US Congress' report on M4,a fading rifle?MY licensed to make
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but since he raised the issue,
will the m16 be eventually replaced ? XM8 looked pretty promising, or is it a matter of weapon procurement politics and who has the better funded lobby group in congress ?
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Eh Lionnoisy, you haven't answered why you said that Singapore was the first in creating what Air Burst Munitions for GL etc when it was not?
Can you formally state whats your point of bringing up US Congress report on the M4, Singapore's "BEST AND FIRST" rate armaments industry, and the Malaysians making licensed copy of M4s?
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Eh Lionnoisy, you haven't answered why you said that Singapore was the first in creating what Air Burst Munitions for GL etc when it was not?
Can you formally state whats your point of bringing up US Congress report on the M4, Singapore's "BEST AND FIRST" rate armaments industry, and the Malaysians making licensed copy of M4s?
well said
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Eh Lionnoisy, you haven't answered why you said that Singapore was the first in creating what Air Burst Munitions for GL etc when it was not?
Can you formally state whats your point of bringing up US Congress report on the M4, Singapore's "BEST AND FIRST" rate armaments industry, and the Malaysians making licensed copy of M4s?
Is FN 2000 capable for GL Air Burst Munitions?
Pl note we restrict to discussions to rifle to fire ABS grenade.
I welcome we open to discuss crew served weapon to fire the same.
so far,i cant find any officail info that FN rilfe
is capable to fire ABS grenade.can u guys tell me?
There are too many copy and paste info in the web.
1000000 web sites report the same thing dunt mean it is true!!
Can i have offical confirmation?
FN,so far i know,can only fire non--ABS Grenade.
In a recent FN whole page for rifles products in JDW,
FN did mot mention about ABS.
This advert just did not make sense if FN rifle
can fire ABS grenade.There are very few rifles can fire ABS
grenade.
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=176
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=265
Other rifle capable to fire ABS grenade
Again,where are official info.
Crew served weapon shall be equipped with ABS
before hand held weapon
One of the main problems of ABS is the size and weight
of the laser and fire control sys etc.This is preferably
to instal such sysytem in crew served weapons first,rather
than to fix it in hand held weapon first.
u have more room to allow the bulky size and heavy weight
in the crew served weapon.For example,
the weight of the whole ABS sys may be 30% of the original
crew served sys,but it may be over 50% to hand held weapon.
XM 29 has been discarded for this reason.I prefer
U test the ABS on crew served weapons,if successful,fine
tune and reduce the size and weight further abd fix it
on hand held weapon.
Singapore Engineering adopted this Walk before u Run approach.
ST made it!
My point is...
M4 replacement is sure a big news.Further,
I group all relevant news of M4 under this thread.I think some of
u interested to know MY is going to make M4.
Take a look of a report fr US Congress..
mmmmm
[PDF]
The Army's M-4 Carbine: Background and Issues for Congress
The Army’s M-4 Carbine: Background and
Issues for Congress
Andrew Feickert
Specialist in Military Ground Forces
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Divisionftp.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RS22888.pdf
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FN,so far i know,can only fire non--ABS Grenade.
In a recent FN whole page for rifles products in JDW,
FN did mot mention about ABS.
This advert just did not make sense if FN rifle
can fire ABS grenade.
Prepared to be PWNED
After obtaining a range measurement, the distance to the target is displayed on a liquid crystal screen and the elevation diode flashes red. Once a correct elevation has been achieved by tilting the rifle, the diode changes color to green indicating the weapon is ready to fire. A further three signaling diodes have been installed on the top of the FCS unit, enabling accurate firing from the hip. The fire control computer makes firing regular grenades accurately much easier, though it cannot launch smart grenades. There is an Israeli system that uses the M203 and a computerized sight to fire 40 mm air burst grenades.
PWNED!
In addition, the weapon system is completely modular. Integrated attachments can be replaced or added on the fly, ranging from air-bursting grenade launchers (with electro-optical sight) to a 12 gauge shotgun attachment (according to FN).
