New SAF Digital Camo No.4
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ROFL, u can exercise ur powers to stop ur "hallucinations" ...
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im urgently needing a set of saf new digital no.4!!
size
Shirt : M
Pants : 33"
anyone has lobang? tried for a month to NO avail, sibei sian.
alternatively, can just sell me ONE 33" pants, im willing to offer good price for it
ps, wht new no.4 so hard to get ar?BTW: lionoisy can f**k off, no,4 can talk until steath frigade liao, i really buay tahan such idiocy and OTness. from now on, im gonna treat it as an animal.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
I was looking at SAF No.4 fatigues and suddenly i see ships.... I thought i was hallucinating for a moment.
You know what you have to do. ;)
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i need a pair of these new no.4s..... Will pay for shipping to US.
Lionnoisy... umm.. most of the camo used by the US were "copied" from the Canadian guys. Discussion yesterday @ lunchtime with USMC n National Guard peeps during weekly airsoft game.
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Look for the special laundry instruction before you send th new SAF digitised camo uniforms to the laundry.
Just like the non-crease civilian shirts - that contain special chemicals that help give the non-crease effects - when softeners are added into the laundy wash process, the chemical will be washed out and the non-crease feature will be washed away.
If special dyes or chemicals have been added to enhance the special effects to conceal from near infra-red detection - be very careful not to wash the dye away, or you will be totally exposed in the dark.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Look for the special laundry instruction before you send th new SAF digitised camo uniforms to the laundry.
Just like the non-crease civilian shirts - that contain special chemicals that help give the non-crease effects - when softeners are added into the laundy wash process, the chemical will be washed out and the non-crease feature will be washed away.
If special dyes or chemicals have been added to enhance the special effects to conceal from near infra-red detection - be very careful not to wash the dye away, or you will be totally exposed in the dark.
nope, no special instructions on it,
although IMHO with such a high polyester content, using fabric softener isnt advised...
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Originally posted by ktk:
nope, no special instructions on it,
although IMHO with such a high polyester content, using fabric softener isnt advised...
No, I don't mean that 'fabric softener' should be used, but special attention should be given as to which chemical or laundry process will wash out the dyes that have been "placed" into the new digitised fabric to enhance the cover against near-infra-red detection in the dark.
If the new digitised camo has a high polyester content, it will be 'murderous' - wearing it in the humid equatorial heat.
Some of our skin may react negatively to the polyester material, and what will the special chemical do to the skin with long period of wear under strong UV conditions ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
No, I don't mean that 'fabric softener' should be used, but special attention should be given as to which chemical or laundry process will wash out the dyes that have been "placed" into the new digitised fabric to enhance the cover against near-infra-red detection in the dark.
If the new digitised camo has a high polyester content, it will be 'murderous' - wearing it in the humid equatorial heat.
Some of our skin may react negatively to the polyester material, and what will the special chemical do to the skin with long period of wear under strong UV conditions ?
nike drifit is polyester fyi.
depends on the twill and feel lor, quite OK for me in TW environment.
btw, its damn thin compared to the old no.4
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Certain softeners have an effect on special dyes used in digital uniforms. Take a look at this..
ACU uniform exposed to certain washing detergents and softeners on the right.
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Originally posted by ktk:
nike drifit is polyester fyi.
depends on the twill and feel lor, quite OK for me in TW environment.
btw, its damn thin compared to the old no.4
'nike' drift is polyester fyi' - surely you are not suggesting to have the entire uniform made of the same material as a pair of "Nike shoes" ?If you must find out the feel, you should try wearing a full wedding suit - with its pair of long pants and the suit made from the lightest 100% polyester material - and posed for outdoor photo shoots for one to two hours on the sunniest day.
The Singapore Police Uniform is made entirely of 100% polyester woven with "thinner gauge" of polyester that made the uniform lighter - which will make it comfortable when worn out of the searing sun. This explains for the Traffic Cops retaining their 100% white cotton shirt and 100% blue cotton pants that dates back to the 1950s.
In any case, the same light weight 100% polyester fabric used by the Singapore Police will be unable to tolerate the rough SAF "Life Style".
No matter how the "twill and feel" is manufactured - the man-made "polyester" cannot beat the natural feel of pure 100% cotton.
Even the slightest mix of "polyester" into "cotton" will affect the comfort level - even as the "polyester" is supposed to give strength to the cotton fibre - as can be felt wearing the 80-20 or 60-40 mix of cotton-polyester socks.
