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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
No offence but I just hate ppl like u which u always think that S'pore is very safe... Don't be too complacent ppl... Just like the US back then... See what happen to the US navy at pearl harbour?? And I'm sure that there's still active battleships in the world... But no one till now has constructed a battleship with at least displacement of 10,000 tonnes...
You underestimate our navy.
No doubt I kpkb about how we always seem to lack things, how things always spoil, but I believe in my heart we have what it takes to kick the balls off whoever threatens us.
If kicking balls off fail to stop the attack, at least we castrated that fella.
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its true that if you put a battleship right next to the most advanced warship today, the battleship will blow it away, however, there is the issue of getting your battleship there... with regards to that, battleships are not really at home in today's naval environment, with the advent of more lethal and longer ranged weapons.
if you ask me, what i would prefer would be a navy based on larger ships (etc destroyers and lpds) supported by a base of smaller, "mosquito" vessels. having the ability to sting hard and disrupt the enemy. in my view, this can't be acheived by aircraft carriers or battleships for singapore, as they would be a huge drain on resources, and would be rather restricted in their operations, and rendered heavily vulenerable, due to the prescence of multiple chokepoints around us, losing one would mean we lose the whole war....
just my 2 cents worth of thoughts over the past 5 mins.
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
No offence but I just hate ppl like u which u always think that S'pore is very safe... Don't be too complacent ppl... Just like the US back then... See what happen to the US navy at pearl harbour?? And I'm sure that there's still active battleships in the world... But no one till now has constructed a battleship with at least displacement of 10,000 tonnes...
The last surface engagement between capital ships was probably the actions of Taffy 3 against the Yamato fleet off Luzon in WWII. Even then, that strictly wasn't an engagement between battleships - that was a David vs Goliath engagement between US destroyers and Japanese battleships. Try reading up on that - interesting stuff.
Otherwise, for much of WWII, much of fighting between fleets was conducted between aircraft carriers which were so far apart that the ships did not actually see each other. The Battle of Midway, for instance had the carriers about 150km away from each other.
Battleships didn't do a lot of work; towards the end of WWII they were used as little more than sea-based artillery for beach landings.
We buy our ships based on our operational needs. Buying an aircraft carrier is seriously just a total waste of manpower and resources when there is absolutely no requirement for us to perform long-range force projection.
And like I said.... putting together a single aircraft carrier group will suck up every single man, plane, and ship in the RSN and RSAF. Send the aircraft carrier group somewhere, and Singapore loses its entire home-based air and sea power. No kidding.
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Thanks everyone for the positive response... Your responses really clarify my doubts... Just wanna thank 16/f/lonely... Cayse when I read ur comment, it made me have a good laugh... I never laugh that loud for a long long time...
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
Thanks everyone for the positive response... Your responses really clarify my doubts... Just wanna thank 16/f/lonely... Cayse when I read ur comment, it made me have a good laugh... I never laugh that loud for a long long time...
You doubt it......but that's not unexpected.
If you want to make our place safer, sign-on with RSN! It lacks people, not $$.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
The last surface engagement between capital ships was probably the actions of Taffy 3 against the Yamato fleet off Luzon in WWII. Even then, that strictly wasn't an engagement between battleships - that was a David vs Goliath engagement between US destroyers and Japanese battleships. Try reading up on that - interesting stuff.
Otherwise, for much of WWII, much of fighting between fleets was conducted between aircraft carriers which were so far apart that the ships did not actually see each other. The Battle of Midway, for instance had the carriers about 150km away from each other.
Battleships didn't do a lot of work; towards the end of WWII they were used as little more than sea-based artillery for beach landings.
We buy our ships based on our operational needs. Buying an aircraft carrier is seriously just a total waste of manpower and resources when there is absolutely no requirement for us to perform long-range force projection.
