Comparsions of Singapore Primus SPH & US FSC NLOS-Cannon

• lionnoisy

  11 Dec 08, 15:27

  Thesaurus of US armed force.

  http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/thesaurus.asp

• lionnoisy

  11 Dec 08, 15:38

  jj

   

  Originally posted by gd4u:

  Nope
  
  The web below states the M109 Combat loaded weight at 27.5tons. Only the A6 variant is 31.8 tons (28.849 mt) .
  http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/arty/M109.html
  
  I am sorry if i didn't state clearly. The M109 A1/2/3/4/5 series were all developed before 2003 , ie to say, before SPH Primus came out. (The M109A6 variant is developed in 2007)
  
  I am also sorry that u didn't bother to look clearly. The wiki photo i posted is the Royal Netherlands Army M109A2 variant ...
  
  Neither u have answered the MLC part that i have raised. Clearly, u have not understand the importance of MLC and MLC labels on military vehicle.
  
  Yet, u said that Primus is the lightest in the world. But no, that's wrong. M109 existed b4 Primus. Pls admit the fact. Or admit that u were wrong in stating Primus is lightest in the world.

   

  pl check official info,not Tom Dick and Harry info.

  My info come from US Army official site.Unless u have more reliable

  source,i think i will stick to it.

  Paladin

  Weight (combat loaded):   Approximately 63,615 lbs
  

  • Crew:   4 (accompanying M992 FAASV-5)
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  MLC or MCC?Ha ha.

  http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/thesaurus.asp?search=ATEF&area=

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  FYI,when Primus was unveiled in 2003,NLOS Cannon just fired the first round!!

  http://www.gordon.army.mil/pao/Signal/Issues/2005/2005_04/0429%20Signal%20online.pdf

  Maj. Desiree Wineland
  Army News Service
  YUMA PROVING
  GROUND, Ariz. – The
  Army’s newest self-propelled
  artillery system fired
  its 1,000th test round on
  April 14, capping months of
  testing that began at Yuma
  Proving Ground in 2003. 

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  I have to correct my opening post of 'Singapore locally design and built'.

  Design--yes.

  Built--not every bolt and nut made here.read below.

  assembly--yes.

  If u want run ahead than other guys,intergration is damn important.

  In fact,almost all the technologies are there.It much depend on

  how u modify,intergrate and assembly!!

   

  By April 2000, the first working prototype was rolled out, using a vehicle chassis adapted from the US Army's Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle and M109 self-propelled gun.
  
  After another three years of testing, the guns were unveiled by Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean yesterday.

  http://www.dsta.gov.sg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3098&Itemid=401

  

  
  

  vehicle chassis adapted from the US Army's Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle

  Bradley---

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  Have FH 2000 barrels  made in France?So,how about Primus?

  kkkk

  bbbb

• Shotgun

  11 Dec 08, 16:07

  Originally posted by lionnoisy:

  Is it really Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI)?

  I think few rounds reach the target at the same time

  or within few seconds then can be called as above.

  Pl forgive me if my military or language not so good.

  But,....

  http://www.bartleby.com/61/8/E0000800.html

  http://www.baesystemspresskit.com/nlos_cannon/development_timeline.cfm

   

  Does it mean it takes 12 seconds from 1 st to 4 th rounds hitting the targets?

   

  No.

  They did a 4-round MRSI, six times.

  And in each of the 4-round MRSI volleys, the 4 rounds landed within 4 seconds of each other.  

  The 6 times was probably done to get an average time delay between the first n fourth round.

• lionnoisy

  11 Dec 08, 16:25

  Originally posted by gd4u:

  Nope
  
  The web below states the M109 Combat loaded weight at 27.5tons. Only the A6 variant is 31.8 tons (28.849 mt) .
  http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/arty/M109.html
  
  I am sorry if i didn't state clearly. The M109 A1/2/3/4/5 series were all developed before 2003 , ie to say, before SPH Primus came out. (The M109A6 variant is developed in 2007)
  
  I am also sorry that u didn't bother to look clearly. The wiki photo i posted is the Royal Netherlands Army M109A2 variant ...
  
  Neither u have answered the MLC part that i have raised. Clearly, u have not understand the importance of MLC and MLC labels on military vehicle.
  