Perhaps small patches at the critical wear areas on a uniform can be 100% polyester - such as the elbows, rear humps, crotch, and knees.
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Originally posted by Man!x:
Certain softeners have an effect on special dyes used in digital uniforms. Take a look at this..
ACU uniform exposed to certain washing detergents and softeners on the right.
While the photo shows the results of softeners on digital uniforms that are fabricated with embedded chemical based dyes, it is unlikely that the SAF uniforms will be standing under the kind of UV light that are commonly seen at nighclub entrances.
The UV light that the SAF uniforms will be subject to are the invisible UV-A and UV-B rays from the sun rays that may affect the dye pigment embedded into the fabrics.
The main concern will have to be the effectiveness of the dye that is supposed to block detection from Infra-Red observation equipment that pick-ups our body heat.
The softeners may wash away such dyes that is supposed to conceal us in the dark.
Different grades of softeners must surely affect the dye pigments - as both are chemical based, and unless compatible, the laundry chemicals are designed to act on most other chemical based substance that "stain" garments.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
'nike' drift is polyester fyi' - surely you are not suggesting to have the entire uniform made of the same material as a pair of "Nike shoes" ?If you must find out the feel, you should try wearing a full wedding suit - with its pair of long pants and the suit made from the lightest 100% polyester material - and posed for outdoor photo shoots for one to two hours on the sunniest day.
The Singapore Police Uniform is made entirely of 100% polyester woven with "thinner gauge" of polyester that made the uniform lighter - which will make it comfortable when worn out of the searing sun. This explains for the Traffic Cops retaining their 100% white cotton shirt and 100% blue cotton pants that dates back to the 1950s.
In any case, the same light weight 100% polyester fabric used by the Singapore Police will be unable to tolerate the rough SAF "Life Style".
No matter how the "twill and feel" is manufactured - the man-made "polyester" cannot beat the natural feel of pure 100% cotton.
Even the slightest mix of "polyester" into "cotton" will affect the comfort level - even as the "polyester" is supposed to give strength to the cotton fibre - as can be felt wearing the 80-20 or 60-40 mix of cotton-polyester socks.
Perhaps small patches at the critical wear areas on a uniform can be 100% polyester - such as the elbows, rear humps, crotch, and knees.
sweat wicking polyester and non sweat wicking polyester is very different .
looks like you havn't worn a coolmax / polartec / drifit t-shirt before.
its a t-shirt fabric, its NOT a shoe.
anyway, if the polyester is of the hollow fibre variety , its gonna wick sweat up in a jiffy and help the wearer stay dry next to the skin as the sweat is carried away from the skin layer to the outside layer.
SAF jogging uppers is made of such material.
50/50 "polyco" (polyester/cotton mix for the cloth) has been the US norm for their GI BDU's, its just that SAF still is behind them during the old no.4 era, but has since improved with said new batch of pixilated no.4.
100% polyester will be a nightmare if exposed to fire risk , hence the polyco mix to make polyester burn away without adhereing to the soldier's skin in a nasty hot liquid goop that cause nasty 3rd degree burns.
The UVa UVb dye, thats a joke at best if washed with normal "suds" detergent, i only use ATSKO SPORT WASH for all my polester clothes and uniforms , no UVa/b reactive residues, no problem.
Softener isnt the problem to the UVa/b problem , its the problem to the polyester hollow fibres that provide the critical sweat wicking properties of the cloth. Basically, it collapses the hollow fibre , rendering it into a normal "wedding suit" as you said with NORMAL polyester wedding/police suits.
machine washed the new no.4's , dried up within 4 hours indoors, ambient temp 24 degrees. Very fast drying compared to the old 100% cotton wich takes ages to dry if not for sun.
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Originally posted by ktk:
sweat wicking polyester and non sweat wicking polyester is very different .
looks like you havn't worn a coolmax / polartec / drifit t-shirt before.
its a t-shirt fabric, its NOT a shoe.
anyway, if the polyester is of the hollow fibre variety , its gonna wick sweat up in a jiffy and help the wearer stay dry next to the skin as the sweat is carried away from the skin layer to the outside layer.
SAF jogging uppers is made of such material.
50/50 "polyco" (polyester/cotton mix for the cloth) has been the US norm for their GI BDU's, its just that SAF still is behind them during the old no.4 era, but has since improved with said new batch of pixilated no.4.
100% polyester will be a nightmare if exposed to fire risk , hence the polyco mix to make polyester burn away without adhereing to the soldier's skin in a nasty hot liquid goop that cause nasty 3rd degree burns.