And like I said.... putting together a single aircraft carrier group will suck up every single man, plane, and ship in the RSN and RSAF. Send the aircraft carrier group somewhere, and Singapore loses its entire home-based air and sea power. No kidding.
The New Jersey could pound up to 23% of Vietnam Peninsula and was used extensively as a mobile heavy artillery support unit during the Vietnam war.
It was decommissioned before it could go back for a 2nd tour because the N Vietnamese refused to sit down for peace talks citing it as a reason.
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Anyway I intending to sign on with RSN after I get my diploma... Just hope that I can get into the unit I intend to get into...
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
Anyway I intending to sign on with RSN after I get my diploma... Just hope that I can get into the unit I intend to get into...
You won't.That's how that place works.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
You won't.That's how that place works.
Ohhhhhh.... Soooooooooo sad.... nvm... I don't care.... As long as I get into navy that's fine with me...
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
Ohhhhhh.... Soooooooooo sad.... nvm... I don't care.... As long as I get into navy that's fine with me...
Why are you signing-on? -
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Why are you signing-on?because I want to carry on the blood flowing through me... My whole family served the government... And having fond in parades and drills... I decided to sign on with the RSN...
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
because I want to carry on the blood flowing through me... My whole family served the government... And having fond in parades and drills... I decided to sign on with the RSN...
Well if you think life is easier there comapred to the other services please steel yourself. -
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Well if you think life is easier there comapred to the other services please steel yourself.Thks mate... Don't care any obstacles heading towards u... Just strive the best u can... Just like every NS men, what do they hoped for?? "ORD"!!!
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
Thks mate... Don't care any obstacles heading towards u... Just strive the best u can... Just like every NS men, what do they hoped for?? "ORD"!!!Thanks..
Thanks.Same to you. And no.....NS men don't wish for that. NSFs do.
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
Guys guys... This is just a opinion of mine... No need to get so worked up... In my point of view in modern warfares, aircraft carriers are the "rulers" of the seas... No doubt it cause a bomb to construct it, it also requires a huge amt. of manpower to sail her out to allow her operations to be a success... That I can understand... But what makes me feel awkward is, a navy w/o battleships?? That's ridiculous... Come on... I consider at least battleships presence in most navy... Since during the last world war, Japan has built 2 greatest battleships in the world, one named Yamato and the other named Musashi... Although the defeat of Japan in the Battle of Midway, IJN continued to construct more battleships and aircraft carriers in the upcoming battles despite the shortage of resources...
NDPfreak wake up - this is 2008 - WII is long gone !!! Why you keep bring up WII to justify battleship - even US have phase out the last of their battleship - so does all other navy. So that is no argument on it.technology and advancement have change a lot of things - gone are the days of battleships !!!
Aircraft carrier ? Only for those rich enough to afford it and have the manpower to operate it. The cost of running an aircraft carrier + its air wings + escort fleet ( destoryers , crusiers, supply ships + submarine ) are just too high for most . What the use of aircraft carrier - if you so not have the money to buy fuels for your planes !!! What the use of aircraft carrier - if you are not able to prove it with the escorts that need to protect it ?
What happen to US at pearl harbor ? Yes - with all the aircraft carriers and battleship - they still got bomb to shit !!! LOL !!!
No money + not enough people to man it = even if you like it - wake up - you cannot afford it mean you cannot have it. If you insist very navy should have battleship or aircraft carrier - till the day you have the money to help each navy pay for them - if not stop dreaming !!!
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Originally posted by arball:
as mussolini once said.....
"italy is one big aircraft carrier!"
Thats how the US saw UK during the Cold War too! The Great unsinkable Aircraft Carrier off Europe!Chill out on the chap. He's still a young guy (Just grad from poly). Long way to go... No, Battleships are not feasible for SG. As for aircraft carrier... well... I won't its impossible.
Current usage of land still allows us to operate airbases without any difficulties. But when land becomes more and more scarce, and naval automation becomes more advanced, we might see a shift that might be more favorable for an aircraft carrier.