PWNED AGAIN
How now lionnoisy? Still dare to say FN2000 no ABM?
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There are very few rifles can fire ABS
grenade.
Don't make excuses lionnoisy, you said NO OTHER RIFLE could fire ABMs.
How come changing your tone now?
Let me help you remember this is what you said:
NO OTHER RIFLE COME WITH AirBursting,even for crew served
weapons!!
So how come your tone change from "NO OTHER RIFLE", to a much quieter, less caps "very few rifles"
You admitting you wrong ah?
Pls answer.
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Again,where are official info.
Official info already from FN that the FN2000 is capable of firing air bursting grenades. Even better then the SAR-21 it can swap out to shotgun attachments as well as other stuff.
Can the SAR-21 do that?
Even the TAR-21 can fire air bursting munitions.
Here is your official info:
ISRAELI IMI MPRS MODULAR AIR BURST 40MM GRENADE FOR THE TAR-21
At Eurosatory 2006 IMI is demonstrating the progress of its Multi-Purpose Rifle System (MPRS) with the new ORION customized sight, designed to provide a ready to use, improved lethality system, utilizing standard assault rifles, advanced 40mm air-burst grenades and standard 5.56mm ammunition. Since its first introduction in 2004 the system passed several important milestones. In the coming months it is scheduled to complete type classification for the Israel Defense Forces, supporting squad level weapon systems.
MPRS uses the new ORION customized fire control and sighting system providing navigation, target acquisition, ranging, ballistic computation, ammunition interface as well as day and night capability in a single, compact 600 gr system. The MPRS can be applied to most assault weapons such as Tavor, M4, SA80, INSAS, FAMAS or any other weapon using a standard Picatiny rail.
The IMI Air Burst Ammunition is configured as a rifle grenade, a 40mm grenade for M203/AG-36 and other grenade launchers, as well as in non-lethal and intelligence applications variants below.
Embedded in a C3 system based on IMI's Warrior Compact Targetor (WACT), MPRS facilitates advanced sensor to shooter capabilities for small task forces.
Airburst 40 mm ammunition
The MPRS enables warfighters to use IMI's new 40mm air-burst grenades, at high precision, facilitating an overhead, "around the corner" or "within a window" fire for effect. When associated with IMI's new time-fused, air-burst 40mm grenades, MPRS uses a built-in communications device to set the grenade's programmable fuze to explode the grenade at the required distance and height above the target or around a corner, to achieve the desired air-burst effect.
Reconnaissance Grenade (Over the Hill)
While the 40mm high explosive airburst grenade is primary ammunition for the MPRS, the system will also incorporate other munition types, including non lethal grenades and an expendable camera fitted to a reconnaissance grenade. The grenade is fired through a ballistic trajectory toward the target, transmitting images of the target through its descent. IMI is cooperating with Israel Aircraft Industries MLM division to develop a command and control system which will be based on MPRS elements and establish effective management and control of infantry units. The system will interface with the warfighter's fire control systems, day/night observation systems (such as binoculars and recce grenades) and personal role radios.
STK NOT FIRST IN WORLD
So where are official info? All over except that you just refuse to accept them.
LOL
PWNED
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Crew served weapon shall be equipped with ABS
before hand held weapon
One of the main problems of ABS is the size and weight
of the laser and fire control sys etc.This is preferably
to instal such blahblahblahblahblah erved weapons,if successful,fine
tune and reduce the size and weight further abd fix it
on hand held weapon.
Singapore Engineering adopted this Walk before u Run approach.
ST made it!
You type so many words for what?
All still wrong.
You talk so much about the difficulties of making ABMs, the bottom line is.
other countries have already done it
they done it before STK
they did it better then STK.