The UVa UVb dye, thats a joke at best if washed with normal "suds" detergent, i only use ATSKO SPORT WASH for all my polester clothes and uniforms , no UVa/b reactive residues, no problem.
Softener isnt the problem to the UVa/b problem , its the problem to the polyester hollow fibres that provide the critical sweat wicking properties of the cloth. Basically, it collapses the hollow fibre , rendering it into a normal "wedding suit" as you said with NORMAL polyester wedding/police suits.
machine washed the new no.4's , dried up within 4 hours indoors, ambient temp 24 degrees. Very fast drying compared to the old 100% cotton wich takes ages to dry if not for sun.
POLYESTER - is POLYESTER until you begin to be more accurate with your preferred definition of its type or its grade - or until you become more exact in your intended use for the material.
The polyester used in the manufacture of the shoe and used in your T-Shirt fabric is from the same chemical base - except for the difference in the final products - both are Polyester.
Could you have mistaken "NYLON" for polyester used in "your T-Shirt" ?
Do you know that there is very little difference between Polyester and Nylon ?
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"Nylon has similar characteristic as polyester - with both having the same chemical structure, same melting point at 295 degrees C, quick drying and mildew resistant, with both having significant strength degradation over prolong UV exposure - while they are similarly strong, NYLON has the edge and outperform Polyester in abrasion resistance testing and is "EASIER to DYE". This makes NYLON more favored in outdoor luggage and sports application.
Polyester is more resistant to stretching and shrinking than nylon, making nylon the preferred fiber for applications where stretch and shock resistance are required - such as in parachutes.
BOTH fibres are relatively non-hydrophilic, but beling less moisture resistant polyester is preferred in many anti-wicking applications - such as substrates for pressure sensitive diaphragms.
DIFFERENCES: Where polyester and nylon diverge significantly is in their chemical behavior. They are chemical mirror image of each other. Polyester favors acidic environments (pH<7.0), while nylon favors alkaline environments (pH>7.0). Given exposure to the wrong chemical environment, either fiber will deteriorate rapidly, expecially at elevated temperatures."
The "breathability and strength" of the fabric is dependent also on the density of the weaving per square centimeter - and will surely help to go a long way in acheiving the intended design or purpose for the chosen material.
Many sports wear manufacturers have generally termed the material used in sports garments as "100% Polyester" and do not identify the actual synthetic material used when there are a wide variety of synthetic materials that are available - (and done so for obvious reasons).
While maintaining the advantage of non-water retention with your 100% polyester, the military uniform has to take into consideration more then your "rapid water removing" feature alone. Some of these considerations will necessarily be protecting the military personnel from the various natural and military environments.
The following article - “Outdoor Clothing & Footwear Recommendations” - offers some interesting points that can be applicable for consideration but will require selective reading to the portions that are related to this part of the world in the equatorial region.
Note:
UV-A and UV-B were mentioned as affecting the dyes used in printing the digital camo patterns, and nothing was mentioned about detergent affecting "UVa or UVb dyes" - are there such dyes ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
POLYESTER - is POLYESTER until you begin to be more accurate with your preferred definition of its type or its grade - or until you become more exact in your intended use for the material.
The polyester used in the manufacture of the shoe and used in your T-Shirt fabric is from the same chemical base - except for the difference in the final products - both are Polyester.
Could you have mistaken "NYLON" for polyester used in "your T-Shirt" ?
Do you know that there is very little difference between Polyester and Nylon ?
Quote:
"Nylon has similar characteristic as polyester - with both having the same chemical structure, same melting point at 295 degrees C, quick drying and mildew resistant, with both having significant strength degradation over prolong UV exposure - while they are similarly strong, NYLON has the edge and outperform Polyester in abrasion resistance testing and is "EASIER to DYE". This makes NYLON more favored in outdoor luggage and sports application.
Polyester is more resistant to stretching and shrinking than nylon, making nylon the preferred fiber for applications where stretch and shock resistance are required - such as in parachutes.
BOTH fibres are relatively non-hydrophilic, but beling less moisture resistant polyester is preferred in many anti-wicking applications - such as substrates for pressure sensitive diaphragms.
DIFFERENCES: Where polyester and nylon diverge significantly is in their chemical behavior. They are chemical mirror image of each other. Polyester favors acidic environments (pH<7.0), while nylon favors alkaline environments (pH>7.0). Given exposure to the wrong chemical environment, either fiber will deteriorate rapidly, expecially at elevated temperatures."
