Wedgetails delayed
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The Australian reports that Lincoln Lab's assessment is that no fundamental problems. Flight training may begin later this year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25504381-31477,00.html
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wow..no joke...cancel this project???
Australian Ddefence Magazine: Wedgetail cancellation a possibility?
pl read my 15 June 10 pm posts....really no joke.
2. DMO's General Manager, Programs Warren King said in a hearing:
The extreme of that is that we recommend cancelling the program.
JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE Defence Subcommittee : 16/04/2009 : Department of Defence annual report 2007-08 [Joint Committee Hansard]Originally posted by TERMINATOR2000:WHY U WANT A WEDGETAIL OR A GULF STREAM ?
WHAT U NEED ARE CHEAP LONG RANGE ROBOTS WHO CAN THINK N FLY .BUYING A $40 NUT AND BOLT DUN MAKE U EFFECTIVE IN COMBAT OR RECON MISSIONS.
HEY LION NOISY!!U ARE NOT TRAINED IN ENGINEERING FROM LOOKS OF THINGS BUT RATHER U R JUST FIGURING OUT HIGH TECH THE HARD NEWBIE WAY!MAN...FROM WAY THING S ARE GOIN WITH U AROUND,,,ITS GOIN TO BE EXPENSIVE AND TIME WASTING AS WELL!
TIME IS SOMETHING U DUN HAVE.
Hi i refer to all your postings.
A JC student can tel u Wedgetail air drag is higher than the GS lah.
2.Oz is very brave to use the first of class configuration.Very brave,if not stupid.
Oz have to wait another 2 more years for its FOC,alreday running more than
3 years late.OMG?How should u deal a project 5 years late?
U should put the heads of the officers in charge on the top of radar!!
The consequences is currently,there is no AEW for Oz,neither air tankers!!
3.Oz just depend the big ocean and prayings as a barrier for invaders !!
Wedgetail radar system back on track
Patrick Walters, National security editor
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html
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http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/348655
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/737aewc/
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Dunt keh kiang!!
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I dunt know if Oz gavamna claim any damages fr few main contractors
for the dealy.If not,why?
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wow..no joke...cancel this project???
Australian Ddefence Magazine: Wedgetail cancellation a possibility?
Wedgetail cancellation a possibility?
Defence has for the first time publicly spoken of the possibility of cancelling the RAAF's Project Wedgetail.The possibility was revealed by the DMO's General Manager, Programs Warren King, at last week's hearing of the Senate Defence and Foreign Affairs committee.
He said: "If it has no future there is no point going forward with it.
"Bluntly speaking - is there a future or not for this technology?
"The extreme of that is to recommend to cancel the program."
The cancellation of the project, which is the linchpin of the country' s NCW military strategy, would lead to enormous problems for the country's defence planners.
A decision is expected in the June to September period.
Problems include persistent clutter in the radar and integration of the systems.
Testing of the system in the north of Australia at the moment is ‘encouraging', according to a source close to the program.
Details of the MIT Lincoln Lab report are also on the horizon.
Whether they will be released publicly for the punters remains to be seen.
Fingers crossed.
RAAF's Wedgetail future on the line
full text here.i like full and official records.
Official Committee Hansard
- www.aph.gov.au/Hansard/joint/commttee/J11876.pdf
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JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE Defence Subcommittee : 16/04/2009 : Department of Defence annual report 2007-08 [Joint Committee Hansard]
CHAIR —When did that happen?
Mr King —I think it was implemented in November or December last year. I will have to check the date. It was either very late last year or very early this year. Boeing reported to us that that has reinvigorated them because it has given them a path forward; it has given them a few to the horizon about how they can complete this program. There were a number of undertakings on both sides in that step aside. One of them is that Boeing bring the aircraft to Australia for what we are calling an operational utility demonstration.
One of the questions in our minds was that the aircraft was being tested in the United States, in United States environmental conditions and in United States climate condition. In order to understand its operational utility as opposed to the technical specification that you can measure, it is coming to Australia either later this month or early next month for a period of testing and for operational evaluations in an Air Force exercise. So it will be here for I think nearly two weeks. If you like I will get you the details.
The purpose of that is to get a sense of that operational utility of the Wedgetail system. We are also doing a number of other formal tests and trials. There is an ongoing and accelerated program in the United States and we have inducted other aircraft into that program. The intention of the deed was that in June we would take into consideration the Lincoln Laboratory reports, the operational utility demonstration, and the test trials program, the formal test and trials program in the United States to make a determination on the way forward for the project.
Bluntly speaking, is there a future? My concern is whether there is a future for this technology. The extreme of that is that we recommend cancelling the program. The other side of that program is that it has deficiencies. We understand those deficiencies but there is a path to move forward that will involve settlements and a number of other issues. There is a viable and competent capability that has a long-term future and that is of value to the Australian Defence Force.
My view of that is that even that program is challenged. People are reporting what you would call stability, that is, that the systems that are working together are failing; they are not working in a stable way for long periods. Normally, if you go back to things like the Collins experience, those things tend to correct with time. You keep reworking your software until you get that out. Normally it is a correctable situation. It seems to me that although we are all working towards this end of June date to make this decision, we may not have enough data at that point.