General Dynamics have even come up with an air bursting grenade launcher and have TESTED IT IN COMBAT
The MK 47 MOD 0 'Striker' 40mm Grenade Machine Gun
(GMG)/Advanced Lightweight Grenade Launcher (ALGL), manufactured by GDATP (General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products), is set to replace the aging MK19 grenade launchers in the U.S. Army's and USMC's arenals. The GDATP MK47 MOD 0 Striker 40mm GMG/ALGL is currently under development by NSWC (Naval Surface Warfare Center) Crane. The Striker 40mm GMG/ALGL utilizes a laser range finder, onboard ballistic computer, fire control, and time-fused air-burst 40mm ammo (40mm grenades) to significantly increase lethalityDescription: The Mk 47 Striker is an advanced, lightweight, crew-served 40mm grenade weapon system. It incorporates the latest sensing, targeting and computing technologies to achieve an outstanding performance level over legacy grenade weapon systems.
Its targeting system consists of a laser range finder, thermal night vision (AN/PWG-1) and a ballistic computer. The Striker40 fire control system is also known as the Lightweight Video System (LVS).So you keep taking about STK needing to learn this and learn that what does this mean?
Means STK is BEHIND TIME, and LOW in technology.
You are a genius you know? In trying so hard to prove that STK is not third-rate arms manufacturer you are actually making that impression harder with your incompetent handling of your points and self-pwnage.
Where's picture of SAF soldier using ABM in normal training?
Americans already deployed it in Iraq.
Aiyoh, why STK so slow?
Walk before run? Now can't even walk!
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How lionnoisy?
how?
Anything to say about all your mistakes?
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wow!! Still no official confirmation!!
I cant find ABS GL Striker in Army page.Why?
Do i need to remind u that many wrong info in the net.
See to believe.let me show u some official info.
Read ABS--Fire Control System!
www.nammo.com-
40mm x 51 PPHE, US MK285
Programmable Prefragmented High Explosive Air-Burst ammunition is especially made to defeat targets in defilade e.g. behind corners, on rooftops and in foxholes. A nose mounted fuze will make the fragments be distributed sidewards and rearwards.www.stengg.com----one of largest 40 mm Grenades manufactuers,
clients include UK MOD!
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/314943
www.nammo.com is mentioned in these slides.May be JV with ST Engineering.
STK Squad Support Weapon to be delivered 2009 Military Nuts
STK=Singapore Technologies Kinetics Ltd (ST Kinetics)
FMV=Swedish Armed Forces Materiel Command'
can u see the logo?
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/session3/arvidsson.pdf
this link still works as at today 2.29 pm.Try it.
new findings for old topics.
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/214535
Info based on
''The Swedish Squad Support Weapon Program
Presentation to
”NDIA 50thJoint Services Small Arms Symposium”
Las Vegas,May 11, 2004Per G. Arvidsson
Product Manager Small Arms Systems
Swedish Armed Forces Materiel Command''STK SSW has been ordered and will be delivered 2009-2010.
JV with Orelikon Contraves.read pp 26 34 39 etc
Confirmed by Swedish Armed Forces Material Command
Note the tungsten balls explodes in cone shape.Keep the shooter safe.
Very first in the world!! read notes below.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/cyberpioneer/backissues_jan05_01.htm
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=150
Watch the video.note the Cone effect.Industry Feasibility Study 2002-2003
Four manufactures:
Saab BoforsDynamics, Sweden
Nammo Raufoss, Norway
AlliantTech Systems, USA
STK, Singapore
Orders were placed with Nammo and STK.
Deliveries by June 2003.AlliantTech Systems, USA,also known as ATK in stock market.
''STK is the system integrator for the Tiger AGL and for this study.
Sub contractors are:Oerlikon Contraves, Switzerland''
''SSW project schedule
Development 2006-2008
Deliveries 2009-2010
Because we use standard 40mm components, the MV ammo and FCS will be COTS!''STK=http://www.stengg.com/aboutus/company_detail.aspx?cylid=0&cyid=5
Questions:
Did Swedish Armed Forces order STK SSW and quantity?
It dunt make sense thay STK make SSW for foreign armed force
before STK make for SAF.
What is MV ammo and COTS?FCS is fire control sys lah.
above -As appeared in Strait Times
as shown in AA 2004.
it seem no body read all the slides.
