UK confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco worths 150 m pounds

• Fingolfin_Noldor

  20 Dec 08, 00:45

  Could the mods like.. ban him from the forums or something?

• Shotgun

  20 Dec 08, 06:14

  I think only Fireice or admin level access can do that.  And with good reason too.

• sgstars

  20 Dec 08, 11:02

  The irony of Lionnoisy's postings and its relevance to me is that.

  i have a much much  lower opinion of STK's products after i read up more about STK and listening to his constant ranting.

  @fingolfin Noldor

  he's just being a jackass, there are other serious mil nut forums in singapore. this one isnt serious whatsoever. its more like pubz, and lionnoisy is the king jackass that frequently starts the pub brawls

• storywolf

  20 Dec 08, 17:53

  Originally posted by Shotgun:

  I think only Fireice or admin level access can do that.  And with good reason too.

  
  Stop complaining !!! You all are guilty crossing the line bullying lionnoisy or as bystander let other cross the line. Well you all created this monster, now you have to live with it !!! Banned him - then you better also banned those who create this monster !
• sgstars

  20 Dec 08, 18:59

  Originally posted by storywolf:

  
  Stop complaining !!! You all are guilty crossing the line bullying lionnoisy or as bystander let other cross the line. Well you all created this monster, now you have to live with it !!! Banned him - then you better also banned those who create this monster !

  eh abang !

  dont like that lah, please examine the facts and truths from offcial sources first (to quote lionnoisy)

  like it or not, Lionnoisy has being dumping his crap all over SGforums. not just the milnuts forums, but the political forums (where he blatantly claims to be Pro-PAP and  flamebaiting and attracting brickbats all the time)

  Lionnoisy is a monster out of your definition and Monster is a value judgement that really depends on your perspective. I personally wouldnt call him a monster even though i think he's a first class idiot.

  In case you havent realize, the line is drawn in the manner of which we respond to lionnoisy. its always a rearguard action, a defensive manuever. no one attacks or calls lionnoisy a monster out of choice, but responds to him. ITs not a offensive gesture, its not aggressive in nature. its always passive.

  That degree of response, depending on the individual usually ranges from

  A) offering a logical rebuttal (which never works)

  B) making fun of him (which usually does)

  and which of either response that you disagree with ? response A is not appropriate since he just ignores it and floods with a wall of text. Response B is morally and Ethically wrong ?

  lets not apply value judgements here. Lionnoisy is making a fool of himself and is to be treated like a fool. its measure for measure. Dont try to claim the moral high ground by saying we are all bullying lionnoisy. He's behaving like a clown. ought to be treated like one.

  remember too,  we never labelled lionnoisy as a monster. Its you who are labelling him as a monster.

• Fingolfin_Noldor

  21 Dec 08, 00:13

  Originally posted by storywolf:

  
  Stop complaining !!! You all are guilty crossing the line bullying lionnoisy or as bystander let other cross the line. Well you all created this monster, now you have to live with it !!! Banned him - then you better also banned those who create this monster !

  God... why is it that most of the idiots around here can't even put forward a coherent argument to even defend someone? What this idiot is essentially saying is that it is not good to ban monsters!

• sgstars

  21 Dec 08, 00:43

  Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:

  God... why is it that most of the idiots around here can't even put forward a coherent argument to even defend someone? What this idiot is essentially saying is that it is not good to ban monsters!

  it'd be nice if you could appreciate the irony here.

  we are all becoming idiots arguing over an idiot because we cant agree on whether the idiot is a monster or is a plain idiot, or defending others who believe that its an idiot.

  and no, if you understand where this idiot(storywolf) is coming from, he's using a cause and effect essentialist explaination, blaming everyone else for everything. Which doubles the irony because he dosent realize that he is contributing to the overall idiocity of the entire situation.

  Its supreme irony that we are all becoming idiots because of an argument over an idiot whose idiocity is beyond dispute.(referring to lionnoisy here). i guess that is the nature of Sgforums. pub brawls and not really serious discussion.

   

   

   

• Shotgun

  21 Dec 08, 04:05

  Arguing over an idiot... Really slick guys.  