The "breathability and strength" of the fabric is dependent also on the density of the weaving per square centimeter - and will surely help to go a long way in acheiving the intended design or purpose for the chosen material.
Many sports wear manufacturers have generally termed the material used in sports garments as "100% Polyester" and do not identify the actual synthetic material used when there are a wide variety of synthetic materials that are available - (and done so for obvious reasons).
While maintaining the advantage of non-water retention with your 100% polyester, the military uniform has to take into consideration more then your "rapid water removing" feature alone. Some of these considerations will necessarily be protecting the military personnel from the various natural and military environments.
The following article - “Outdoor Clothing & Footwear Recommendations” - offers some interesting points that can be applicable for consideration but will require selective reading to the portions that are related to this part of the world in the equatorial region.
Note:
UV-A and UV-B were mentioned as affecting the dyes used in printing the digital camo patterns, and nothing was mentioned about detergent affecting "UVa or UVb dyes" - are there such dyes ?
yeah yeah whatever,
u can go running un ur polester wedding suit and sweat to death while i run in my poyester nike dri fit tee. LOL.
i bet 10 bux u havint worn a drifit / climacool / coolmax clothing before. 100% polester. GPGT.
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yeah yeah whatever,
u can go running un ur polester wedding suit and sweat to death while i run in my poyester nike dri fit tee. LOL.
i bet 10 bux u havint worn a drifit / climacool / coolmax clothing before. 100% polester. GPGT.
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Originally posted by ktk:
yeah yeah whatever,
u can go running un ur polester wedding suit and sweat to death while i run in my poyester nike dri fit tee. LOL.
i bet 10 bux u havint worn a drifit / climacool / coolmax clothing before. 100% polester. GPGT.
If you insist - you could try making an army combat uniform out of your "drifit / climacool / coolmax" material - and let us know how long it lasted in the field.
Can you even dye your fabric in the various dyes with the enhanced digital camo against heat detection besides direct visual detection ?
All the same, it will be nice to see you find some "UV-A and UV-B enhanced" detergent in the market that can affect any fabric.
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anyone realized that UV rays are relatively short spectrum wavelengths ?
i.e if you use a pair of UV goggles (if they even exist) you probably will be able to see better with your eyes (visible eye has longer wavelength than UV light) than using UV light to see through the camouflage.
non-issue entirely. maybe the troopers wearing the uniform will glow purple if they are fighting in a UV light factory or something
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Originally posted by Atobe:
If you insist - you could try making an army combat uniform out of your "drifit / climacool / coolmax" material - and let us know how long it lasted in the field.
Can you even dye your fabric in the various dyes with the enhanced digital camo against heat detection besides direct visual detection ?
All the same, it will be nice to see you find some "UV-A and UV-B enhanced" detergent in the market that can affect any fabric.
the US has been using it for years on their uniforms FYI. doesnt need to be 100% polyester. its usually a blend of either 60/40 or 50/50 for durability.
heat detection? uv-a /b have little to do with thermal sghts fyi, different spectrum.
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aiya ktk just admit you were wrong lah...
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Originally posted by newcomer:Originally posted by newcomer:
aiya ktk just admit you were wrong lah...
whats your bloody problem? cant see picture , cant read izzit? got evidence liao, u still think im wrong ? dont be suaku hor .
if u idiots cant differntiate polyester /nylon from cotton and didnt even wear drifit/cool stuff before, u can sod off.
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wah attitude problem.
edit: no wonder not many ppl wanna help u buy ur digiform lol
btw u scottish? sod off my ass
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Originally posted by newcomer:
wah attitude problem.
edit: no wonder not many ppl wanna help u buy ur digiform lol
btw u scottish? sod off my ass
u can go f*ck off for all i care u Post count whore.
ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO ME? more like ur the camp behind the monitor type of coward.
and sorry, quite alot of people offering me deals in the uniforms, sorry to break ur heart , sucker.
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lol ok
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A question on SAF uniforms for Afghanistan deployment. i saw in Youtube on NZ Freedom watch and Flag rising ceremony in kabul realised both groups wearing different color camo.
is it just because they were deployed in small numbers and will wear the attached units uniform?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
A question on SAF uniforms for Afghanistan deployment. i saw in Youtube on NZ Freedom watch and Flag rising ceremony in kabul realised both groups wearing different color camo.
is it just because they were deployed in small numbers and will wear the attached units uniform?
AFAIK, new pictures show that they are now issued with the dessert pattern of our own digital camo.