lionnoisy

23 Nov 08, 13:11

Sources of reliable military info.

There are too many Looks Real on the net.

Can u pl share with us some reliable,preferably official info,

and better updated.Of course,free of charge lah!!

Pl add a brief decriptions of the site.

pl note the main index:

u can click each conferences and all the presentations will appear!!

1.http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/

Nationl Defence Technical Infomation Center

Conference Proceedings

2.Annual conference by US Joint Services and defense industry.

From small arms to UAV and many stuff.

Recommended annual:

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/2008Intl.html

International Infantry & Joint Services Small Arms Systems Symposium, Exhibition & Firing Demonstration

"Enhancing Small Arms Effectiveness in Current and Future Operations”

19 - 22 May 2008

previously called:

Joint Services Small Arms Systems Annual Symposium,
Exhibition and Firing Demonstration

search by year u want or try the format i list above but chz the year.

lionnoisy

23 Nov 08, 15:15

Info reliable but u have to think also

The sample conferences i have seen are full of slides.

Damn interesting.Of couse,u have to use your brain to think.

Dunt buy their info so easy.

They are top brass in armed force,defense procurement/research/manufacturing

etc.No one want to blacken their names by giving fake or wrong info.Right?

By making presentations in these US National conferences,

they put their heads on a chopping board.

I think the info are much reliable than those in the internet.

Do u think where are the sources of info in the internet?

Most ,if not all of them,come from

these conferences,

offical press release

offical annual reports,

magazines(open to public or internal).

blogs,

medias reports

Defence Department medias release or photos

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Info on the net can be used as a reference or stepping stones to verify

the info or cross references to see any mismatch.

For example,a system of under barrel Airbursting GL on rifle can

only work with ABS grenade.U need a FCS on the GL !!

If anyone tell u any such sys can work,U have to ask

-----model of ABS grenade,who is the contractor,

has it been approved by relevant gavamna authority.

for example,u can check US site

/www.dtic.mil

the status,budget,conferences presentations etc to verify

the stauts of ABS GL,its FCS and ABS grenades.

The whole sys cant work if any one item is missing!!

Becareful to distinguish if the info there is ti decribe the current

status of just the intended performances.

Always ask what is the status:

Under development

under productions with approved testing

in Services etc.

lionnoisy

23 Nov 08, 15:18

Here are many new doors to reliable military technical info.

Spread the words around.Ask your buddies think after read any info.

This X'mas holiday will not be the same like last years!!

Look for updates.

read this if u are very busy.

International Infantry & Joint Services Small Arms Systems Symposium, 19-22 May 2008, Dallas, TX

Joint Services Small Arms Systems Annual Symposium, Exhibition and Firing Demonstration, 7- 10 May 2007 – Virginia Beach, VA

u can see the developments of small arms and ABS grenades if u trace

few more years.

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/

2009

2008

2008 Maneuver Support S&T Conference and Exhibition, 28-30, July 2008, Fort Leonard Wood, MO

JPM Chemical Biological Individual and Collective Protection Industry Day, 22 July 2008, Baltimore, MD

Pacific Operational Science and Technology Conference, 14-17 July, 2008, Honolulu, HI

2008 Joint Chemical Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Conference & Exhibition, 24-26 June, 2008, Fort Leonard Wood, MO

Precision Strike Summer Forum, 10-11 June, 2008, Parsippany, NJ

2008 Homeland Security Science & Technology Stakeholders Conference, 2-5, June 08, Washington, DC

International Infantry & Joint Services Small Arms Systems Symposium, 19-22 May 2008, Dallas, TX

5th Annual National Small Business Conference, 19-21, May 2008, San Diego, CA

52nd Annual Fuze Conference, 13-15 May, 2008, Sparks, NV

2008 Marine Corps System Command/APBI, 13-14 May, 2008, Baltimore, MD

43^rd Annual Armament Systems: Guns and Missile Systems Conference and Exhibition, 21-24 April 2008, New Orleans, LA