  Pop a chill pill, and take the posts with a pinch of salt, dash of pepper and a sense of humor. =D

• storywolf

  21 Dec 08, 10:50

  Originally posted by sgstars:

  it'd be nice if you could appreciate the irony here.

  we are all becoming idiots arguing over an idiot because we cant agree on whether the idiot is a monster or is a plain idiot, or defending others who believe that its an idiot.

  and no, if you understand where this idiot(storywolf) is coming from, he's using a cause and effect essentialist explaination, blaming everyone else for everything. Which doubles the irony because he dosent realize that he is contributing to the overall idiocity of the entire situation.

  Its supreme irony that we are all becoming idiots because of an argument over an idiot whose idiocity is beyond dispute.(referring to lionnoisy here). i guess that is the nature of Sgforums. pub brawls and not really serious discussion.

   

   

   

  
  

  Sure i am contributing to the overall idiocity by siting on the grand stand with pop-corn to see the most idiot show in circus !!!

  Why not when the most idiot circus act is on - "idiot lion hunted by idiot hunters". Making fun of lion work? yep in your dream, it make you all more funnier !!! As the hunters lost direction and they became more funny then lion.

  This is even getting funnier - now the casts that put up the idiot show is blaming audience for being idiot to see their idiot show.

  Lionnoisy - Oscar award best actor

  Hunters - Oscar award best supporting cast

  Storywolf - Oscar award best supporting audience

  Military nut - Oscar award best circus and comedy channel

• lionnoisy

  21 Dec 08, 11:23

  added on 24 Feb,actual Warthog

  First public showing for STK’s Warthog

  

  ''Displayed is a standard Bronco with many of the Warthog modifications''

  http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/idex2009/

  pl read my post on .24 Feb

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  show---Originally posted by sgstars:

   crap i cant believe in.

  1) you couldnt differentiate between the Bv206, Mk I viking and mk2 viking and you think you can cover your sorry ass with this lousy phathetic statement ?

  i m sorry lionnoisy, you are taking your stupidity to another level. one which i wont stand for.

   

  reading your posts is like watching someone who rolls in a spot where he has just relieved himself of shit.

  2) MOD requirements do not state IED protection. they are more worried about mines in afghanistan rather than IED.

  relevance ? IRAQ not = afghanistan moron.

  which part of MOD says they not happy with the viking ? everything ive posted here seems to suggest otherwise.

  dont be a clown and persist on your one-track logic. you want relevance ? its staring right in your face. relavance which you cant deny or run away from lionnoisy.

  fact : BvS10 combat proven, combat tested, well regarded
  unknown : Bronco, not combat proven, not combat tested. operational use yes. but operational use under extreme conditions, NO.

  fact : Lionnoisy cannot differentiate between BvS10 and BvS10 mark II and tries to cover up for it by editing post later

  3) why cannot answer my  point about  not being combat proven / climate conditions ? too stupid to think ? post other people's post without thinking ?

  why cant u read and differentiate the difference between viking mk I and mk 2 ? after pwnage then change the original post ?

  (self-pwn)(self-pwn) = self-pwn²

  why are you asking me about the specs of ST eng brochure ? if ST eng PDF say bronco can fly to the moon and come back you'd believe ? if ST eng say it produce AMAP-ADS would you believe ? if ST eng brochure tells me that Lionnoisy is a dumbass would i believe ? sure certainly ! i can believe that.

  how about this :

  

  

   

  any proof of the bronco doing this in real life ?

  quoting a ST eng brochure isnt evidence. it isnt facts. its just shows your level of desperation when u cant find stuff to post.

  flogging a dead horse again my dear lion ? or should i quote you on this ?

  explaination : Yes, its OBVIOUS you DONT K(NO)W ANYTHING.

   

  3) so now you resort to 3rd hand postings , not even acknowledging the user who posted the content and the poster who posted the link ?

  lol... whatever happened to your OFFICIAL SOURCE and OFFICIAL SITE and OFFICIAL evidence ?

  you realized that this is about credible as wiping your soiled bottom with a tissue paper and trying to pass it off as currency ?

  the poster's point (i) is rendered moot, the mk2 viking has an added capacity to carry and have more heavy armour

  (ii) i cant contest since i havent read the Jane's article

  (iii) the poster entirely discounts the fact that operational conditions under combat fire affect a vehicle's SOP and management quite differently from normal situation.

  i.e , if you have a viking, you more or less know where the quirks/flaws/weaknesses are, rather than a untested/ unfamiliar platform whose reliability under combat strain and conditions are not known.

  i.e u cant compare operating lim chu kang Area D with Afghanistan Helmland province. you have so many other variables like