We are certainly encouraging Boeing, and I know that Boeing are working with their staff at Northrop Grumman to meet that date, but it seems to me that it may well be July, August or September before we have enough information to make that decision. That is my immediate response to you. I would be happy to take any more specific questions on it.
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Originally posted by weasel1962:
The Australian reports that Lincoln Lab's assessment is that no fundamental problems. Flight training may begin later this year.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25504381-31477,00.html
i'm afraid lion hasn't the brain power to understand what you have posted, he hasnt followed the time line of the Lincoln Lab's assessment and the recent australian field trials, instead he posts old material, there are several countries that want to order and have been waiting for boeing to "get it right" i'm sure this news will be good for them
even in amongst lions lunatic rant was a link with all the information need
Wedgetail radar system back on track
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html
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Originally posted by Jack412:
i'm afraid lion hasn't the brain power to understand what you have posted, he hasnt followed the time line of the Lincoln Lab's assessment and the recent australian field trials, instead he posts old material, there are several countries that want to order and have been waiting for boeing to "get it right" i'm sure this news will be good for them
even in amongst lions lunatic rant was a link with all the information need
Wedgetail radar system back on track
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25778616-31477,00.html
my fren,u just read the news and buy their story.Have u heard any officail say
the following for a project which alreday made in the half way,that is 2 or 3 planes under conversion and he say CANCELLING THE PROGRAMME.
pl read the my last post.
JOINT STANDING COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE Defence Subcommittee : 16/04/2009 : Department of Defence annual report 2007-08 [Joint Committee Hansard]Bluntly speaking, is there a future? My concern is whether there is a future for this technology. The extreme of that is that we recommend cancelling the program. The other side of that program is that it has deficiencies. We understand those deficiencies but there is a path to move forward that will involve settlements and a number of other issues. There is a viable and competent capability that has a long-term future and that is of value to the Australian Defence Force.
u can say he just says extreme.but it indicates there is a possibity.In oz,all projects are very flexible.Can do .Ok.CAN NOt do also ok.OK?Understand?This is just a repeat of Collins.I bet Wedgetails canNOT work properly.,,,,nnnn -
i have no reason to change my last post, you arent keeping up with the time line of events, in particularly recent Lincoln labs and the darwin testing as i have already told you
here is a " two months later than your link " senate committee JUNE 2009 and things have progressed even since then, it is very unlikely the project will be canned and is on track with a probable initial delivery in november this year for continued development of the software by boeing with australian overview
FOREIGN AFFAIRS, DEFENCE AND TRADE LEGISLATION COMMITTEE ESTIMATES JUNE 2009
http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s12062.pdf""The positive message that I would like you to get is that we have worked through with MIT Lincoln Labs. Mr King highlighted the fact that they identified that the basic stability and underpinnings of the radar are sound and provide a basis of our addressing the shortfalls that we expect in the short to medium term""
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you remind me of an old proverb
" who is more foolish, the fool or the person who tries to reason with him "
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Well if you see some of lionnoisy's brainwaves and big ideas you'll get a rough idea of what reality means to him. Basically he's a bad-news-filter when it comes to Australia, and a good-news-filter when it comes to Singapore.
Which is half bad if he wasn't so illogical about it, even if something happens the way he does not like it, he'll cling to his own point of view, stick his fingers into his ears, and sing "la la la I cannot hear you" for as long as he can. You can present all the evidence you want to him, but of course, one can bring a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.
So nowadays Idon't even bother to read his post, just carpet bomb them like the B1B Lancer dropping JADAMs on transformers in the movie.
Anyway here are some of his half-baked ideas:
- An air-defence umbrella of 50km radius is good enough for Singapore (in reality the air-defence umbrella of Singapore in reality, is a lot larger)
- Have using a ratio of 1 ship every 1 square kilometer of ocean to ensure security. Which is nonsense, given that he often uses this against Australia, this means he expects Australia to equip, fuel and maintain THOUSANDS of warships along it's coastline, a feat even the US Navy, or any Navy for the matter cannot maintain.
- Using the "mini cv", in other words, the new Landing Helicopter Dock, the Australians bought... to launch their F-18s.
- Using a 250,000 dollar FANTAIL UAV as an impromptu mission to "carsh" into targets... or as a delivery platform for ONE submunition.
- Equipping our troops with rollerblades to "save fuel" so that we don't have to trooplift them to their destinations.
- Holding the SAR-21 by the scope handle to run during combat fire and movement. He cooked this up as a point to keep harping on when he realized that the TAR-21 had a lot of advantages over the SAR-21... except it has no scope handle... in fact looking at his posts you'd think for lionnoisy the most important thing about any rifle is that it must have a scope handle so you can hold it like a shopping bag while "running for your life".
And there's far more...
By the way lionnoisy actually has NO military experience at all to speak of, besides simply messing around with the AR-15 who knows where. When asked about his military experience in NS, he has always been quiet... but unfortunately for him I found an old post, one of the first he made where he declares that he does not really know much about anything military in terms of practical experience.
Which is not surprising, given the way he writes about stuff generally indicates he has absolutely no practical experience whatsoever, as well as such a detachment from reality that he learns nothing from what he reads and his repeated pwning here.