UK confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco worths 150 m pounds
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The correct thread shall be
UK confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco to place Viking in Afghanistan
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UK MOD confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco in 4 variants ,' replacing
the Viking in Afghanistan.'
'- a troop carrier, an ambulance, a command vehicle and a repair and recovery vehicle. The ambulance variant will be capable of carrying casualties, medics and kit. Warthog's repair and recovery variant will be fitted with a crane and winch, and will have the capability of towing another 18-tonne Warthog vehicle back from the front line.'
The contract,of 150 million pounds,"are just one of a number of Protected Patrol Vehicles that will be bought as part of a £700M package of Urgent Operational Requirements recently announced by the Defence Secretary John Hutton."
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SG products are not the cheapest nor SAF is not the sole mandatory purchaser.
The ST stuff are just value for money.In this forum ,it is political incorrect
to say SG or ST products are better than G 8 countries!!Especially,
USA,UK,Oz etc!!
I salute UK MOD to buy this important platform from this little small dot.
Previoulsy,UK bought grenades from ST Kinetics.
ST sells 40mm ammo to UK MOD Military Nuts
I am not suprised becos Bionix was one of the 4 finalist of USA
Medium Armoured Vehicle and the only foreign vehicle.
Stryker - was the winner.
Ref:
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=387930&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=True
A BEAST of a vehicle will be unleashed on operations when MOD converts more than 100 Broncos, from Singapore Technologies Kinetics, into Warthog armoured vehicles for the Armed Forces in Afghanistan.18 December 2008
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There are more variants in ST products list.
120mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System on
Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc
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http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc
The mortar can be remotely controlled.Pl watch the video
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=128
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video and info
Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja6s4sZ6t_g
sworddrill
February 09, 20072.http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_intro.htm
http://www.stengg.com/upload/914WVBGLfb3dh4hGDkd.pdf
http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf
BvS 10 Mk1.................Bronco
SPECIFICATION
Dimension
Length 7.6 m.......8.6m
Width 2.2 m....2.3
Height....................2.2
front car 2.2 m
rear car 2.1 m
Curb weight
front car 5000 kg.......front & rear 11,200
rear car, APC version 3500 kg
rear car, empty chassis 2450 kg
Payload (Depending on equipment/options)......enclosed 4800,flatbed 5300
front car 800 kg
rear car 2000 - 3050 kg
Passengers
front car 4....6(Bronco include driver)
rear car 8.....10
Maximum trailer weight 3000 kg
Specific ground pressurefront car 17.2 kPa.......#as light as a human foot,@
rear car 18.7 kPa#much lower than Bionix 0.69--0.76 kg/cm2.read
http://www.dsta.gov.sg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2061&Itemid=401
@http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_intro2.htm
BvS 10 Mk1.................Bronco
Performance
Max. speed
on road 65 km/h...60
in water 5 km/h....5
Gradeability
hard surface 100% (45º).....60%
deep snow 30% (17º)........unknownside slope...unknown....30%
Vertical obstacle..unknown.......1m
Trench crossing..unknown......2 m
Range on roads 300km.....unknown
Operating temp
max + 49ºC
min - 46ºCBvS 10 Mk1.................Bronco
Engine
Type 6-cyl in-line
Power 202 kW (275 HP)2500 rpm.....350bhp ,2400rpm
Torque 950 Nm (700 lb.ft/1500 rpm DIN....unknownTransmission
Type Automatic 6 speed forward;1 reverse...fully automaticSteering system
Type hydrostatic, articulated, damped......hydraulic,articulated
Turning diameter 14 m...unknown
Emergency steering standardTracks
Type moulded rubber with cord
Width 0.6 m 4-track driveElectrical system
Voltage 24 V DC
Alternator 100 A
Material
armour steel Protection...................Active Defense System AMAP-ADS and .....................................................Multi-Purpose IED-Protection.read #
Direct fire 7,62 x 51 ball (basic)
7,62 AP (option) with
add-on protection
Air-conditioning system Yes
NBC protection Option
Fire extinguishing system OptionVariants
repair recovery vehicle....Field worhshop
command vehicle,.........unknown
troop carrier ....troop carrier
ambulance.....ambulance
unknown...............120 mm SRAMS
end of quote
# read page 2 of this thread.
http://www.ibd-deisenroth-engineering.de/news.html
http://www.ibd-deisenroth-engineering.de/amap-ads-active-defense-systems.html
http://www.stengg.com/upload/914WVBGLfb3dh4hGDkd.pdf
http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf
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nice to drive, can run on land can swim in water.