Maker of XM 29,ATK,has been dropped from this project.
pl read above.
Did ATK put forward XM 29 for this project?
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Walk before u run!!
40mm Air Bursting Munition System
in crew served weapons.
wat u should do is fix a ABS or FCS in crew served weapon.
If it works,reduce the weight and size and fix on hand held.
Not the other way round.u sure will hit the wall.
The latest Koean OICW is as big as XM 29.
40mm Air Bursting Munition System (ABMS) "Designed to fit on current automatic grenade launchers like the MK19 MOD 3, HK GMG, Singapore Technologies Kinetics' Lightweight Automatic Grenade Launcher (LWAGL) and CIS' 40 AGL, the 40mm ABMS is the new generation of 40mm munition systems that provide greater firepower in terms of higher lethality and improved accuracy. It is also effective against defilade targets." Related Products Related Companies @@@@@@@@@@@@@
one stop services.besides FCS,ammo are selling here.
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=277
40mm High Velocity Munition - High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) S411
- High Explosive Dual Purpose with Self-Destruct Fuze (HEDP-SD), S413
- High Explosive (HE), S412
- Target Practice Tracer (TPT), S415A
- Target Practice (TP), S416A
Related Products nnn
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wow!! Still no official confirmation!!
I cant find ABS GL Striker in Army page.Why?
Do i need to remind u that many wrong info in the net.
See to believe.let me show u some official info.
Read ABS--Fire Control System!
Wow lionnoisy,
so now you are saying you can choose to disbelief the media articles that do not agree with you and quote all you want on the ones that agree with you?
WOW
So you are saying this info released as an OFFICIAL PRESS STATEMENT by GENERAL DYNAMICS and press release by the ARMY:
IS FAKE?
One of the more recent additions to the U.S. Army's tactical weapons inventory is the Mk 47 Mod 0 Striker 40 mm weapon system.
Currently deployed with U.S. Army special operations elements (including the 1st, 5th, 7th and 10th Special Forces Groups) in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 40 mm system offers a number of significant improvements that could lead to its wider adoption within the U.S. Army.
OR YOU JUST DON'T DARE TO BELIEVE?
Soldier using MK-47 in combat zone
A U.S. Special Forces Soldier fires a MK-47 grenade launcher at a stationary target during a training exercise in Mosul, Iraq, Aug. 16, 2007. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)
Quote:
A U.S. Special Forces Soldier fires a MK-47 grenade launcher at a stationary target during a training exercise in Mosul, Iraq, Aug. 16, 2007. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)SPECIAL FORCES USING STRIKER IN Iraq, Mosul
You haven't answered on the FN2000 as well.
You said it no official info on if it was air bursting
But FN itself confirmed this
How?
FN,so far i know,can only fire non--ABS Grenade.
In a recent FN whole page for rifles products in JDW,
FN did mot mention about ABS.
This advert just did not make sense if FN rifle
can fire ABS grenade.
Prepared to be PWNED
After obtaining a range measurement, the distance to the target is displayed on a liquid crystal screen and the elevation diode flashes red. Once a correct elevation has been achieved by tilting the rifle, the diode changes color to green indicating the weapon is ready to fire. A further three signaling diodes have been installed on the top of the FCS unit, enabling accurate firing from the hip. The fire control computer makes firing regular grenades accurately much easier, though it cannot launch smart grenades. There is an Israeli system that uses the M203 and a computerized sight to fire 40 mm air burst grenades.
PWNED!
In addition, the weapon system is completely modular. Integrated attachments can be replaced or added on the fly, ranging from air-bursting grenade launchers (with electro-optical sight) to a 12 gauge shotgun attachment (according to FN).
PWNED AGAIN
How now lionnoisy? Still dare to say FN2000 no ABM?
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wow!! Still no official confirmation!!
I cant find ABS GL Striker in Army page.Why?
Why?
