S'pore wants to buy 100 of world's most advanced fighters
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F35 can have many versions in future. F35-S(Strike), F35-F(Fighter), F-35-R(Recon)............ Who knows what holds in future.
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It was mentioned before by an ex RSAF chief that in the future, most likely RSAF will just operate 2 types of aircraft. If so I'm guessing its F-35 for multirole and F-15SG for strike.
Personally I think 3 is a better option then you can have the F-16C/D for interceptor role. C/D may not be the newest model but it still has a lot of bite.
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Originally posted by Bionic Animals:
F35 can have many versions in future. F35-S(Strike), F35-F(Fighter), F-35-R(Recon)............ Who knows what holds in future.
Unlikely. The F-35 is supposed to be those multi-role, plug and play kinda fighter already. Its already a fighter capable of all the roles you mentioned above.
The F-16s will not be able to operate more than another 15 years or so. The newer jets offer so much performance increase, but their wear n tear is also higher. I've heard of how snr technicians curse and swear when ACMI shows their pilots hitting 9.5gs on the F-16.
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F-35s as the multi-role mainstay of the future RSAF air fleet. The Eagles and Vipers can be pushed back to specialised roles as bomb trucks and Wild Weasels..
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I hope I can see the F35s in our skies during my lifetime.
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But will US sell us the normal version of F35 which they themselve are using or the nerf version of the F35?
U know USA always sell low tier or nerf weapon to other country and keep the higher tier or the un-nerf for themselves only
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I think nerfed or not, the F-35 would still be a tough opponent for the Flankers. Thats good enough for me.
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The F-35A itself is designed 2 be a fighter/strike & recon aircaft aircraft, as it is said it is designed 2 be muti-role
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I was also wondering if the # 100 or so aircraft replacement could also come from filling up A4 replacement. I didn't think that F-15SG was a 1 to 1 replacement for A4.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
I was also wondering if the # 100 or so aircraft replacement could also come from filling up A4 replacement. I didn't think that F-15SG was a 1 to 1 replacement for A4.
100+ - a good question is how many f-35A & f-35B ?
since isreal is getting a mixed of them , that could change a lot on how our airforce operate if we take up some f-35B also. -
I expect not more then a single sqn
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Urgh. Military nutcases.
There is no F-35S, F or R. The designations are A, B and C. F-35 is a multirole aircraft anyway, so the designations you gave have no meaning since it is capable of all that. The F-35Bs and Cs are designed as naval-based aircraft, so it is almost certain that Singapore will only be buying F-35As if at all, because we do not have aircraft carriers, or the organisational framework to operate naval-based air assets, or even the plans to do so.
Please remember, that when militaries (or any organisation, for that matter) quote an upper limit on the purchase of equipment, it is just an upper limit. They have no obligation to buy exactly that number of units, so don't be expecting 100+ F-35As around in Singapore. Besides, there will invariably be detachments based overseas for training and reserve.
Only a single squadron? Highly unlikely. The fact that they are open to obtaining up to 100 units notwithstanding, it is always far easier to standardise the airforce and use as few aircraft types effectively in order to exploit the economies of scale in training and maintenance. It will be far cheaper and simpler for the military to replace parts and carry out standard maintenance procedures, and they won't have to fumble around with too many different pilot programs for all the different aircraft. In any case, we cannot expect SAF to be shrinking anytime soon - if anything, they look set to expand in the future.
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I am not sure if F35 pilots want to get into a dogfight scenario in the first place although if forced to they will probably be a formidable opponent. With stealth, datalink and AESA features, the F35 will most likely defeat most opponents BVR.
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It is official.We will continue use the F5S for quite some time.
It is old air frame but new equipments,equivalent to F16's.
I dunt know the full text of the US Air Force Major-General Charles Davis.
Anyone want to hard sell anything to SG looks stupid.
U have to see machine,maintenance and men as a package
for any platforms.
What is the cost to acquire and maintain/overhaul in the life cycles?
The rule of thumb is 2 to 3 times of initial purchase cost to maintain
in the life cycle.So,$$ is a big problems.U have to spend
it wisely.Is there any better options?
First ,SG has yet to receive F15.U can see from history that SG
will use any major platform for 25 to 30 years before it is retired.
2nd,100 seems too many for SG.
It may get some technology from F35,but not to buy any too soon.
Teo Chee Hean said in interview for SAF Day 2008 to zaobao:
1.F5S will not be decommissioned in the near future.
2.MINDEF will see it F35 can replace F5S,after F35 fully developed.
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Why government buy so many F-35? 100 altogether. Is government foreseeing a world war to happen soon?
Singapore number of fighter jet used to be about 100, which is 40 F-5, 60 F-16.
Now we have another 12 F-15, which can last for at least another 20 years.
Don't tell me want to stir up an arm race in the region to bring down the neighbouring countries economy. Honestly this money ($6.8 billion) can be of better use for the welfare of the people and contribute to our bonus and increment. -
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
I think nerfed or not, the F-35 would still be a tough opponent for the Flankers. Thats good enough for me.
