SAF Motorised Infantry Vehicle
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Read in Nov / Dec 2008 Army News cover story " Wallaby '08 " that 1 SIR used M113 APCs during the exercise.
It was reported that the unit was " executing and practising the motorisation drills now......... before we acquire the actual platform ".
I assume that the actual platform will be the Terrex and that at least part of SAF's infantry battalions will be "motorised" in the near future.
Anyone with more information ?
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no lah--just quote...fr army news
Issue 160 1473 Kb 15.01.2009 
''Kicking Up A Storm
Another capability tested at Wallaby ‘08 was infantry motorisation.
Our soldiers from the 1st Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment (1 SIR), were at the forefront of this new thrust, leveraging
on the exercise to build on their proficiency in motorisation
infantry training. By motorising our infantry forces, our Army provides soldiers with greater mobility and protection,
and this in turn enhances their survivability. It was not an uncommon sight to see a motorised infantry section charging out from each of the 13 M113 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs) deployed, quickly forming up for battle. CPT Spenser Chen, Officer Commanding of ‘A’ Company in 1 SIR elaborated
on the practice of such drills at the Exercise, “By executing and practising the motorisation drills now, we have a headstart in our infantry motorisation proficiencies even before we acquire the actual platform.”''@@@@@@@@@@@@@
M 113 is one of actual platform lah...
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
no lah--just quote...fr army news
Issue 160
1473 Kb
15.01.2009''Kicking Up A Storm
Another capability tested at Wallaby ‘08 was infantry motorisation.
Our soldiers from the 1st Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment (1 SIR), were at the forefront of this new thrust, leveraging
on the exercise to build on their proficiency in motorisation
infantry training. By motorising our infantry forces, our Army provides soldiers with greater mobility and protection,
and this in turn enhances their survivability. It was not an uncommon sight to see a motorised infantry section charging out from each of the 13 M113 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs) deployed, quickly forming up for battle. CPT Spenser Chen, Officer Commanding of ‘A’ Company in 1 SIR elaborated
on the practice of such drills at the Exercise, “By executing and practising the motorisation drills now, we have a headstart in our infantry motorisation proficiencies even before we acquire the actual platform.”''@@@@@@@@@@@@@
M 113 is one of actual platform lah...
kindly desist from spawning and spouting rubbish here.
it would be appreciated if you can be more like most of your threads, die quick and die off without anyone giving a damn about them.
S-cat is asking if anyone knows of any additional information about the potential platform. if you still cant get it, more information that isnt publicly avaliable.
we dont need you to state the obvious. (but in your case, congratulations, great achievement. usually you barely even manage to do so. you must be getting smarter). if we wanted to, we would have read it for ourselves.
@S-cat :
doubt you could honestly get it here. maybe you could find out more if you knew someone from armour ?
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Just remember.. If it ain't publicly hinted at, it doesn't belong here. :)
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yea, maybe S-cat could look up the exercise video on razor TV ? i believe the words were lifted from a interview there.
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continuing in the thread... using of m113 does not seem to be motorising...rather more like mechanising... using of tracked vehicles in military terms are usually referred to as mechanised units..not motorised units... motorised units are usually referred to wheeled platforms like out tonners ... who knows what kinda platforms we are going to have... if the SAF is tight lipped abt it... its probably classified anw...
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I believe that the SAF plans to achieve motorisied infantry capabilities before further exploring on mechanised capabilities. What my definition of 'motorised' is that just having a armoured trooplift capability for infantry troops to reach their objectives faster, safer, etc. Ie, the drivers and gunners (if there is) for the vehicle (for now, the M113) aren't organic to the unit.
While, 'mechanised' is that the infantry troops have a armoured capability to assualt on their objectives. Ie, drivers and gunners and other possibile assets wld be organic to the unit itself.
Anyway, the Terrex rumour has been around for a few yrs already. -
Yeah, when I first heard the rumor, the contending vehicle was the terrex as well. Chances are, the motorization process requirement will be a wheeled armored vehicle in order to reduce the level of logistic support (costs as well) for the maintenance of the fleet.
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i just noe nxt time infantry dun need route march liao.
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apparently it is so...cuz they are now using BX, BXII and broncos exclusively for armour... m113 and broncos probably used for infantry support and troop carry role...