Because you choose to remain ignorant:
A U.S. Special Forces Soldier fires a MK-47 grenade launcher at a stationary target during a training exercise in Mosul, Iraq, Aug. 16, 2007. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)
A officially released photo by the US Navy of the MK-47 being used in Mosul, Iraq in 2007...
How lionnoisy, how?
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Future Weapons - Google 图书结果
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STK 40 mm in
STK 40mm grenade ammo (this Singaporean company probably makes a wider range of 40mm grenade ammo than any other, and supplies the British Army).
Below left is the STK SPARCS: a video recce camera fired from a 40mm LV grenade launcher
EUROSATORY 2008
© Anthony G Williams
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Eurosat08.htm
Above: a dummy of the 40mm Metal Storm grenade, based on STK grenades but caseless.
Below: three MS grenades clipped together in a barrel
,mmm
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http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Eurosatory%202006.htm
EUROSATORY 2006
STK 40mm LWAGL with airburst system
(lion note---low weight auto GL.wow.the FSC is smaller than other
so called Air bursting dual calibre FSC!!)
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more info here
Swedish Armed Force is looking for a SSW!!
http://www.t5c.biz/archive/index.php?t-5626.html
hh
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Hello lionnoisy, don't avoid the question:
you said no official confirmation:
then how come got official released picture by the US Navy?
wow!! Still no official confirmation!!
I cant find ABS GL Striker in Army page.Why?
Why?
Because you choose to remain ignorant:
A U.S. Special Forces Soldier fires a MK-47 grenade launcher at a stationary target during a training exercise in Mosul, Iraq, Aug. 16, 2007. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)
A officially released photo by the US Navy of the MK-47 being used in Mosul, Iraq in 2007...
How lionnoisy, how?
Also what about this press release by an associate of the US Army?
One of the more recent additions to the U.S. Army's tactical weapons inventory is the Mk 47 Mod 0 Striker 40 mm weapon system.
Currently deployed with U.S. Army special operations elements (including the 1st, 5th, 7th and 10th Special Forces Groups) in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 40 mm system offers a number of significant improvements that could lead to its wider adoption within the U.S. Army.
The Mk 47 Mod 0 weapon system, also called Striker 40 by manufacturer General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products consists of the Mk 47 Mod 0 machine gun, Mk 107 Mod 0 mount, Mk 108 Mod 0 tripod and AN/PWG-1 lightweight video sight.
The Striker 40 mm grenade machine gun offers warfighters a number of significant advantages over the earlier Mk 19 Mod 3 series 40 mm grenade machine gun now in service.
One of the first significant advantages in Striker involves system weight and size. The Mk 47 receiver, for example, weighs 39.6 pounds, in contrast to the Mk 19 receiver weight of 77 pounds. With full up fire control and tripod, the Striker weighs approximately 90 pounds, versus nearly 150 pounds for the full up Mk 19 configuration with just iron sights.
Along with weight, the Mk 47 also provides size advantages in terms of length (37 inches versus 43.1 inches), width (10 inches versus 13.4 inches), and height (8.1 inches versus 8.2 inches).
The system's Mk 107 Mod O lightweight mount also allows warfighters to make fine adjustments integral to the mount, as opposed to the traverse and elevation adjustments on the Mk 19. A brake on the mount also allows users to lock the weapon on target, when desired. The machine gun itself operates much like an M2 .50-caliber machine gun, with a recoil-operated design that fires from the closed-bolt position, as opposed to the blow-back operated Mk 19 that fires from an open-bolt. The closed-bolt Striker design is credited with some advantages in accuracy.
Industry briefings emphasize that one of Striker's most significant tactical advantages comes as the first fielded grenade machine gun with integrated day/night capable fire control. The video-based AN/PWG-1 day/video sight incorporates third generation image intensification and a laser rangefinder, and a ballistic computer provides the user with a full ballistic solution for enhanced first round hit capabilities. A standard BA5590 battery provides up to 32 hours of operational life.
Four buttons on the rear of the fire control system include brake release, laser rangefinder, reset and four-way toggle to maneuver through menus.