Precision Strike Annual Programs Review, 15-16 April 2008, Springfield, VA

9^th Annual Science and Engineering Technology Conference DoD/Tech Exposition, 15-17 April, 2008, Charleston, SC

2008 Defense Industrial Base – Critical Infrastructure Protection Conference (DIB-CBIP), 7-9 April 2008, Miami, FL

24th Annual Logistics Conference and Exhibition, 10-13 March 2008, Miami, FL

Ground Robotics Capabilities Conference and Exhibition, 3-6 March 2008, San Antonio, TX

· 24^th Annual National Test & Evaluation Conference, 25-28, February 2008, Palm Springs, CA

· 2008 Biometric Advanced Planning Brief to Industry (APBI), 28 February 2008

· 2008 Munitions Executive Summit, 19-21 February 2008, Orlando, FL

· 2008 Tactical Wheeled Vehicles Conference, 3-5, February 2008, Monterey, CA

· Precision Strike Winter Roundtable, 23 January 2008, Arlington, VA

· 2008 Homeland Security S&T Stakeholders Conference-West, 14 -17 January 2008, Los Angeles, CA

2007

· 2007 USCG Innovation Expo, 29 October – 1 November 2007, New Orleans, LA

· Stability, Security, Transition and Reconstruction Operations Conference, 27 - 28 November 2007, Falls Church, VA

· 11^th Annual Small Business Conference, 7 – 8 November 2007, Tysons Corner, VA

· 7^th Annual CMMI Technology Conference and User Group, 12 – 15 November 2007, Denver, CO

· 45^th Annual Targets, UAVs & Range Operations Symposium & Exhibition, 29 – 31 October 2007, San Diego, CA

· Precision Strike Technology Symposium, 23 – 25, October 2007

· 2007 12^th Annual Expeditionary Warfare Conference, 22 – 25 October, 2007, Panama City, FL

· 2007 Combat Vehicles Conference, 22 – 24, October 2007, Dearborn, MI

· Joint Chem Bio Decon & Protection CPDIP Conference and Exhibition, 22 – 25, October 2007, Virginia Beach, VA

· 10^th Annual Systems Engineering Conference, 22 - 25 October 2007, San Diego, CA

· 2007 Insensitive Munitions and Energetic Material Technology Symposium, 15 - 18 October 2007, Miami, FL

· Disruptive Technologies Conference, 4-5 September, 2007, Washington, DC

· 2007 Land & Maritime Supply Chains Business Conference & Exhibition (DSCC), 27 - 29 August, 2007, Columbus, OH

· National SBIR Phase II Conference, 21 - 23 August 2007, Arlington, VA

· Precision Strike PEO Summer Forum “ Joint Perspectives on Precision Engagement”, 10 – 11 July 2007 – Virginia Beach, VA

· 2007 Heartland Security Conference and Exhibition “Technology for Defense and Homeland Security Readiness”, 9 – 10 July 2007 – Minneapolis, MN

· Joint CBRN Conference and Exhibition, 25 – 27 June 2007 – Fort Leonard Wood,

· NDIA Annual Armaments Technology Seminar and Exhibition, 11 – 13 June 2007 – Parsippany, NJ

· 51^st Annual Fuze Conference, 22 – 24 May 2007 – Nashville, TN

· National Small Business Conference, 15 – 17 May 2007 – Houston, TX

· 2007 Global Demilitarization Symposium & Exhibition, 14 - 17 May 2007 – Reno, NV

· Joint Services Small Arms Systems Annual Symposium, Exhibition and Firing Demonstration, 7- 10 May 2007 – Virginia Beach, VA

· 2007 Joint Service Power Expo, 24 – 26 April 2007 - San Diego, CA

8^th Annual Science & Engineering Tech Conference DoD/Tech Exposition, 17-19 April 2007 – North Charleston, SC
Precision Strike Annual Programs Review, 24-25 April 2007 – Springfield, VA
42nd Annual Armament Systems: Gun and Missile Systems Conference & Exhibition, 23-26 April 2007 – Charlotte, NC
Pacific Operational Science & Technology Conference Operational S&T Symposium and Exhibition, 2-5 April 2007 – Honolulu, HI