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Nah, I believe the the infantry will still need to walk, albiet a shorter distance. Afterall, the AIs do dismount and walk a distance to engage the enemy. But the days of ppl tell u "i walked 60km in 5 days" are long gone ...
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I can be sure that infantry will remain infantry and they must be able to boast .... " I walked 60 km in 5 days "....... & then some.
We will need all forms of infantry be it "armored" , "motorised" or just "plain" infantry.
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Just remember.. If it ain't publicly hinted at, it doesn't belong here. )
lionnoisy's post of 21 March 2006 already indicated that 300 Terrex were ordered. I guess it will be soon time for these to emerge as the "actual platform "
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Just remember.. If it ain't publicly hinted at, it doesn't belong here. )
lionnoisy's post of 21 March 2006 already indicated that 300 Terrex were ordered. I guess it will be soon time for these to emerge as the "actual platform "
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Originally posted by Sepecat: I can be sure that infantry will remain infantry and they must be able to boast .... " I walked 60 km in 5 days "....... & then some.
We will need all forms of infantry be it "armored" , "motorised" or just "plain" infantry.
what ya mean 60km in 5 days ? 60km in 5 days is boy scout distance. :)
infantry walk whatever we have to walk. distance is inconsequential. afterall. a line on a map means nothing. absolutely nothing.
i think the 300 terrex are meant to be V-200 replacements. V-200 used by quite a few units. and they are bordering on being ancient. really need to be replaced and replaced soon.
try doing some guesswork and fitting the terrex into SAF inf battalion force structure. the numbers dont quite add up imo. numbers are too small.
doubt the 300 terrex order is the real deal.
any chance we'd order the stryker or the piranah III ? unlikely right ? there was a picture of CoA in a terrex belonging to 9 div. the stryker has alot of known issues getting stuck in afghanistan. if there is an alternative mechanized vehicle, i think there would be a high possibility that it would be the Bronco.
commonality, parts, speed, quiet , low track pressure, proven off road performance and ease of mounting weapons on top. what more can any infantrymen ask for ?
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Originally posted by sgstars:
what ya mean 60km in 5 days ? 60km in 5 days is boy scout distance. :)
infantry walk whatever we have to walk. distance is inconsequential. afterall. a line on a map means nothing. absolutely nothing.
i think the 300 terrex are meant to be V-200 replacements. V-200 used by quite a few units. and they are bordering on being ancient. really need to be replaced and replaced soon.
try doing some guesswork and fitting the terrex into SAF inf battalion force structure. the numbers dont quite add up imo. numbers are too small.
doubt the 300 terrex order is the real deal.
any chance we'd order the stryker or the piranah III ? unlikely right ? there was a picture of CoA in a terrex belonging to 9 div. the stryker has alot of known issues getting stuck in afghanistan. if there is an alternative mechanized vehicle, i think there would be a high possibility that it would be the Bronco.
commonality, parts, speed, quiet , low track pressure, proven off road performance and ease of mounting weapons on top. what more can any infantrymen ask for ?
For one thing, we know that the SAF doesn't do with sweeping changes overnight. 300 vehicles might be just the initial order. There will be lots to iron out in terms of doctrine, as well as technical issues that may surface.
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ah, I believe the the infantry will still need to walk, albiet a shorter distance. Afterall, the AIs do dismount and walk a distance to engage the enemy. But the days of ppl tell u "i walked 60km in 5 days" are long gone ...
gd4uI guess then that gd4u is a boy scout.
what ya mean 60km in 5 days ? 60km in 5 days is boy scout distance. :)
infantry walk whatever we have to walk. distance is inconsequential. afterall. a line on a map means nothing. absolutely nothing.
sgstarssgstars , what then a real life SAF infantry walk ? I heard that it was something like 100 km in 3 days which I guess will be tough for a boy scout
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
I guess then that gd4u is a boy scout.
sgstars , what then a real life SAF infantry walk ? I heard that it was something like 100 km in 3 days which I guess will be tough for a boy scout
eh, i didnt mean to direct it in any way or any person. certaintly dont mean gd4u is a boy scout.
i dont know the exact figures but it depends on your SAF infantry under what conditions, mission requirements and on what terrain. i mean, you definitely cant cover 100km in 3 days in Brunei. if you can do that, you probably are commando grade in terms of fitness.
personal record was i walked about 40~45km in one day. usually its abit lesser given that our training areas in singapore dont exactly allow you to walk from point A to point B without making huge loops to achieve distance.
and the thing is, map distance is just that. map distance. walking distance is usually much further.