Tactical engagements begin with the operator looking into the mounted 3 X video monitor and placing a donut icon onto the intended target. He then hits the laser rangefinder button to determine the range.
Pushing in the brake release then releases the gun from the sight, allowing the gunner to place the corrected aim point (crosshair icon) on the target for firing and first round hit.
The integrated menu allows for a variety of tactical actions ranging from adjustments for windage to development of an electronic range card.
In addition, an integral Picatinny rail on the top of the lightweight video sight module allows for the installation of additional observation devices like the AN/PAS-13 thermal weapon sight (heavy).
Through the use of an interface cable, the thermal weapon sight option allows the operator to select either image intensified or thermal images to be viewed through the video display, with icons remaining the same for either selection, allowing the warfighter to use the thermal sight for long-range detection and then switch to the image intensified sight for identification.
Striker introduces no additional logistics challenges since the weapon system is capable of firing every 40 mm round that the Mk 19 is capable of firing. Moreover, with a slightly slower rate of fire (225 to 300 rounds per minute for the Mk 47 Mod 0 versus 325 to 375 rpm for Mk 19 Mod 3), the Striker design virtually eliminates the possibility of cook-offs. Interest in the system goes beyond the special operations community to the broader Army and allied militaries.
"What this weapon means for the soldier is more rounds on target, faster," observed John Suttle, spokesman for General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products. He added, "The Mk 47 Striker 40 is the first major advancement in crew-served weapon systems since the end of World War II, giving our forces a decisive technological advantage over adversaries equipped with older crewserved weapons."
© 2005 Association of the United States Army Provided by ProQuest LLC. All Rights Reserved.
All faked news?
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You better reply lionnoisy...
How come you said no official confirmation of the Striker being deployed in combat where there are multiple sources confirming this?
Better answer
if not a smart bomb going to drop on you in here leh...
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Maker of XM 29 is out!!
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/session3/arvidsson.pdf
page 26
Swedish Armed Force have made the order and will select
one .
Industry Feasibility Study 2002-2003
Four manufactures:
Saab BoforsDynamics, Sweden
Nammo Raufoss, Norway
AlliantTech Systems, USA
STK, Singapore
Orders were placed with Nammo and STK.
Deliveries by June 2003.Weapon:Semi automatic
Three shot tube magazine
Weight: 6.2 kg (4+20))(lion note 4 grenades + 20 rifle rounds)
Length: 704 mm
FCS
Ammunition
bbb
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You see Lionnoisy, by your same argument that "just because other companies and websites have said they had ABS doesn't mean they really have", we can say the same of STK.
Naturally, we know that STK has a working ABS model, and we have no reason to doubt that other companies such as FN who has been in this business longer than we have, to not have a working ABS.
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Hi SG Ty
re your posting within last few hours on Yankees ABS AGL
and FN 2000 ABS.
can u also quote sources so that i know it is official.Thanks.
U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)---did it mention abt ABS?
Pl bear with me..
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ST already rolled out
Light Weight Automatic Grenade Launcher for few years.
Yanknees just look for supplier in 2003.
http://www.cbd-net.com/index.php/search/show/505685
Advanced Lightweight Grenade Launcher System
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where is FCS?--photo by Sg Ty
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=184&backPID=182&productID=2&pid_product=232&pidList=182&categorySelector=1&detail=
where is FCS?It seems it is just a ad hoc GL!!
Where is Fire Control Sys?Dunt me me they can make it to so small
we cant find!!
The integration of the grenade launcher onto the F2000 has been developed as to retain outstanding ergonomics, balance and smooth contour of the rifle.
The user can pull either the rifle or the grenade launcher trigger easily without changing hand position. This ensures easy manipulation, quick aiming and accurate shooting.mmmm
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where is FCS?It seems it is just a ad hoc GL!!
Where is Fire Control Sys?Dunt me me they can make it to so small
we cant find!!
Yawn...
you just made a big mistake in your post
I give you some chance to correct your mistake before I pwn you again.