My only qualm about the F-35 is that there's no two seater version, which presents some problems. Not least that the fighter has a smaller bomb bay than the F-22 and carrying munitions on the wing span simply defeats the point of a stealth plane.
I just read a Jane's article that the US Navy and Boeing are talking about a fighter to replace the F/A-18. I can imagine the Navy's not entirely happy about a single engine and single cockpit fighter.
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Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:
...I just read a Jane's article that the US Navy and Boeing are talking about a fighter to replace the F/A-18. I can imagine the Navy's not entirely happy about a single engine and single cockpit fighter.
Now, I'm not sure whether the above news is related about to the USN's 'unhappiness' over the single-engine Lightning II.
But come to think of it, the single-engine Lightning goes against what the USN's philosophy about 'only 2-engine is preferred', as given the usual area of operations of USN jets over ocean, a 2-engine fighter is preferred as there is scope of recovery (or what they called it 'redundancy') in the event of an engine failure.
But then, a twin-engined Lightning will definitely emit a terrible IR signature thereby defeating its stealth qualities espoused by the fighter.
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The A-7, F-8 and A-4 are Navy single engined a/c...
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I mean a single sqn of B-models
I am not without common sense
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I am thinking is Singapore going to have an aircraft carrier to equip these F-35 fighters and send it to patrol at malacca strait.
One of the singapore's weakest link is at the malacca strait, deploying a carrier there is indeed useful to prevent potential blockage from navy, pirates and "fake pirates".Just my guessing, lol.
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Originally posted by Black Aces:
Now, I'm not sure whether the above news is related about to the USN's 'unhappiness' over the single-engine Lightning II.
But come to think of it, the single-engine Lightning goes against what the USN's philosophy about 'only 2-engine is preferred', as given the usual area of operations of USN jets over ocean, a 2-engine fighter is preferred as there is scope of recovery (or what they called it 'redundancy') in the event of an engine failure.
But then, a twin-engined Lightning will definitely emit a terrible IR signature thereby defeating its stealth qualities espoused by the fighter.
What? The F-22 is two engined. What are you talking about? As it is, barring the F-35, a good majority of USN planes are 2 engined since the start of the jet age for fighter aircraft. In fact, the F-22 is a much better plane, and less than double the price of the F-35. The US Air Force is better off buying the F-22 than the F-35.
In any case, the USN ordered only a few hundred aircraft, about 300 over I hear and split between the USN and the USMC. That's barely enough to replace all the F/A-18E/Fs. It's likely given the relatively new nature of the F/A-18E/F that the USN will do any significant replacement of the aircraft.
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Originally posted by justdoit77:
I am thinking is Singapore going to have an aircraft carrier to equip these F-35 fighters and send it to patrol at malacca strait.
One of the singapore's weakest link is at the malacca strait, deploying a carrier there is indeed useful to prevent potential blockage from navy, pirates and "fake pirates".Just my guessing, lol.
Too expensive, and we don't even have a destroyer in our navy.
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Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:
Too expensive, and we don't even have a destroyer in our navy.
A new aircraft carrier CVN-21 cost abt 3.2 billion, so a 2nd hand one yet even a scale down version cost let's say 1.5 billion.
A destroyer cost 0.5 billion.
Then we just reduce number of F-35 from 6.8 billion dollars to 4.8 billion dollars.
Still got 70 F-35, still a very huge number.
This is a strategy you see, since now the neighbouring countries don't complain about singapore decision to spend 6.8 billions in advanced weapons, in future singapore can just maintain the same cost but convert 30 of F-35 to carrier and destroyer. -
Originally posted by justdoit77:
I am thinking is Singapore going to have an aircraft carrier to equip these F-35 fighters and send it to patrol at malacca strait.
One of the singapore's weakest link is at the malacca strait, deploying a carrier there is indeed useful to prevent potential blockage from navy, pirates and "fake pirates".Just my guessing, lol.
Have u any idea wha you're saying?? Singapore buying an aircraft carrier?? Dude, its not only about the cost. Singapore for sure has enough cash to buy an a/c carrier, but ask yourself why it doesnt have one as of yet. Simple, WE DO NOT NEED ONE!
An a/c carrier is kind of a power projection symbol, or whatever you call it. The US has quite a few cos it needs to extend its power reach over the entire world. Singapore does not need it cos there simply is no use for it. And trust me, if we EVER do buy one, Msia isnt just going to sit back and watch us sail it over their waters. This might spark off an arms race, and I assure you relations btw the 2 will be strained to breaking pt.
I feel that your way of thinking is quite naive, in that all it takes for a country to have an a/c carrier is just for it to have cash. Its not like this. 1st and foremost, the country would need to have the manpower. If I'm not wrong, an a/c carrier needs to have 5000 men to run it, and our navy only has about 5000 regulars or somwhere around there. If we pool almost all our resources into one ship, wat abt the rest of the navy? Just sit there collect dust??? Also, the logistics needed to run this huge ship, and also to open up an entirely new naval fighter wing will be tremendous. Would we do it just for the sake of having a carrier? I dont think so.
The RSN alr has a few ships which are able to carry helis like the Super Puma and soon to come, the S-70 Seahawk. I think that this is alr good enough for a country like us for now.