· Joint Program Executive Office for Chem-Bio Defense AP, 4-5 April 2007 – Washington, DC

23rd Annual National Logistics Conference & Exhibition, 19-22 March 2007 - Miami, FL
23rd Annual National Test & Evaluation Conference, 12-15 March 2007 - Hilton Head Island, SC
Net Centric Operations Conference, 5-8 March 2007 - Norfolk, VA
18th Annual NDIA SO/LIC Symposium and Exhibition, 26-28 February 2007 - Arlington, VA
2007 Munitions Executive Summit, 5-7 February 2007 - Arlington, VA
2007 Tactical Wheeled Vehicles Conference (TWV), 4-6 February 2007 - Monterey, CA
2007 National Security Space Policy and Architecture Symposium, 1-2 February 2007 - Washington, DC
Precision Strike 2007 Winter Roundtable, 1 February 2007 - Arlington, VA
2007 Chemical Biological Information Systems (CBIS) Conference and Exhibition, 8-11 January 2007 - Austin, Texas

sgstars

24 Nov 08, 00:29

some very obvious glaring mistakes here.

i shall do you some credit and point out only 2 major ones. i want to see you figure the rest out.

1) AGENDA : in case you havent realized . weapons procurement is not a simple thing like going to the supermarket and picking a loaf of bread off the shelf.

it can be. but it usually is not. especially in the States where you got a pluralistic community with different people supporting different platforms with various interests at stake at multiple levels ; public , private and vested.

e.g a Marine corps general can go on the record saying that the MV-22 is good, but he privately prefers more EFV to be procured and may have a vested interest in saying MV-22 is good because bell-boeing might give him a Job or position after his retirement.

DONT, let me repeat for emphasis, DONT talk about "reliability" and "credibility" if you havent got a fundamental grasp of this. its like asking a toddler who's moving his pedal powered car around to drive a hummer. absurd, ridiculous and complete nonsense

2) INFORMATION VS MISINFORMATION:

well, i m sure the US army, USMC, US navy USAF are all stupid enough to put all their information, especially mission critical information out on the web for lionnoisy and other forummers to appreciate.

Mindef will probably be affirming the existence of the tempest on the front page of straits times and announce exactly how much weapons we store at which ammo dump too.

wake up your idea lionnoisy. dont come here and talk bullcrap about information credibility.

no one with an ounce of brain will even consider putting sensitive stuff online. sometimes stuff gets leaked, yes i agree, sometimes its a big leak, sometimes its a small leak. but no one will ever put Critical Data avaliable on the web. period. rule of thumb, fact. thats why there's a simple thing called industry insider and industry outsider.

tactical doctrine, Mission Critical information is unlikely to be revealed online. imagine why so many insiders pay good money to Janes for information and analysis if they can get whatever they want from online PDF releases ?

and sadly, nicely put together pictures of UAV, a tank here and there, some grunts with lines to draw and connect them together mean absolutely nothing.

why would people be in need of job called defence analysts and generals paid to spend time to think and formulate doctrine if they are going to give it all free away on the internet ?

you want to post, fine, by all means. have some logical reason to post if not im going to tear your reasoning to shreds till the T-rex comes back.

Dic pauca, fac plura

plus please cut the number of links, i went through all and most arent even remotely related to 40mm ABS GL. and those that are, mention it superficially. like one-line or one-paragraph reference.

volume is NOT equal quality

sgstars

24 Nov 08, 10:18

answer the bloody qn lionnoisy. i know u are here in the morning. u posted on your thread.

eagle

24 Nov 08, 10:30

This thread should be locked.

Lionnoisy has his own thread to spam. What's the use of starting a new one?

sgstars

24 Nov 08, 10:42

he's itching to get pwned.

besides, MOD is busy with exams i think.

lionnoisy

24 Nov 08, 11:56

Originally posted by sgstars:

some very obvious glaring mistakes here.

i shall do you some credit and point out only 2 major ones. i want to see you figure the rest out.

