M777 vs. Pegasus
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Read para 2 for one more confirmation--by oz papaer!!
Also ,M 777 is not heli portable!!
Hmmm...
Let's see:
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What about this lionnoisy:
On 9 March 1997, a 155mm artillery round exploded in the barrel of a FH-2000 gun howitzer during a live firing exercise conducted by the 23rd Battalion of Singapore Artillery at the artillery range of Waiouru Army Camp, near Waiouru in New Zealand. This resulted in the fatality of two full-time national servicemen of the battalion, Third Sergeant Ronnie Tan Han Chong and Lance Corporal Low Yin Tit. In addition, 12 other servicemen were injured in the incident, including a Staff Sergeant from New Zealand Army, who was acting as the New Zealand Defence Force liaison officer/observer to the visiting SAF battalion.
A Committee of Inquiry was opened on the 17 March by the MINDEF to investigate the circumstances leading to the incident, headed by Mr Tan Gee Paw the Permanent Secretary (Ministry of Environment, Singapore). Five other members of the Committee included Mr Andrew Renton-Green, a senior official from the Ministry of Defence (New Zealand), and representatives from the Ministry of Health (Singapore), Legal Services of MINDEF, and the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).
On 2 May 1997, the Committee submitted its findings and recommendations to MINDEF after a lengthy investigation which revealed that proper procedures had been adhered to by the artillery unit involved, and there was no human error made by any member of the said unit. Also, there was no breach of any SAF training safety regulations.
The conclusion of the Committee was that the most probable cause of this incident was a faulty fuze that was fitted to the 155 mm projectile which had been loaded into the gun howitzer that resulted in the premature detonation. Subsequently, Chartered Industries of Singapore (CIS, parent company of Chartered Ammunition Industries) conducted a X-ray check on the same batch of fuzes from where the faulty fuze was taken from and found that approximately 1.3% of these fuzes were faulty.
Further investigations also revealed that the batch of flawed fuzes was supplied by the Chartered Ammunition Industries (CAI) to MINDEF under a tender back in 1992, in which the CAI was tasked to supply fuzes manufactured according to internationally accepted military specifications. This required thorough inspections and other quality checks and control measures during and after the manufacturing process to ensure that the proper functionality of the fuzes. CAI, in turn, sub-contracted Island Ordnance Systems (IOS) in the United States, for the supply of these fuzes. And without informing CAI, IOS had obtained the flawed fuzes from Xian Dong Fang Machinery Factory in the province of Shaanxi, People's Republic of China (PRC).
It became apparent in October 1994 that CAI discovers that the fuzes were manufactured at the factory in the PRC rather than it should have been in the USA. However, CAI did not attempt to inform MINDEF of this discovery and MINDEF was not made aware that these fuzes were manufactured in the PRC until during the course of investigations by the Committee of Inquiry.
Prior to delivery to CAI, IOS had hastily issued a Certificate of Compliance and a Certificate of Conformance to confirm that the required military specifications had been met, even though it did not conduct those required test. In the sample test of the fuzes carried out by CAI later, no defective fuzes were found. Hence, based on these Certificates issued by IOS and sample test by CAI, MINDEF accepted the delivery of these fuzes.
As MINDEF was tasked with the responsibility for ensuring that all types of ammunition and fuzes utilised in the SAF were safe for use, it does so by conducting acceptance testing of ammunition and fuzes either by itself or by approved contractors. So in this case, MINDEF had engaged CAI to provide the SAF with the fuzes. Although CAI agreed to witness the process of acceptance tests for the fuzes, on behalf of MINDEF, it did not witness all the acceptance tests. Also, CAI did not made any attempts to verify if the ordnance factory in the PRC was really capable of manufacturing the fuzes according to the required international military specifications that MINDEF had specified to it.
You keep saying SG first in world and this and that...
But yet such a basic thing like having good fuzes in arty shells...
cannot check and confirm!
1.3% of fuses faulty and dangerous!
is this acceptable?