  -threat level

  -environmental

  -humidity

  and many others i cant be bothered to mention for the sheer straightfowardness of it.

  would they rather have a platform when the realize the 2nd vehicle/coupled module may roll over in battle conditions ? would they have a platform when they realise that the hydraulics may fail under certain temperature conditions ?

  combat proven and tested is a invaluable factor that shows that the platform is stable and tested and can be relied upon to function when called to duty. Why you make so much noise about Wedgetail and orphan platforms in the australia thread when you dont acknowledge the Bronco being in the same position ?

  why the bigotry lionnoisy ? why ? double- standards ? answer the fucking qn here.

  point (iv) no contest. its one of te selling points of the Bronco, modularity = versatality

  point (V) : i m sure that knowledgeable poster would be aware of that AMAP-ADS dosent come standard on all broncos.

  I m equally sure that the german IBD passive armour package is neither standard issue and is avaliable as a modular add on.

  suffice to say, its like saying, WOW, this car has all these accessories, but in reality, you have no interest in acquiring all of them. big deal really.

  ive rebutted your points and supposedly non "OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION AND PROOF" nonsense.

  now, tell me, whats a queene ? i m still eagerly awaiting that one. tell me the performance of the BvS 10 ?

   

  and yes you idiot, the Viking Mk2 can do all that and more. even the current viking can haul a SR mortar. simply proves my point you never ever read the links you post or what others post ?

  can the bronco haul an ATGM team behind ? is the Bronco Air conditioned ?

  http://www.army-technology.com/projects/viking/

   

   even  the BV206 can function as a mortar carrier.

  your talk about the viking lacking these capabilities is a NON-issue. their class of vehicles offer a degree of modularity and flexibility in operations.

  Bronco can do all the above and MORE!!

  Pl dunt think Bronco is not proven in war then is not good.

  ST guys have tested Bronco in extreme weathers and in ST facilitites.

  The choice of UK MOD speaks volume for the absolute ability of BvS 10

  and the comparsions between two!!BvS 10 was proved to be not up to tasks

  in Afghanistan!!

  "we (lion note :UK MOD)have reached the limit of its ability to carry extra weight and protection. This is why we intend to replace Viking in Afghanistan with an alternative, better protected, high mobility vehicle, to be known as Warthog;"

  http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm081029/wmstext/81029m0001.htm

  A platform fielded in war dunt mean it is PROVEN!!

  It is to be proved!!

  Now it is proved BvS 10

  not suitable for the tasks there.Pl note i am not saying BvS 10

  is bad.It is just ,according to UK MOD with a UK House of Common Hansard report

  i list above,

  not suitable continued to be fielded in Afghan.

  All the remainder of BvS 10 will be recalled

  and continue their service in UK!!79 % of the remaining fleeting are still

  Fit for Purposes,minus 18 vehicles waiting to be replaced.

  The BvS 10 are still good for service in UK,but not in Afghan combat situation!!

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  u said:any proof of the bronco doing this in real life ?

  ST guys do not need to lie in brochure.First ST is not 100% profits driven.

  The defense of SG is top priority,not the $$$.2 nd,ST is a listed company.

  All the official info is liable for sue from investors if the info is found

  not correct or misleading.ST guys would be damn stupid if they bluff

  in the brochure.They are not looking for many business in order to get

  big bonus!!Therefore,i have confidences,as much as UK MOD,that Bronco

  can perform all the followings.How about current and proposed(future)

  BvS 10????

  

  Bronco --below with 120 mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar Sys--SRAMS(in production and in servise)

  

  Aerospace 2004
  Copyrights 2005 - www.one35th.com

  http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_variants.htm---valuable sources of Bionix

  and Bronco here.

• lionnoisy

  21 Dec 08, 11:35

  i forget to put sources of spec

  http://www.stengg.com/upload/914WVBGLfb3dh4hGDkd.pdf

  http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf

• NewKidOnTheBlock

  21 Dec 08, 15:24

  "I repeat my serious appeal

  to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!

  No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,

  and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when

  people watching news and see  Yankee carring a SAR 21!!

  Then they remember Oh Singapore."  >> LionNoisy

  I am just curious .. whats the big deal about bidding for M4 replacement ?? Its all about $$$$ especially in this bad economy .. If ST K can win the bid to replace the M4s .. we are talking about alot of $$$ , not to mention our pride of the SAR 21 being M-I-S ( Made in Singapore )

  To have the US soldiers carry SAR 21s is just like having the terrorists carrying China or Russian Made AK kalashinovs .. Do we associate the terrorists with China or Russia ? No rite ? Those were your own views .. sadly . that i view as biased and self-opininated ..