1) AGENDA : in case you havent realized . weapons procurement is not a simple thing like going to the supermarket and picking a loaf of bread off the shelf.

it can be. but it usually is not. especially in the States where you got a pluralistic community with different people supporting different platforms with various interests at stake at multiple levels ; public , private and vested.

e.g a Marine corps general can go on the record saying that the MV-22 is good, but he privately prefers more EFV to be procured and may have a vested interest in saying MV-22 is good because bell-boeing might give him a Job or position after his retirement.

DONT, let me repeat for emphasis, DONT talk about "reliability" and "credibility" if you havent got a fundamental grasp of this. its like asking a toddler who's moving his pedal powered car around to drive a hummer. absurd, ridiculous and complete nonsense

2) INFORMATION VS MISINFORMATION:

well, i m sure the US army, USMC, US navy USAF are all stupid enough to put all their information, especially mission critical information out on the web for lionnoisy and other forummers to appreciate.

Mindef will probably be affirming the existence of the tempest on the front page of straits times and announce exactly how much weapons we store at which ammo dump too.

wake up your idea lionnoisy. dont come here and talk bullcrap about information credibility.

no one with an ounce of brain will even consider putting sensitive stuff online. sometimes stuff gets leaked, yes i agree, sometimes its a big leak, sometimes its a small leak. but no one will ever put Critical Data avaliable on the web. period. rule of thumb, fact. thats why there's a simple thing called industry insider and industry outsider.

tactical doctrine, Mission Critical information is unlikely to be revealed online. imagine why so many insiders pay good money to Janes for information and analysis if they can get whatever they want from online PDF releases ?

and sadly, nicely put together pictures of UAV, a tank here and there, some grunts with lines to draw and connect them together mean absolutely nothing.

why would people be in need of job called defence analysts and generals paid to spend time to think and formulate doctrine if they are going to give it all free away on the internet ?

you want to post, fine, by all means. have some logical reason to post if not im going to tear your reasoning to shreds till the T-rex comes back.

Dic pauca, fac plura

plus please cut the number of links, i went through all and most arent even remotely related to 40mm ABS GL. and those that are, mention it superficially. like one-line or one-paragraph reference.

volume is NOT equal quality

jmjn

1.u seem come forward to defend for USA procurement!!

Good.Every one in US will try to look for his own interest.

Procurement,as u say,is not so simple.

I think u mean just becos of my language then i dunt understand.

u may be right.

But look at the reality and outcome of this complicated system!!

The sys just cannot give the best to Yankees in front line,like small

arms!!Or may be the pride of yankees keep them from

using foreign products.

Mk 47 auto GL is not listed in US Army web site?WHy?Is it a top secret?

or is it operational?

FYI,Jane's INfantry Weapon classify this under the country

INTERNATIONAL,not under USA!!

Like FN 2000 ABS GL.Is it workable,now?

Secret info

I think i know i cant get on web.Thanks.

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now look at the outcome of the not so simple US procurement system.

They are using few decades old small arms and u guys

just jump out to defend why Yankees are still using it.

Take M 16 and M 4 as example.What are the major changes in the past

50 years?Dunt tell me the facial changes.

Tell me the changes in mechanism!The signts!The weight!The overll capabilty!

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Some technical papers here.

u can get papers in previous years.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/navy/microsites/npts/npts_2007_papers.html

llll

sgstars

24 Nov 08, 14:19

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

jmjn

1.u seem come forward to defend for USA procurement!!

Good.Every one in US will try to look for his own interest.

Procurement,as u say,is not so simple.

I think u mean just becos of my language then i dunt understand.

u may be right.

The sys just cannot give the best to Yankees in front line,like small

arms!!Or may be the pride of yankees keep them from

using foreign products.

Mk 47 auto GL is not listed in US Army web site?WHy?Is it a top secret?

or is it operational?