But before that, we will probably reclaim land until we cannot reclaim anymore.
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Although the defeat of Japan in the Battle of Midway, IJN continued to construct more battleships and aircraft carriers in the upcoming battles despite the shortage of resources...
Unfortunately it wasn't the smartest thing to do... seriously how much damage did their super battleships do?
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Chill out on the chap. He's still a young guy (Just grad from poly). Long way to go...Unfortunately he's only just doing his O's ... yet to get to Air level or Poly :sigh: they have to start somewhere I guess. Did I really spout this much crap when I was his age? Heh ... too long ago, can't remember. ;)
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Originally posted by NDPfreak:
No offence but I just hate ppl like u which u always think that S'pore is very safe... Don't be too complacent ppl... Just like the US back then... See what happen to the US navy at pearl harbour??
NDPfreak ... read carefully through my post. Where did I even give the impression that Singapore is very safe? You are projecting your preconceived notions into other people's statements and that ultimately affects your ability to comprehend what others are trying to says.
Originally posted by NDPfreak:And I'm sure that there's still active battleships in the world... But no one till now has constructed a battleship with at least displacement of 10,000 tonnes...
Your answer above shows that you have not given any consideration to the questions I've posed for you to dwell on. If you had even bothered to google it you'll be very aware of how misplaced your views are. As it is you seem to only want someone to confirm your point of view and latch onto posts that pander to them.
Do feel free to raise more questions or issues but I doubt you'll learn much from a free discussion until you've either done a bit of background reading/research or are willing to shut up and listen.
Good luck with the RSN career. Good to hear that there are still enitre families serving the nation ... we need more of those.
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Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
Unfortunately it wasn't the smartest thing to do... seriously how much damage did their super battleships do?
Ah..... the legend of Taffy 3....
Musashi was sunk by small escort carriers.
Yamato was chased away by.... destroyers.
And when Yamato was later sent on a suicide mission to Okinawa.... it was sunk before it even reached its destination.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Ah..... the legend of Taffy 3....
Musashi was sunk by small escort carriers.
Yamato was chased away by.... destroyers.
And when Yamato was later sent on a suicide mission to Okinawa.... it was sunk before it even reached its destination.
I think there's a movie on e Yamato right?
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"Otoko-tachi no Yamato"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451845/
Saw it playing on the screen of a video shop in Plaza Singapura
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Originally posted by fudgester:
Ah..... the legend of Taffy 3....
Musashi was sunk by small escort carriers.
Yamato was chased away by.... destroyers.
And when Yamato was later sent on a suicide mission to Okinawa.... it was sunk before it even reached its destination.
Musahi was sunk by Task Force 38,not the CVEs.
Anyway,TS probably watched too many "garang" shows about military stuff,in particularly navies...(I also like to watch such movies...think The Hunt for Red October,Crimson Tide etc)
As much as I applaud his enthusiasm,his ignorance is also appalling!
Let him dream on!
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Thats how the US saw UK during the Cold War too! The Great unsinkable Aircraft Carrier off Europe!Chill out on the chap. He's still a young guy (Just grad from poly). Long way to go... No, Battleships are not feasible for SG. As for aircraft carrier... well... I won't its impossible.
Current usage of land still allows us to operate airbases without any difficulties. But when land becomes more and more scarce, and naval automation becomes more advanced, we might see a shift that might be more favorable for an aircraft carrier.
But before that, we will probably reclaim land until we cannot reclaim anymore.
Shotgun - with the fuel going sky high , operating a aircraft carrier - the need 24 hrs of burning fuel protect from air and surface combatant & submarines - just get further away .
Tying down so many assets to a carrier group - is not the way to go for limited resource navies .
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Well, if we run out of land, even after reclaiming, our air bases may have to shrink. Besides, you ever wondered why fuel prices are sky high?
I honestly can't think of a good reason why its so. Its not like we are running out of oil.