You still want to stick with this like your "M777 is not heliportable" line of argument?
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U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Zachary Hernandez) (Released)---did it mention abt ABS?
You made another mistake here.
Do you want me to point it out or do you want to correct it?
ST already rolled out
Light Weight Automatic Grenade Launcher for few years.
"Roll out" is not the same as "deploy"
Do you see our ULAGL being being deployed in the field with any troops at all?
Nope.
Same as the SAR-21 GL nonsense, it was supposed to have "rolled out" almost 10 years ago but to date it has barely even been seen anywhere in the SAF.
On the other hand, the Striker has already seen combat use.
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Hmmm... is this an FCS made my STK?
Nope.
Wonder where it comes from...
How lionnoisy... still don't want to correct your mistake?
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Let's see what the Israelis are up to shall we lionnoisy?
ITL's Infantry Combat Suits Ready for Operation
MPRS Gears for IDF Service
The Multi-Purpose Rifle System (MPRS) weapon system, developed by IMI is expected to complete type classification by the IDF, prior for its service entry. MPRS will become a squad level weapon system, replacing M-203 40 mm grenades in some units. IMI is offering the system with the new ORION customized sight, designed to provide a ready to use, improved lethality system combining a standard assault rifle, such as Tavor, M4, SA80, INSAS, FAMAS or any other weapon using a standard Picatiny rail. The system utilizes advanced 40mm air-burst grenades and standard 5.56mm ammunition. MPRS uses the new ORION customized fire control and sighting system providing navigation, target acquisition, ranging, ballistic computation, ammunition interface as well as day and night capability in a single, compact 600 gr. system.
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Where is Fire Control Sys?Dunt me me they can make it to so small
we cant find!!
You can't find because you don't want to look.
And even if you see it you'll try to say it's too big.
But unfortunately for you, they have already made a FCS for air bursting munitions SMALLER and BETTER then STK
And even better it is just a 600 gram module that can be used on any rifle that accepts a P-Rail, as opposed to the unmodular SSW concept:
The MPRS equipped Tavor ABM GL will be lighter then a SAR-21 GL!
Is this too big for you?
Oh wait, those soldiers training with it don't seem to think so:
I.D.F Urban Warfare Battalion - Yata
Based on the successful performance of Givati in Yemei Teshuva, the IDF land forces command further improved the concept by creating a more flexible, tactical LIC (Hebrew acronym YATA) oriented operational unit at the battalion level. A major test demonstrated the capabilities of the new formation in March 2005. Designed as a "Swiss Army Knife", Yata will continue to receive more versatile and advanced weapon systems and technologies, with the capability to "plug in" other elements and capabilities ranging from specially trained dogs to tanks and helicopters, similar to Special Operations teams.
"Although the Yata is a battalion-sized combat formation it will be equipped with C4ISR assets comparable to what is currently available at brigade and division levels, providing it with greater freedom of operation and autonomy" explains Col. Giora Segal, Director of the IDF Combat Studies Institute. "Sensors and warfighters will be the principal effectors employed by Yata formations. Network enabled dismounted warfighters, AFVs, and precision engagement systems, including snipers and helicopters, will be tasked with missions against time critical targets in complex engagements. Such elements will be controlled by forward command elements, where real-time intelligence, live video feeds and a constantly updated situational picture enable and empower authorized commanders to take decisive actions in real time. Lacking such a sophisticated situational view, such decisions were previously taken at the highest command level, a time consuming process that often extended beyond the life span of the target therefore missing many tactical opportunities."
Among the basic elements already tested with the new unit are infantry combat suites, comprising the Tavor assault rifle, with an integrated sight camera, wearable computer and Global Positioning System (GPS) equipment and rugged Personal Digital Assistants (PDA), which allow sharing images, messaging, automatic reporting and augment warfighter situational awareness. Operations in urban terrain and inside buildings also require new wireless networking facilities, which have also been demonstrated. YATA units have already tested the new Skylark mini UAVs recently procured by the IDF from Elbit Systems.