FYI,Jane's INfantry Weapon classify this under the country

INTERNATIONAL,not under USA!!

Like FN 2000 ABS GL.Is it workable,now?

But look at the reality and outcome of this complicated system!!

frankly aside from your first point i dont understand wth u are trying to say.

1) i am NOT defending US procurement system. i m trying to explain it to you how it works in a extremely simplified manner.

2) please type english and make your points. dont go

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i still dont get what are you trying to say for the 2nd point.

3) secret info ?

correction : i was wrong, you not only cannot differentiate between secret and open-access information.

YOU are trumpeting your open-access information as TRUTH AND FACTS AND "RELIABLE INFORMATION"

when u dont even understand why people are publishing this particular piece of information and a basic inkling of how the US procurement system works, how interests come into conflict and play.

in summary, your information is out of context. you are looking at it at the level of , heres a coke can in singapore. proof that coke reaches singapore, when you dont examine the bigger picture issues like, how globalization has introduced coke to singapore, who allows coke to be brought to singapore, is this cultural imperialism ? why do people like coke ? are they influenced by media/advertising ? why dont we have a local version/substitute of coke. etc, et nauseaum.

you are taking it at a one-dimensional level.

looking at your "outcome of NOT SO SIMPLE US procurement system". you conveneiently hide the truth. what about the Xm8 system ? XM29 ? USMC SAW repalcement weapon ? SOCOM weapon replacement ? the 0.5 HMG replacement ?

you blindly stick to your viewpoint that the US is stuck at a certain level of procurement and acquisition, when in all due truth, it has considered multiple weapons and platforms.

on one very , extremely simplistic level, i can agree with you that yes, they are stuck with old tech. but when u appreciate the context, the messy procurement system with lobby groups and the gear that they are using now, with SCAR being used for SOCOM, newer sniper rifles being fielded in Iraq/afghanistan, improved/better modular system for the M4.

it all dosent add up. yes, the US is stuck with old weapons platform. but how much of this is due to choice and how much is actually related to politics ? it may be an old weapon platform, but how much of it is new/redesigned/improved ?

if i go by your logic. few decade old small arms, does that mean that the USN is developing a railgun for the zumwalt class, so the USarmy and USMC should wait for the technology to develop and minaturise and use it for personal arms la ? dosent make sense.

old small arms dosent make a difference. in fact, sometimes, old is gold. there are a few reports of the M14 being recalled into service by the USMC early in the iraq war due to its larger calibre 7.62 and penetrating power.

why should i bother about the changes in individual weapons ? are you myopic in your thinking ? an individual weapon does not bother me. a weapons system and family is what i m looking at. for all the flaws of a m4 modular system. ild pick it over the stock SAR21 anyday. better scopes, lighter, more versatality.

and u made another big boo-boo.

cant u differentiate between the FN2000 ELGM and SCAR ELGM ? you talked about one, i pwned you about the SCAR ELGM in the other thread. how come never reply on that thread but want to raise the issue here ? itching to get pwned ?

now u are bringing back the FN2000 ELGM nonsese again ? think twice and think fast about using that example before i post all the pics of the FN2000 that SG TY posted here again.

fact : FN2000 ELGM and FCS is in service with mulitple nation

FACT : SCAR ELGM and FCS is derived from FN2000 and currently in stage 3 of OTOE (operational testing operator Evaluation) SOCOM review and has been selected under SOCOM's grenade launcher replacement program.

Gedanken

24 Nov 08, 14:25

Tell the truth and shame the fuckin' devil, pussy. You just channel your grandmother's spirit to get all the crap you post here, so don't give us this bollocks about "reliable sources" when you can't even bloomin' read or write.

lionnoisy

15 Dec 08, 20:26

This is a door to Jane's Info:

http://www.janes.com/articles/

select and wait

u can compare the subject with others sys

take one section as example

Jane's Armour and Artillery under Land Forces

Sections

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Shotgun

15 Dec 08, 22:45

Oh so Lionnoisy subscribes to JDW?

sgstars

15 Dec 08, 22:54

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Oh so Lionnoisy subscribes to JDW?