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its a great day for SG and STK indeed. but lets not get carried away with RAH RAH SINGHA PURRRRRRRRAH like lionnoisy
sources on other forums have speculated that STK will not be able to meet production deadlines and may have to draw on Broncos being stored up in reserve to meet delivery requirements
if the bronco screws up in afghanistan. that would be the end of it's export prospects. this is really nothing but a beginning. would be nice to cap this by describing it as the Bronco's Trial by Fire.
if it suceeds in stan, it will probably raise STK's profile and the platform's profile. how many combat proven products that STK produces ? But if it fails..
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Originally posted by sgstars:
its a great day for SG and STK indeed. but lets not get carried away with RAH RAH SINGHA PURRRRRRRRAH like lionnoisy
sources on other forums have speculated that STK will not be able to meet production deadlines and may have to draw on Broncos being stored up in reserve to meet delivery requirements
if the bronco screws up in afghanistan. that would be the end of it's export prospects. this is really nothing but a beginning. would be nice to cap this by describing it as the Bronco's Trial by Fire.
if it suceeds in stan, it will probably raise STK's profile and the platform's profile. how many combat proven products that STK produces ? But if it fails..
This is a peanut deal.Neither ST Kinetics nor SG gavaman need the profits.
I am afraid all these ammo and weapons exports will create enemy
to Singapore and people.I dunt want any Singaporean,touch wood,
will be targeted in any hostage!!I repeat my serious appeal
to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!
No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,
and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when
people watching news and see Yankee carring a SAR 21!!
Then they remember Oh Singapore.
I salute top brass of UK MoD who put their heads on chopping board
They risk their carrer for the lifes of British soldiers.
For them,the political correct decision is BvS 10 and its upgraded version.
No body can blame them if further failures of enhanced BvS 10 happen.
The reasons are brand name---BV 206 and BvS 10.
But in the first place,why the top brass need to call for a tender if
they are happy with Viking?The answer is very simple.
I think The troops and the top brass are not happy with Viking!!
u guys go to get some tender doc then u will know their reasons!!
There is a link in the old thread--UK to buy Bronco.
But for the protections of the lifes of British soldiers,
the decision maker choose Bronco.The key is over all
performances,not this or that imperfect items!!
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They need courage to buy stuff from SG.U can imagne a lot of lobbying
have been done to ask them drop ST!!
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no one can tell me if Viking can perform all these.
take note,crossing trench--u need make the CG of the front unit at back.
I think the length of front unit is about 5 m.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
This is a peanut deal.Neither ST Kinetics nor SG gavaman need the profits.
I am afraid all these ammo and weapons exports will create enemy
to Singapore and people.I dunt want any Singaporean,touch wood,
will be targeted in any hostage!!I repeat my serious appeal
to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!
No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,
and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when
people watching news and see Yankee carring a SAR 21!!
Then they remember Oh Singapore.
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from my dear friend, SGTY
Well, I think he is just about to compartmentalize very well... which is not surprising given he has long shown an keen ability to be selective about what he percieves and believes... or maybe he simply reconstructs reality to whatever he wants to believes and part of that is needing to shout that out to other people to allow his unreality to have an "effect" in the real world.
If you have been here for a while you would be aware that he was caught for using clones once. He created a thread under a false account and then started talking to himself, trying to give people the impression that at least there were people supporting.
When caught for he, he panicked and made up several bizzare excuses, accusing me of hacking his account to make him post under the false account (which by the way does not explain how he talks to himself), and then going away for a while.
Till this day if you ask him about the clone incident, he will not dare to talk about it... in fact he treats it like it didn't exist at all... which is basically what he has been doing all the while. When something crops up or a rebuttal comes up that he cannot answer (which is very often), he simply treats it like he never asked the question in the first place and moves on, and then later when enough time has passed he'll raise the same issue in the same way, as if letting a dead point lie low long enough will allow it to have any effect at all.