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haha ...
well and truly
for lionnoisy :
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. TS bo wei gong liao. Hahaha. Srsly, Think before u kena pwned.To TS: U everything kena pwned, not sian ah? Hahahahahah.
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If he sian, our dear SgTrex would have lost all meaning to life. =D
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Hahahaha. Bitter enemies. Life long rivals.
I wonder why he bother to explain or even correct TS nonsense.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
If he sian, our dear SgTrex would have lost all meaning to life. =D
hahahaha i always have to strike a balance between pwning him and discouraging him from nonsense and keeping him in here to provide entertainment. -
Pl correct me if i am wrong.To summarise:
U need a stick/rod to push a shell into barrel of M 777.
SAF dunt need.By auto machine!!
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M 777 loadings of shells.
I watch a no. of videos in youtube about M 777 loadings of shells.
Some videos show the men load shells direct into the chamber,
while some show the shells are loaded into a a loading tray
which will feed the shell into the chamber.
But i watch all need 2 men to push the shell into the barrel by a rod!!
I think it is good to put the shell on a loading tray instead of putting direct into
the chamber.The former come with lesser chance of hurting back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-I-QjeBBOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pptyAYsfM7U
Army News April 23 M777 artillery
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movement by brutal force?
Why thet need to shift M 777 by men ,not by machine?
THey shift the gun left or right,or put down the legs of the gun,
or pull down the barrel for travelling by men!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeEszYdZ6kU&feature=related
In this video,u can see the shift the gun by few men.
What if the ground are muddy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey9Gc4yOXpo
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Now we see how SG do.
Loading of shell
Does SAF need stick/rod to push the shell inside the barrel?No by flick rammer!!
Pegasus--most likely no need.Pl share with complete and correct info here asap.
I am waiting some one to correct me.Mind OSA!!
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/Weapons/slwh/multimedia/video.html#defencewatch
View Streaming Video:
56K | Broadbandat 3.20 min,u can see Pagasus loading.I cant see the stick/rod.
But if they need a stick in Pegasus,then it is a step backward.
They dunt need in F 2000!!By flick rammer!!
F 2000 loading----no stick is needed
u can see from following that there is a flick rammer to push the shell into the barrel.
below--top--shell at the bottom of loading tray,waiting to be flick rammered into the barrel.
..........middle----flick rammer started to work and shell just leave the bottom of tray.
..........botom----shell already loaded into the chamber and barrel!!
PS no stick is needed!!Just by flick rammer!!
This video is long and interesting!!
This is 21 st century army!!No Bull sxxx!!No empty words!!
Question:Where is flick rammer in M 777?
references:
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery-Upgrades/Curtiss-Wright-Antriebstechnik-Flick-Ramming-Drive-Switzerland.html
http://www.janes.com/articles/
to
Land Forces
Armour-and-Artillery-Upgrades
Automatic loaders and flick rammers
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How about traverse and other movements of SAF guns?
most ,if not all,by machines.
Pl watch here.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/Weapons/slwh/multimedia/video.html#commissioning
The energy is recycled for other uses.Pl listen carefully!!
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The breech mechanism is semi-automatic with the breech opening automatically during counter recoil. An electronically controlled and hydraulically powered flick rammer rams the projectile into the barrel chamber with high consistency.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/fh2000.htm
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know more about flick rammer:---all the procedures and components!!
This was cancelled by US Army.
So is there any flick rammer for US armed forces?BOQ
....The United Defense 105 mm automatic loader operations include load, unload, replenish, offload, misfire remove, misfire eject and empty case eject. The M8 105 mm automatic loader comprises five major components: magazine, transfer tray assembly, rammer/empty case tray assembly, power system interface and autoloader controller. Although its original application was the M8 AGS, United Defense has proposed that the system could also be used in specialist
Status
Type classified for the M8 AGS programme and ready for production. The modular design and adaptable software architecture enable this automatic loader to be retrofitted into other existing 105 mm weapon systems. By mid-2005, the M8 did not enter quantity production and the programme was cancelled by the US Army....EOQhttp://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery-Upgrades/United-Defense-105-mm-automatic-loader-United-States.html
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Are there any other flick rammers?