  For the Record , I wouldnt mind the US army carrying SAR21s with GL .. and I am Singaporean. I would say Yay to any friendly country interested in our defence products.. why not ? So to say NO Singaporean would want to associate  .. would be a unfair statement rite ? This would be probably why other forumers are quick to rebutt you.

   

   

• lionnoisy

  21 Dec 08, 18:02

  Originally posted by NewKidOnTheBlock:

  "I repeat my serious appeal

  to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!

  No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,

  and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when

  people watching news and see  Yankee carring a SAR 21!!

  Then they remember Oh Singapore."  >> LionNoisy

  I am just curious .. whats the big deal about bidding for M4 replacement ?? Its all about $$$$ especially in this bad economy .. If ST K can win the bid to replace the M4s .. we are talking about alot of $$$ , not to mention our pride of the SAR 21 being M-I-S ( Made in Singapore )

  To have the US soldiers carry SAR 21s is just like having the terrorists carrying China or Russian Made AK kalashinovs .. Do we associate the terrorists with China or Russia ? No rite ? Those were your own views .. sadly . that i view as biased and self-opininated ..

  For the Record , I wouldnt mind the US army carrying SAR21s with GL .. and I am Singaporean. I would say Yay to any friendly country interested in our defence products.. why not ? So to say NO Singaporean would want to associate  .. would be a unfair statement rite ? This would be probably why other forumers are quick to rebutt you.

  oh thanks for feed back.Can u move to M4 replacement to continue discussions?

   

• lionnoisy

  21 Dec 08, 18:22

  Janes Defense Weekly 12.11.2008 provides proposed spec of

  BvS 10 Mk 2 :by Christopher F Foss reported from Oruskoldsvik, Sweden:

  (lion note:who did pay for his bills?)

  I am suprised that by increasing one ton,pay load can be increased by near one fold.

  But it is sad to learn IBD Active Defense Sys is to be demonstrated

  within 12 months.UK MOD is Urgently looking for replacement.How can they

  wait for BvS 10 Mk 2 to be proved within 12 months?

  They need off the shelf products and to be sent to Afhgan.

  JDW Titled ---BvS 10 enhanced to Mk 2 Standard

  summary--

  ---all current BvS 10 can be converted to Mk 2 spec.

  payload at least 5.8 tons(lion note---5800 kg,currently BvS 10 3160kg,

  .........................................Mk 1 max 3850 kg)

  Gross Vehicle Weight(GVW) increased by just one ton to more than 13 tons,

  BOQ--nearly double that of the legacy vehicle for just a ton invrease in GVW

  EOQ

  Proposed spec from JDW

  ---developed and tested in 2a and 2 b mine protection for front and rear

  units,

  --BOQ-IBD Active Defense Sys to be demonstrated on vehicle within 12 months,EOQ

  ---engine 6.9 liter.improved steering,braking,suspension,and cooling sys,

  ----eletricity 240 A,

  references

  1.http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf

  2.step by step to ATTC in Janes

  http://www.janes.com/articles/

  Land Forces

  http://www.janes.com/articles/indepth/jmvl.html

  Jane’s Military Vehicles and Logistics

  http://www.janes.com/articles/indepth/jmvl.html

  *ALL-TERRAIN CARRIERS AND PRIME MOVERS/Singapore/Singapore Technologies Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC)

   

  *ALL-TERRAIN CARRIERS AND PRIME MOVERS/Sweden/BAE Systems Hägglunds Bandvagn Bv 206 all-terrain carrier

  3.http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_pioneer4.htm

  k,,,

• lionnoisy

  21 Dec 08, 18:30

  UK MOD is still looking for 47 to 212 units of All Terrain Vehicle (Support),

  to replace BV 206.

• sgstars

  22 Dec 08, 02:05

  Originally posted by NewKidOnTheBlock:

  "I repeat my serious appeal

  to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!

  No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,

  and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when

  people watching news and see  Yankee carring a SAR 21!!