He dosent. he posts only the limited free information

btw, does NUS subscribe to that ? i think got access IIRC.

@lionnoisy :

special christmas edition 2

giving santa a pile full of shit isnt going to exactly put you on top of the nice list lionnoisy.

lionnoisy

24 Dec 08, 15:17

www.janes.com/articles...

save money.read partly accessible Jane's info.Not bad---free.

lot of info...

sgstars

25 Dec 08, 02:27

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

www.janes.com/articles...

save money.read partly accessible Jane's info.Not bad---free.

lot of info...

yea. and the free information absolutely lacks context. mentions the point, elaborates about the point and thats about it.

dosent explain why the point
dosent explain how the point
dosent explain who's pushing the point
dosent explain contemporary threat scenario
dosent explain financial/budgetary limitations
dosent explain motive of source
dosent examine possible counter arguments

in short, dosent work without caveats in terms of usefelness.

I.E citing from Jane's source are more a liablility as you are quoting out of context without knowing the full intent of the purpose of the article

so lionnoisy, applying your logic and reasoning here, I watched the trailer for Nicole Kidman's Australia and seen Frank Miller's The spirit.

does that mean i am qualified to write a film review about both films ? does that give me insider information about both films ? does that give me any additional data ? does that make me an authority on the subject matter?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

kindly grow a brain

+1 epic failure by lionnoisy.

lionnoisy

26 Dec 08, 09:30

Originally posted by sgstars:

yea. and the free information absolutely lacks context. mentions the point, elaborates about the point and thats about it.

dosent explain why the point
dosent explain how the point
dosent explain who's pushing the point
dosent explain contemporary threat scenario
dosent explain financial/budgetary limitations
dosent explain motive of source
dosent examine possible counter arguments

in short, dosent work without caveats in terms of usefelness.

I.E citing from Jane's source are more a liablility as you are quoting out of context without knowing the full intent of the purpose of the article

so lionnoisy, applying your logic and reasoning here, I watched the trailer for Nicole Kidman's Australia and seen Frank Miller's The spirit.

does that mean i am qualified to write a film review about both films ? does that give me insider information about both films ? does that give me any additional data ? does that make me an authority on the subject matter?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

kindly grow a brain

+1 epic failure by lionnoisy.

Janes is just the very base and u can also challenge Janes info.

Eg,u can see from Janes that Singapore FH 88 ,unveiled in 1988,

already gets flick rammer?the Future Combat System M 777

dunt get this old but important feature!!!!Why WHy Why?

I am not scared by the name FUTURE,like u are.

I just get the truths and present here.

@@@@@@@@@@

Just the Light weight cant help M 777 to escape from counter fire.

Mobility can help any gun from counter fire!!

sgstars

26 Dec 08, 15:52

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

Janes is just the very base and u can also challenge Janes info.

Eg,u can see from Janes that Singapore FH 88 ,unveiled in 1988,

already gets flick rammer?the Future Combat System M 777

dunt get this old but important feature!!!!Why WHy Why?

I am not scared by the name FUTURE,like u are.

I just get the truths and present here.

@@@@@@@@@@

Just the Light weight cant help M 777 to escape from counter fire.

Mobility can help any gun from counter fire!!

yawn...

i m not interested in debunking your nonsense about m777. this is debunking the content and complete lack of contextual information within the garbage you cite from Janes.

its about YOU. LIONNOISY the epic failure. YES. you. dont shy away. dont run away. answer my question. why you cite incomplete/ flawed or partial information?

why you choose to use an incomplete and a flawed base ? cannot explain and then try to shift the topic ? turn tail and run ?

so you build your logic on incomplete base ? you build your understanding and perception on unstable foundations ? so your entire train of thought and facts are something like this :

or this ?

or maybe :

Do i fear Future systems ? I dont bother about them because there is too little information out there to differentiate between marketing material and actual analysis.