http://www.janes.com/articles/
to
Land Forces
Armour-and-Artillery-Upgrades
Automatic loaders and flick rammers
Jane's Armour and Artillery Upgrades
*Automatic loaders and flick rammers/Austria/Intertechnik 155 mm M109 improvements
*Automatic loaders and flick rammers/UK/Claverham automatic loaders
*Automatic loaders and flick rammers/Switzerland/Curtiss-Wright Antriebstechnik Flick Ramming Drive
*Automatic loaders and flick rammers/France/Nexter Systems automatic loader for Leclerc MBT
*AUTOMATIC LOADERS AND FLICK RAMMERS/United States/United Defense 105 mm automatic loader
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Nitrogen ??
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc
I think below can explain.BTW,FH 88 was a 1980's product,prototype beginning
from 1983!!
Quite a few components of FH 88 are still applied to new howitzers!!
For example,the APU and spades.
BOQ
Singapore Technologies Kinetics 155 mm FH-88 gun-howitzer (Singapore), Towed anti-tank guns, guns and howitzers
The hydropneumatic recoil mechanism is of the independent-type single-recoil system. The recoil mechanism, connected to the recoiling and static parts of the gun, consists of a recoil brake and a recuperator/counter-recoil mechanism. The governor rod in the recoil brake varies the orifice for hydraulic oil to flow throughout the recoiling stroke, absorbs and ensures minimum and uniform recoil on the carriage. The pressurised nitrogen gas in the recuperator/counter-recoil mechanism is to return the barrel after recoil and also holds the barrel in its fully run-out position at all elevations.There are two independent pneumatic equilibrators that balance the weight of the elevated mass throughout the full range of elevation. The equilibrator is made up of a cylinder, piston rod and a receiver...EOQ
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/Singapore-Technologies-Kinetics-155-mm-FH-88-gun-howitzer-Singapore.html
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M-777, the first round is hand rammed. Thereafter the next round is rammed using the recoil of the first round.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/4-1261.aspx
Whereas for Pegasus due to its availability of its APU, every round is hydrolic rammed.
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The same shit he's been continuously trying to get us to believe is that, Singapore makes the best weapons and the whole bloody world should buy SG stuff.
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+1
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sgstars, you sure u don't wanna be a new media major? Hahahaa!
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
sgstars, you sure u don't wanna be a new media major? Hahahaa!
eh ?
probably, its one of my ideal courses too but i dont like what NUS offers. might be taking a look if there are no American studies module being offered next sem
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Some bodies said Pegasus is a copy cat of M 777.
I dunt think so.Pegasus was commissioned in Oct 2005,the year M 777 A1
was still in factory!!
Currently, BAE Systems is
manufacturing 94 howitzers
under a low-rate initial production
contract, Shields said.http://www.gordon.army.mil/pao/Signal/Issues/2005/2005_05/0513%20Signal%20online.pdf p12.
Army to purchase new lightweight howitzers,by Martin Kane,Army News Service
PICATINNY ARSENAL,N.J. – A joint-service program
office at Picatinny Arsenal has
completed development and is
managing the purchase of 589
new lightweight 155mm howitzers
for the Army and Marine Corps.ref:
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/Weapons/slwh/home.html
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www.dtic.mil/
just search whatever u like and come back to me.
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Walls of Meaningless Data!!
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Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:
Walls of Meaningless Data!!
What can u offer.I Have been waiting for some time.
This is to prove ST is not a copy cat!!
A low-rate initial production (LRIP) contract for 94 systems was awarded in November 2002.
Operational testing with the USMC, during which nearly 12,000 artillery rounds were fired by four production systems, was completed in December 2004. A contract for full-rate production of 495 systems was awarded to BAE Systems in April 2005. In May 2005, the USMC began fielding the M777 with the 11th Marines unit at Twentynine Palms in California.
SG Pegasus was unveiled in Oct 2005.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/
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