Not suprisingly, we've seen so many of his methods in here that nobody is really impressed by them anymore, but I suspect he keeps doing what he does is to snare the newcomers to this forum who do not know his history so he can lure them into some pro-Singapore, anti-rest-of-world monologue...
But of course if we note recently his posts have been becoming more and more ineffective, I've requested the mods personally to take action against him if he decides to troll in this forum, so they're watching him careful.
I wonder if he'll learn any lesson from the latest incident of his threads getting pwned.
But in any case this remains the same- he's all noise and no bite... i mean has he ever won anybody to his side after 3 disasterous years in here?
Nope, he's just wasting his energy venting and trying to create a picture of Singapore that isn't... in the meantime he's just providing us with entertainment and target practice.
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Originally posted by sgstars:
...from my dear friend, SGTY
i hereby make serious complaint to all MODs that sgty and his peers like
sg stars are disturbing the normal operations of the forums.
If MODs dunt take actions against them,i will do the same things in other forums.
Pl dunt discrminate me then.Funny once is enough.
Too much is nuisances.
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The correct thread shall be
UK confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco to place Viking in Afghanistan
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=387930&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=True
BOQ
Bronco will arrive in the UK in 2009 to undergo transformation to become the armoured, all-terrain vehicle Warthog replacing the Viking in Afghanistan...
A protected gun mount, extra armour, specialist electronic counter-measure equipment and communications tools will be added before Warthog is deployed on operations.
EOQ
The jobs in UK will be done by Thales.
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One of the reasons Bronco chosen are payload.
Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier---enclosed 4800;flat bed 5300kg
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Originally posted by sgstars:
its a great day for SG and STK indeed. but lets not get carried away with RAH RAH SINGHA PURRRRRRRRAH like lionnoisy
sources on other forums have speculated that STK will not be able to meet production deadlines and may have to draw on Broncos being stored up in reserve to meet delivery requirements
if the bronco screws up in afghanistan. that would be the end of it's export prospects. this is really nothing but a beginning. would be nice to cap this by describing it as the Bronco's Trial by Fire.
if it suceeds in stan, it will probably raise STK's profile and the platform's profile. how many combat proven products that STK produces ? But if it fails..
Should they draw on the bronco reserves, they will still need to retrofit them with aircon and other stuff before passing them to Thales. That will again, still need time. Anyway, i tot there's a thread already ???
Likely, STK will do its best to deliever and further open up other markets. In a high fouling environmnet like stan, I really would like to see how Bronco can match up ... -
oh i have said official info
- Brochure----BvS 10
- 3647 Kb [pdf]
- Payload (Depending on equipment/options)
front car 800 kg
rear car 2000 - 3050 kg - Performance
Max. speed--on road 65 km/h
in water 5 km/h
Gradeability--hard surface 100% (45º)
...................deep snow 30% (17º)
Range on roads 300km
Operating temp--max + 49ºC
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- Can BvS 10 cross trench and /or climb vertical wall like Bronco?
- If so,why they do not show in brochure?
- Brochure----BvS 10
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This order is a big breakthru for ST Engr. Interesting to see if the Bronco can stand up to real combat situation.
It is a good testament to ST Engr that the British MOD and Army have selected a Singapore military product.
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go to read DSTA and search Bronco.
u can read ST guys went to locations with extreme weather to test Bronco.
UK MOD top brass dunt worry their heads.U no need worry.
They should have done a lot of home works and testings before
they make this politically and economically incorrect decisions.
In this bad time,they should give biz to BAE.
But lifes are more important.Their sons or daughters may serve in
HMG Forces!!
From Bronco to Warthog
have u seen this confige of Bronco---one to tow two?
http://www.defense-update.com/products/b/bronco_191208.html
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Despite their versatility, the Afghan arena proved too tough for the Vikings. While the vehicles effectively negotiated the terrain and provided limited protection against light threats, additional armor protection required to protect from the heavier threats typical to the Afghan conditions severely limited their operational capability and necessitated rapid replacement. Consequently, MoD was seeking a heavier, better protected vehicle to maintain the high level of mobility and operational flexibility without compromising protection.
Bronco with 18 ton GVW was selected for this role, not only for the added payload capability (which translates to capability to carry heavier armor) but also since its the curb already includes integral armor....