  Yet, u said that Primus is the lightest in the world. But no, that's wrong. M109 existed b4 Primus. Pls admit the fact. Or admit that u were wrong in stating Primus is lightest in the world.
  

  For weight,u have to bear in mind u have to compare like with like.

  One of the factor is rate of fire.

  Primus

  Rate of fire : 6 rounds/min (maximum rate)

  ......Burst rate:3 rounds per 20 sec

  ......substained rate:2 rounds per min for 30 mins

  and u compare one with much lower rate of fire and cannot sustain so long.

  M 109A6

  	4 round/min maximum, 1 round/min sustained

  i think it is comparing apple with orange.

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• gd4u

  11 Dec 08, 16:59

  I already fucking told u i am not comparing the A6 variant... Only, the M109 A6 varaint is known as the Paladin ...
  
  I am talking about the M109 A1/2/3/4/5 variants which are unnamed ....
  
  I am refuting your particular statement "SPH Primus is the lightest b4 it came out" . But the M109 A1/2/3/4/5 variants were lighter and were already there b4 Primus ...
  
  Pls , get to know what am I exactly stating abt.

• sgstars

  11 Dec 08, 17:28

  Originally posted by gd4u:

  I already fucking told u i am not comparing the A6 variant... Only, the M109 A6 varaint is known as the Paladin ...
  
  I am talking about the M109 A1/2/3/4/5 variants which are unnamed ....
  
  I am refuting your particular statement "SPH Primus is the lightest b4 it came out" . But the M109 A1/2/3/4/5 variants were lighter and were already there b4 Primus ...
  
  Pls , get to know what am I exactly stating abt.

  calm down dude. lionnoisy is just out to get your goat. or be an idiot. or be lionnoisy.

   

   

  @ lionnoisy

  its ok lionnoisy, no one takes your thread seriously, there no such thing as a silent endorsement policy. you expect MODs to endorse your crap ?

  its called, you post crap, expect crap responses. you reap what you sow. you talk trash, you get trash responses. when you are trash, i guess you gotta live with the rest of the rubbish i suppose.

  NLOS FCS and you want to compare it to the Primus ? might as well i compare the sopwith camel with the F86 sabre or with the Mig 17. or compare the spitfire with the F22.

  different generations apart. so should i compare your intelligence with a 3 year old kid at kindergarden ? of course i should, going by your M109 and Primus comparison, i should. i bet the 3 y.o kid will pwn your ass anyway.

  if you dont respect facts and figures and choose to continue with your bigotry, you will end up self-pwning again, as you always do.

  you are practically mentally challenged to stoop so low to get attention. why ? no one at defence talk bothers about you ? no one loves you ? escaped from IMH ?

  not that i really care.

  basically you are just saying this over and over again

  m109 :

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  i dont really know anything about what i m saying but i think putting a few links here and a few links there and dumping a wall of texts will make me some friends and make me appear learned. i must try to pretend to be intelligent by posting and ripping and stealing people's postings and i dont think for myself by copying and pasting other individual logic, so i try to camouflage it by inserting a wall of text here, wall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of text that no one actually bother to read and i go on to the next post

  i dont really know anything about what i m saying but i think putting a few links here and a few links there and dumping a wall of texts will make me some friends and make me appear learned. i must try to pretend to be intelligent by posting and ripping and stealing people's postings and i dont think for myself by copying and pasting other individual logic, so i try to camouflage it by inserting a wall of text here of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of textwall of text wall of text that no one actually bother to read and i go on to the next post

  and so on and so forth.

  its annoying

  irritating

  and stupid

   

  so when u have sentences that go

  like this

  and

  always demanding stupid things like

  I want YES / NO explainations, I DONT WANT TO HEAR IRRELEVANT STUFF

  MAYBE

  you
  
  Ought to

  consider THIS

  
  home truth : nobody likes lionnoisy, Nobody wants Lionnoisy to post here, Lionnoisy is not funny, Lionnoisy is not entertaining, Lionnoisy is a nuisance

  and realize that everybody finds

  Lionnoisy = irrelevant garbage

   

• Obersturmfuhrer

  11 Dec 08, 22:31

  Gentlemen, a few words of advice:

   

  Do NOT Feed the Trolls.

  Never argue with an Idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you senseless with their experience.

• CenturionMBT

  11 Dec 08, 23:31

  flame bait. Thread closed.