.All VIP in the worls can,
if he choose,to use airforce planes to travel.
I am sad to learn that Oz convert two 737 permanently to VIP
jet.This is a classical example of wastage.How much u have to pay for
salary and their pensions for the crews,flight attendants,technicians etc,
spare parts,parking costs ,fuel etc?
This is estimated a 15 to 20 years life cycle cost is equal
to the purchase price!!
BBJ Boeing Business Jet VIP transport: Royal Australian Air Force
''Two Boeing 737 BBJ (Boeing Business Jet) special purpose aircraft are operated by the Royal Australian Air Force's No 34 Squadron, based at Defence Establishment Fairbairn in Canberra. Both BBJs are permanently converted to VIP configuration, comprising two conference tables and seating for 30 passengers.''
@@@@@@@@@@
read the extra trainer storey .
ST Engineering's Aerospace Arm Provides RSAF Training Worth S$105m 16-Sep-2008
''As part of this deal, ST Aerospace will acquire and maintain a Gulfstream 550 aircraft.''
@@@@@@@@@
In March 2009,MM seems take a VIP jet to Brunei,
most likely provided by the Royal Family.
PM takes RSAF F 50 to Thai.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/SE%2BAsia/Story/STIStory_342690.html
http://www.thaiphotoblogs.com/media/blogs/new/090227a.jpg
Fighters 
Helicopters and Transport Trainers Others i think MM Lee would jump from his grave one day if
SG buys or leases VIP just to ferry VIP.
-
Originally posted by Deerlets:
@CM06
Seems like you know a lot about jet training. So explain to me why when the RSAF had their 4 E-2C Hawkeyes, there was no dedicated training airplane, maybe a stripped down platform minus the radar equipment? Those airplanes were equally as expensive and specialised as the G550 AEW platforms are they not?
I take offense at the tone of your reply. I have been nothing but cordial and I expect the same out of you, if that's possible at all.
I think u have to read and learn more why RSAF need a trainer.
Does Israel AF get a G550 trainer?
To save $$ and avoid noises of the public and Opposition ,
i dunt think VIP would take G550 for travel,unless in certain
very special situation.
-
Fine, i take it all back. Singapore govt doesn't own any private jets at the moment nor were any purchased recently.
-
Deerlets, pls ignore our resident spamming lion ... Chances are, he didn't know a thing till i pointed it out.
I guess, the lack of a training aid for our E-2C is because of the fact that it was a turboprop aircraft. Despite differences, there are similar turbopros such as Fokker50 and C130. I am not sure, but they probably had a turboprop training aid for turboprop platforms (regardless of model) ?? While that the G550 had no similar training platform ( I guess the TA-4SU is way too different from a G550 jet cockpit) . This just my guess and hypothesis. Maybe someone would like to come in and explain the true difference ... -
I am absolutely bemused at how you can critisise Australia for having two BBJs. I don't like politicians, but I'm sure most people agree that the leader of a larger nation like Australia deserve to arrive with dignity. They represent the nation for god's sake!
As for Singapore and the c-130? It's your loss really. Many nations have private planes for their leaders.
At least with Australia, it also can serve as an AAR in times of need.
And you say that Oz is not so rich? Where did you get that from?
I've said it many times, but you are a dimwitted fool embarrassing your own country.
I've been to SG and I'd like to argue one point, why doesn't Singapore covers it's drains?
-
Cos our covers get stolen periodically ...
But that's off topic. As I (we) said, let's ignore that spamming lion ... -
Originally posted by Asian Aussie:
I am absolutely bemused at how you can critisise Australia for having two BBJs. I don't like politicians, but I'm sure most people agree that the leader of a larger nation like Australia deserve to arrive with dignity. They represent the nation for god's sake!
As for Singapore and the c-130? It's your loss really. Many nations have private planes for their leaders.
At least with Australia, it also can serve as an AAR in times of need.
And you say that Oz is not so rich? Where did you get that from?
I've said it many times, but you are a dimwitted fool embarrassing your own country.
I've been to SG and I'd like to argue one point, why doesn't Singapore covers it's drains?
U have been staying in oz for long long time.
But have u studied your country carefully?
I just want to discuss with u seriouly about the cash or cash like
Net balance of oz federal and states governments!!We cant talk the billions mineral reserve and other treasure hidden underground .
do u know Oz Net Debts--A$71 billions or 7 % of GDP!!
15 % of GDP according to CIA.
Compared with USA and UK,oz is really good in finance management.