The Bronco's articulated design delivers exceptional mobility across a wide range of terrain and climate. The basic vehicle is delivered with an armor protection which could be augmented to meet MoD requirements, primarily to increase protection against roadside bombs. Bronco will also deliver considerable increases in range, payload and internal capacity over incumbent vehicles currently being used in Afghanistan. EOQ
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
This order is a big breakthru for ST Engr. Interesting to see if the Bronco can stand up to real combat situation.
It is a good testament to ST Engr that the British MOD and Army have selected a Singapore military product.
Yup.... lets see the Bronco in real life combat situation before we said good or no good.
But ST Engr will be able to make Bronco known to the world now.
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It took more than 20 years for ST to get this deal.
ST started the military vehicles adventures by upgrading M 113 APC.
Later,it started to design,build and assembly
Bionix Infantry Fighting Vehicle.The loss of this deal in US MAV
(read below)stimulated ST to make a wheeled
Terrex 8x8 Armoured Fighting Vehicle. The success on
Primus 155mm 39 Calibre Self Propelled Howitzer
bring ST to a new height!!
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I am not saying ST design and build every bolt and nut in each
platform. ST good at outsource some components and
shorten the production cycle.But it develop important items
like combat management sysytem on its own.
ST never say it is 100% Singapore Made or Most of the parts
Made In Singapore.PRC like to say this!!
Just get the job done.Nvm who make the parts.
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http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/listing.aspx?pdtypeid=1
Bionix Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier
Terrex 8x8 Armoured Fighting Vehicle
Primus 155mm 39 Calibre Self Propelled Howitzer
dddd
Medium Armored Vehicle (MAV)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mav.htm
-the winner is Stryker aka Canadian LAV III light-armored vehicle,
!!Bionix was the only tracked vehicle and the only foreign vehicles
in the 4 finalist,out of more than 50 platforms competitors!!
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mav.htm
The deal worths US$ 4 billions!!
bvbvv
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u will say what was the big deal being one of the 4 finalists in MAV?
I looks at it like World Cup or Olympics.
Besides China.N Korea ,Cuba ,Vietnam or all countries of former USSR,
all other profits seeking compaines will join the bid.
US $4 billions business.No joke.
We know ST is not the No.1.Even No.4 is not bad.
Bionix was ,in the eyes of Yankees,ahead of all other foreign vehicles !!
We are talking about UK,Germany,France,etc.
BTW,i dunt think Oz joined the game!!
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i just posted comparsions of two in opening postings.
I think the payload and the
Active Defense System AMAP-ADS and Multi-Purpose IED-Protection.
play a vital role to bid others.
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i repeat my old posting in UK to buy Bronco.
these news from Jane's and reponses are useful:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=160384#post160384
2. The last 2 paragraphs in the (Jane's.Pl read the above link)article reads like Jane's lobbying on behalf BAE Systems, especially since:
3. I say, shame on your quality of reporting - Mr Tim Ripley.(i) it is clear that the Viking has reached the limit of its capabilities (to add on armour) and that only ST Kinetics' Bronco ATTC fit the bill of the UK's Warthog requirements;
(ii) Jane's obscures the fact (in it's reporting) that what BAE Systems is offering to MoD is not what UK wants (even after the proposed upgrade). What BAE Systems is lobbying for is a change in the requirements on the Warthog contract;
(iii) Jane's focuses instead on the fact that the Viking is battle-proven and is easier on the current logistic support system - in fact, Jane's managed to subtly weave in the ideas that this is the Bronco's first export sale - neglecting to mention that the Bronco has been in service for 8 years;
(iv) Jane's also fails to mention the Bronco's advanced patented coupling that links the front and rear units (allowing each unit can be transported slung under a tactical helicopter). This unique feature allows the user to 'plug and play' so that different units can be attached as required by the mission - a feature not available in the Viking; and
(v) people like luv2surf telling us that "the Bronco simply a beefed up copy of the Viking", when the Bronco ATTC hull is made from welded steel armour with a German IBD passive armour package (and for good order, ST Kinetics has shown a Bronco ATTC with an AMAP-ADS active protection system).
4. I also say, shame on you - Mr ' luv2surf' - for flame bating and trying to say that a readily available military off-the-shelf (MOTS) solution is just a cheap imitation.