  Then they remember Oh Singapore."  >> LionNoisy

  I am just curious .. whats the big deal about bidding for M4 replacement ?? Its all about $$$$ especially in this bad economy .. If ST K can win the bid to replace the M4s .. we are talking about alot of $$$ , not to mention our pride of the SAR 21 being M-I-S ( Made in Singapore )

  To have the US soldiers carry SAR 21s is just like having the terrorists carrying China or Russian Made AK kalashinovs .. Do we associate the terrorists with China or Russia ? No rite ? Those were your own views .. sadly . that i view as biased and self-opininated ..

  For the Record , I wouldnt mind the US army carrying SAR21s with GL .. and I am Singaporean. I would say Yay to any friendly country interested in our defence products.. why not ? So to say NO Singaporean would want to associate  .. would be a unfair statement rite ? This would be probably why other forumers are quick to rebutt you.

   

   

  dude.

  u been to the zoo before ? same rules here. do not feed the lion.

  but different context. in the zoo, you get worried the lion might bite your hand off as its part of the snack.

  here you get worried as the lion simply makes more poo-poo and is encouraged to defecate freely around.

• sgstars

  22 Dec 08, 02:19

  and lionnoisy ,

  who's the one comparing BvS10 and Bronco ? why cannot find specs of BvS10 mk II to compare to Bronco ?

  why persist in comparing a vehicle from a different weight and payload class ?

  floggging a dead horse ?

  whats a queene ?

  why cannot answer about SOCOM SCAR FCS ?

  why run away from the peagasus/m777 thread ?

  why cannot justify your LCS 1 ship = 1 fleet logic argument ?

  why claim FN2000 has no FCS ?

  Why compare Pegasus and M777 when they have different weight and features such as a APU ?

  why no mention of excalibur integration with M777A2 and not with pegasus ?

  Why choose to cherry pick your "official facts and infromations" ?

  why lie, cheat and decieve ?

  why spam ?

  why crap ?

  why make the whole forum pissed off with you ?

  merry christmas anyway, thanks for being the resident idiot.

  DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd

  BTWTJWBTJJ
  
  <insert unintelligble nonsense here>

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• lionnoisy

  22 Dec 08, 18:01

  Accoding to Jane's Armour and Artillery 2006--07,

  go to APC(tracked) and go to Sweden,not UK!!

  BvS 10 was launched in 1998.

  Contract,worth 73 million pounds, awarded 2000,first delivery 2001 or 2002.

  In 2005,delivery of 108 BvS 10 to UK was completed .

  This include 71 troop carrier,31 command vehicle,and 6 repair and recovery

  vehicle.Before the acceptance of service in Feb 2004,trials were

  done in Norway,Oman,Sweden and USA!!

  IOC March 2005.

  @@@@@@@@@@@

  http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm081008/text/81008w0006.htm

  u can see from my previous posting that 79% of  BvS are still fitted for purpose,

  but inclusive of 18 vehicles waiting to be replaced.

  So,i think the order of Bronco ,which is more than 100 vehicles,

  will replace all the remainder BvS 10 vehicle delivered in 2002 to 05.

  @@@@@@@@@@@@

  Is it very strange that UK MOD replace a major platform after using it

  for less than 10 years?

   

• lionnoisy

  22 Dec 08, 18:19

  http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_index.html

  

  very good source of info about military stuff ,including

  ATTC Bronco and BvS 206 BIONIX and much more!!

  http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/BAE-Systems-Hagglunds-BvS-10-armoured-personnel-carrier-Sweden.html

  Armoured personnel carriers (tracked)/Singapore/Singapore Technologies Kinetics All-Terrain Tracked Carrier (Bronco)

  hard copy 2006--07 says:

  Bronco capacity:

  Front Unit--Driver + Commander + 6 PAX-passengers(3 on either side at rear).

  ...........Engine at rear of Frone unit.(lion note--remember Bronco can cross trench

  ......................of 2 meter wide!!)Max PAX or cargo payload 1200 kg.

  Rear Unit-----10 PAX ,5 on either side,max PAX payload 3000 kg.or

  .........................Cargo 3700 kg.(lion note:i think Jane's refer to flatbed mode,

  ...........................not in enclosed mode.pl refer to brochure)

  TOTAL 18 PERSONS!!(two sections lah)

  Jane's say the two units in same weight if both in full loadings.

  IBD of Germany developed modular passive protection for Bronco.

  Endless moudled rubber track by SOULY International of Canada.

  @@@@@@@@@@@@

  ST www.stengg.com brochure

  Total Payload (Depending on equipment/options)......enclosed 4800,flatbed 5300.