Assets
1.Fereral Level
Assests---66.1 billions + plus add more if u find any assets
$59.62 billion
Future Fund assets at 31 December 2008 (includes Telstra shares valued at $7.65 billion)
$6.48 billion
Higher Education Endowment Fund/Education Investment Fund assets at 31 December 2008
www.futurefund.gov.au/
States level---assets unknown?
Liability--Federal A$57.9 billion
...............Sates..A$79.3
TOTAL gross public debts---137.2 billion or 14 % of GDP.
Net Debts--A$71 billions!!
http://www.aofm.gov.au/content/borrowing/commonwealth/QuarterlyData/december2008.asp
references
Federal guarantee of state debt to protect spending | The Australian
www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25240037-643,00.html
-http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/sgfm_ctte/report/index.htm
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/sgfm_ctte/report/c03.htm
Chapter 3 - State and territory bottom lines and debt levels
Govt expedites $26b nation-building funds : thewest.com.au
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Public debts from
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
If u read the above ,u will find oz is 15 % of GDP,while SG is 115 %.
Pl note that this heavy debt come from the intentional debt
''borrowed'' from CPF.gov.sg to give risk free interest to CPF members.
Other countries,incl Oz,borrow for spending.SG is not.
They will tell u gavaman issue debts to make the bonds markets
active.This is rubbish.U only issue bonds when u need money.
If not,it is pure waste of taxpayers money.
The back up $$ or reserve are hold by Temasek and GIC,
well over 200 USD billion net assets.I dunt know if MAS.gov.sg
assets can be added.
I read that oz need to pay A$7 billion pa (A$137 b x 5%)
just for interest of bonds issued.
Wow $7,000 million is not a small figure!!
Singapore need to pay interest,but credited to their CPF members account!!
@@@@@@@@@@
SG also issue security,but not for spending!!
May be for investment to get higher yield!!
-
Singapore Government Securities - Homepage
www.sgs.gov.sg/
-
Originally posted by Asian Aussie:
I am absolutely bemused at how you can critisise Australia for having two BBJs. I don't like politicians, but I'm sure most people agree that the leader of a larger nation like Australia deserve to arrive with dignity. They represent the nation for god's sake!
As for Singapore and the c-130? It's your loss really. Many nations have private planes for their leaders.
At least with Australia, it also can serve as an AAR in times of need.
And you say that Oz is not so rich? Where did you get that from?
I've said it many times, but you are a dimwitted fool embarrassing your own country.
I've been to SG and I'd like to argue one point, why doesn't Singapore covers it's drains?
do u think SG PM arrive in C 130 with dignity or not?
photo source:AP,not from Mindef nor MFA
from. www.zaobao.com, printed copy 13 jan 2007.
@@@@@@@@
ya!! big country can afford VIP jet.we small country cant.
They have to take First Class of SIA,wether they like it or not.
-
how much it cost to main the VIP fleet and the dignity.--
yearly -----maintenance,repair ,fuel,salary of pilots,crews,technicians,security
Pensions for 30 years of the staff mentioned above....
periodic overhaul.....
-
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Public debts from
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
If u read the above ,u will find oz is 15 % of GDP,while SG is 115 %.
Pl note that this heavy debt come from the intentional debt
''borrowed'' from CPF.gov.sg to give risk free interest to CPF members.
Other countries,incl Oz,borrow for spending.SG is not.
They will tell u gavaman issue debts to make the bonds markets
active.This is rubbish.U only issue bonds when u need money.
If not,it is pure waste of taxpayers money.
The back up $$ or reserve are hold by Temasek and GIC,
well over 200 USD billion net assets.I dunt know if MAS.gov.sg
assets can be added.
I read that oz need to pay A$7 billion pa (A$137 b x 5%)
just for interest of bonds issued.
Wow $7,000 million is not a small figure!!
Singapore need to pay interest,but credited to their CPF members account!!
@@@@@@@@@@
SG also issue security,but not for spending!!
May be for investment to get higher yield!!
LOL... did i just fail my maths or did i see lionnoisy attempting to justify a 115% of GDP public debt held by sg as better than a 15% of GDP public debt held by australia ?
either 2+2 =3 and im seeing flying pigs outta the window.
congratulations lionnoisy, u never fail to dissapoint. a new level of self pwn. you only need 1 post only and to make yourself look like sheer stupidity. dont even need people to point that out to you.
i wonder whats next, you smashing your head into a computer monitor before you start posting