5. As I have pointed out in my earlier post, there are 600 Bronco ATTCs in service and ST Kinetics developed a number of versions of the Bronco. ST Kinetics is even working on a robotic version of the Bronco ATTC. In the interest of fairness, I've set out the article in the 3 Dec 2008 issue of Jane's below:mmmm
Jane's focuses instead on the fact that the Viking is battle-proven...
If it is battle proven,then UK MOD no need to get a replacement lah,
stupid!!Viking is tested but failed,not proven!!
NATIONAL PRIDE
Anyway,UK MOD put down national pride to ask SG to make
a vehicle to save more lifes of British service wo/men!!
I salute their courage.UK decision maker know the priority well.
The life of service wo/men is No.1.
So far,other western countries cant do this.
Besides,they(u know wat i mean) insist most of the military jobs
MUST be done on own soil.But they do not look at their track
records .So,u can read from recent history this kind of mind set
leads to big joke.If fact,the story is developing and u can read
from news.For example,....i dunt say lah...Too boring.
They insist,say 70% of JOBS TO BE DONE LOCALLY.
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Thales UK handle installation of the followings in UK
A protected gun mount, extra armour, specialist electronic counter-measure equipment and communications tools
.ST at least,leave some of the jobs to UK people.
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official reasons why Viking are replaced
search Viking +' House of Common Hansard'
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm081029/wmstext/81029m0001.htm
Viking has provided an excellent capability in Afghanistan, giving us unparalleled access to areas around the Helmand river. But, although we are providing
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some further enhancements to its protection, we have reached the limit of its ability to carry extra weight and protection. This is why we intend to replace Viking in Afghanistan with an alternative, better protected, high mobility vehicle, to be known as Warthog; work is underway to identify the right vehicle to fulfil this role. We will procure over 100 new vehicles with deliveries starting at the end of next year.EOQAll Viking In Afgan to be replaced
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm081008/text/81008w0006.htm
The percentage of Viking Fit for Purpose reflects 18 vehicles which are part of the Total Fleet but which are awaiting replacement. They are therefore In Service but not Fit for Purpose.
In Service ( percentage of fleet number) Fit for Purpose ( percentage of in service number) Viking
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It is good news indeed. A $330m order is not a small thing and the UK followed that up with a $77m order for 40mm ammo.
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great day for ST ~~
this will see whether our Bronco will worked in A'stan ~~~
if it worked out,more deals for ST as our equiment is battled-tested ~~
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Noisy Lion,
Please type, speak, think and dream in English.
I cannot comprehend what you are typing.
In case nobody told you, if you cannot type to let other comprehend what you are saying, you lose all credibility.
In any case, what you have post here is crap. Don't believe 100% what STK is saying.
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Originally posted by demag_ac:
Noisy Lion,
Please type, speak, think and dream in English.
I cannot comprehend what you are typing.
In case nobody told you, if you cannot type to let other comprehend what you are saying, you lose all credibility.
In any case, what you have post here is crap. Don't believe 100% what STK is saying.
You're wasting your effort. He is unable to comprehend what you're trying to say. He's still in his own little world. -
Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:
You're wasting your effort. He is unable to comprehend what you're trying to say. He's still in his own little world.+1
thats why i simply refuse to even engage him in a logical disucssion. its fruitless. a closed mind gains nothing.
@lionnoisy
i hereby make serious complaint to all MODs that sgty and his peers like
sg stars are disturbing the normal operations of the forums.
If MODs dunt take actions against them,i will do the same things in other forums.
Pl dunt discrminate me then.Funny once is enough.
Too much is nuisances.
the Irony of it is that you barely even realize you are describing your modius operani.
why ? cant handle the truth ? cant handle that the fact
i) you made a clone of yourself and post to support yourself ?
ii) you were caught out by sgty and couldnt explain it ?
iii) what disturbing normal operations ? this is normal operations, watching you self pwn and keeping up the pwnage ?
iv) still citing the same things i pwned ? want me to repost what i pwned previously ? and that u refuse to admit it ?
v) threatening the MODs with what "same other things"? wah, lionnoisy very bold leh, threaten MODS ? i am not discriminating against u, i m pwning you. I m not making any effort to be funny, you are the joke. I m just delivering the punchline.