• lionnoisy

  22 Dec 08, 18:27

  Compare with BvS 10 and variants payload:

   BvS 10 --launched 1998--3160kg,(when Bronco launched,payload 4800 kg)

  Mk 1 proposed  max 3850 kg

  Mk 2 proposed max---5800 kg(but Gross Vehicle weight just increase by 1000 kg!!)

• Shotgun

  22 Dec 08, 19:28

  Btw, its "Solely"

• lionnoisy

  22 Dec 08, 20:44

  Red by sgstars--black --reply by lionnoisy
  

  Originally posted by sgstars:

  and lionnoisy ,

  who's the one comparing BvS10 and Bronco ? why cannot find specs of BvS10 mk II to compare to Bronco ?Spec of Mk 2--The answer is just on the top of your head!!

  why persist in comparing a vehicle from a different weight and payload class ?--

  OMG!!BvS 10 (together with its variants) and Branco is same type.

  Just the latter can carry more.Thanks to ST guys hard work.BvS 10 launched

  in 1998---payload 3160 kg.Bronco in 2001--payload 4800 kg.BAE shall impove BvS 10 earlier,not last minute increase payload 100 % but Gross Vehicle Weight increase 

  just by one ton.

  Will u believe it?

  Compare with BvS 10 and variants payload:

   BvS 10 --launched 1998--3160kg,(when Bronco launched,payload 4800 kg)

  Mk 1 proposed  max 3850 kg

  Mk 2 proposed max---5800 kg(but Gross Vehicle weight just increase by 1000 kg!!)

  floggging a dead horse ?

  whats a queene ?

  why cannot answer about SOCOM SCAR FCS ?---What is official status?

  Still under testing?

  why run away from the peagasus/m777 thread ?--I am just back.u are welcome.
  

  why cannot justify your LCS 1 ship = 1 fleet logic argument ?--??

  why claim FN2000 has no FCS ?--What is official status?FN dropped fancy

  name of Modular etc from the name.

  Why compare Pegasus and M777 when they have different weight and features such as a APU ?----I dunt mind M 777 get a engine.

  both are same type but Pegasus get power!!Little engine

  make big differences!!Life and Deaths!!

  why no mention of excalibur integration with M777A2 and not with pegasus ?---

  oh Pl do so.Pl make a long report here.I am too busy.

  I am not one sided and said many time all intelligent info are

  welcome.

  the followings ia hve to check dictionary lah.....

  Why choose to cherry pick your "official facts and infromations" ?

  why lie, cheat and decieve ?

  why spam ?

  why crap ?

  why make the whole forum pissed off with you ?

  merry christmas anyway, thanks for being the resident idiot.

  DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd

  BTWTJWBTJJ
  
  <insert unintelligble nonsense here>

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  kk

  nnn

• sgstars

  23 Dec 08, 00:06

  excuse me... did the lion just crap all over the forums again ?

  lol, where's the source for your BvS10 mk2. none of your links show the BvS10 mark II payload.

  PROOF ? where is it ? making things up ?

  

  why so selective about your answers ? why refuse to mention the fact that you still

  (a) cant answer whats a queene
  (b) cant provide a full description of the BvS10 Mk II
  (c) why in all your posting here , you compared the BvS10 and the Bronco ? an altogether different class and weight/payload comparison ? do you understand that the BvS10 is not comparable to the Bronco and the BvS206 ?
  (d) so by your definition this can compare to this

  

  to this la ?

  

  blah blah blah.... u reek of desperation

  why ? just because no one pays u attention you are unleashing your

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  and guess what ?

  its not working :) ? why suddenly increased your activity in so many threads ? why no one paying you any attention ? why suddenly cant get an audience ? why nobody bother to challenge you in your Primus ARV or your M777 vs Pegasus or your Bronco lalala bullshit ?

  simply because...

  

  go get a life. smell the trees, sniff a dog. i dont care. your reign of nuisance has come to an end. i will disrupt any attempt by you to terrorize this forum with your bullshit.

   

   

   

• DH

  30 Dec 08, 05:51

  

  Can anyone tell me the make and model of the trailer attached to the Bronco rear unit please.

  Thanks in advance.

• Man!x

  30 Dec 08, 10:49

  i read in the Straits Times that the armour can protect up to 7.62 and fragmentation, how about RPGs & IEDs?