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Originally posted by sgstars:
kindly desist from spawning and spouting rubbish here.
it would be appreciated if you can be more like most of your threads, die quick and die off without anyone giving a damn about them.
S-cat is asking if anyone knows of any additional information about the potential platform. if you still cant get it, more information that isnt publicly avaliable.
we dont need you to state the obvious. (but in your case, congratulations, great achievement. usually you barely even manage to do so. you must be getting smarter). if we wanted to, we would have read it for ourselves.
@S-cat :
doubt you could honestly get it here. maybe you could find out more if you knew someone from armour ?
how many know to get army news online?Not 100%.
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Terrex if it is really ordered, with its wheels will be useful for road based campaigns.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
how many know to get army news online?Not 100%.
unlike you, people do get straits times and people who are genuinely interested in military affairs do make an effort to read up.
how many people are as ignorant as you ? definitely nowhere close. you are just about one of a kind.
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
I guess then that gd4u is a boy scout.
sgstars , what then a real life SAF infantry walk ? I heard that it was something like 100 km in 3 days which I guess will be tough for a boy scout
I dunno, but sgstars might have walked longer in a shorter time span than me. But for me, that particular 60km for me is no joke n i will continue to remember it. That is not the discussion here anyway.
BTT, the stryker and Terrex are quite close in their specifications (other than engine), I doubt the SAF would have 2 different vehicles that will raise their maintainence costs. There might be technical learning differences between them too.
I guess that the motorised infantry would have Terrex (if ordered) and Broncos for its battalion assets. The terrex just doesn't seem to hvae the capacity to load up assets stores and its troops as well.
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Hats off to gd4u for covering 60 km in 5 days & to sgstars for covering 40-45 km in a day - a personal feat for each. Viva la Infantry !
I believe Terrex has one of the largest ( 12.2 m3 ) internal volumes for similar type of vehicle. Its carrying capacity is 12 + 2 crew - hence shud be bigger than M113 and Bionix.
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i don't know if people just wanted this thread to die off, but it seemed really interesting, so i hope people dont mind if i revive it.
i honestly believe the terrex would be the motorised platform of the future. one only needs to look at all our army camps and note that they're far away from each other, connected by roads, much like any other urbanised country. the benefits of the terrex is that it is wheeled, and locally made (or at least designed. somehow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrex mentioned timoney and turkey being involved). sure the stryker would be good for us, but i highly doubt we'd buy anything that has born the brunt of so much criticism after deployment in iraq.
Being wheeled, training would not be compromised. any infantry bn can simply hop on the terrex, and do night movement to any of our distant training areas, with no worries about damaging the roads as per tracked vehicles (bronco, bionix etc). Being locally produced, we'd have a good say of how we want to configure the vehicle, to suit our needs, something that singapore likes to do very much.
i believe the terrex was on display at the recent army open house/ airshow or something, cause i saw civilian pictures in the public domain SOMEWHERE. LazerLordz, you'd probably know, being in militaryphotos.net. everyone can see its interior and see how much comfortable it is as opposed to the M113.
Sepacat, your point about having to dismount is very interesting. were you ex-AI?
And my guys have actually sat inside one. it really is awesome. can anyone say aircon? (ADJUSTABLE aircon? hahahha) ;)
On a sidenote, this whole MINDEF crackdown on army 'secrets' is totally understandable, but really quite annoying. what consituates a secret anyway? i'd love to share with you guys my experiences in the M113 (within opspec of course, i was from a motorised bn), but i'm seriously afraid of getting issued a charge sheet.
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Hmm, "was from a Motorised Bn". So far, not many Bns are classified as motorised capable. With 3SIR leading the way, if i am not wrong, most of the current Inf Bns would have been motorised or have motorisation course on their scheldue.
I guess u might just want to leave out the tactics. Just go on general ... shouldn't be a problem.