China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers
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It seems that the PLA Air Force is still technologically weak in terms of the latest electronic suites that are nearly standard with most western makes of aircrafts that allow 'All Weather Operation'.
Cockpit instrumentation in all the latest aircraft types would have allowed for flight in bad weather - that include flying through cloud or fog.
For military helicopter operation, the basic cockpit instrumentation that include digital map, GPS, inertial reference unit, Doppler radar, attitude and heading reference system - will probably help the PLA to overcome the present difficulties encountered.
Concerning the use of RSAF Chinooks to assist the DART team in the rescue efforts in China, it is unlikely that it can be done without the approval from the US Government.
Under the Rules of Purchase between the US and Singapore Governments, it would have precluded the use of the RSAF Chinooks to operate in territories that are considered a threat to US interests.
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intergrating technology with people and usage of equipment sometime goes into planning as well. And it takes an understanding of how it can work.
I had involved in labor intensive industry between SG and PRC. I can see the different management in implementing and managing a process and using technology to managed factory compare to Chinese base mgt preference of using human skills.
It is kind of surprise that with the huge defence budget we now see that support equipment was not considered.
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At the moment , they just need to send in masses and masses of ground troops. Pushing in slowly , the mobilisation is so propaganda man.. lol. Volunteer troops and people by the tens and thousands. Even with lack of air capabilities , they are showing to the world that the unity and duty . Communitarian style.
China style disaster relief.
There was once at a place where there was flood , PLA ran out of sand bags and troops volunteered to become sandbags. Damn i need to find that story. I idid not believe at first. lol
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Taking the US army’s handling 2005 Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.
The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys?
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
At the moment , they just need to send in masses and masses of ground troops. Pushing in slowly , the mobilisation is so propaganda man.. lol. Volunteer troops and people by the tens and thousands. Even with lack of air capabilities , they are showing to the world that the unity and duty . Communitarian style.
China style disaster relief.
There was once at a place where there was flood , PLA ran out of sand bags and troops volunteered to become sandbags. Damn i need to find that story. I idid not believe at first. lol
Basically every earthquake rescue is the same, before any human rescue is concluded, you have to basically use hand or light hand hold equipments to do the jobs. Even though, the earthquake has essentially whipped out the only road linking inside the affected area. Which means heavy equipments are difficult to be moved in in time. As most posters have already pointed out, the airlifting is initially huddled by the poor weather and the mountainous terrain, would you blunt enough here to tell us, pilot a Helo above the sea surface is exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility?
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:
Basically every earthquake rescue is the same, before any human rescue is concluded, you have to basically use hand or light hand hold equipments to do the jobs. Even though, the earthquake has essentially whipped out the only road linking inside the affected area. Which means heavy equipments are difficult to be moved in in time. As most posters have already pointed out, the airlifting is initially huddled by the poor weather and the mountainous terrain, would you blunt enough here to tell us, pilot a Helo above the sea surface is exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility?
well ,u want me to be blunt , as a non-pilot , and my limited knowledge aerodynamics and almost no knowledge in the mechanics of piloting a Helicopter,I have to say that , to pilot a Helo above the the sea surface is NOT exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility? Cause one is on sea , the other is in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility. lol. Unless the sea is windy with poor visibility too. anyways.. its not easy and safe in both situations
But whatever it is , the mobilisation is impressive given the curcumstances.
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their heli must be require very big landing ground
i do not see why they need to air drop drinking water? according to report 10 - 50 meter?
also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?
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Originally posted by zaxis:
also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?
I believe it's because they are in need of all those necessseties like rice and thus, do not want their helis to hand on the rice fields and destroy them. -
Originally posted by zaxis:
their heli must be require very big landing ground
i do not see why they need to air drop drinking water? according to report 10 - 50 meter?
also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?
Maybe to avert pestilence? Water may have already been polluted considering how many people died and can’t be retrieved in time. Drinking such water can be devastating.
Rice field is muddy place, no helo wants to be trapped in a swamp.
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so what different from throwing drinking bottled water from heli down?
doesn't that waste of effort?
how many bottle from heli can landed safely?
bottle drinking water is different from boxed maggie mee!
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US wil provide satellite images for rescue.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/may/104967.htm
the terrible terrain....
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2008-05-17/1110500780.html
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1.emergency evcaution for fear of dam collapse
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-05-17/182915561446.shtml
17 05 2008 evening news
2. http://taiwan.huanqiu.com/hot/2008-05/114268_2.html
before--left and after--right
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Originally posted by zaxis:
so what different from throwing drinking bottled water from heli down?
doesn't that waste of effort?
how many bottle from heli can landed safely?
bottle drinking water is different from boxed maggie mee!
how long it takes to walk/Run to the epic center.
I would think that you can haul at least a Pallet of something between 800 lbs to 1200 lbs of aid.
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:
Taking the US army’s handling 2005 Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.
The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys?
the katrina stories isn;t about not able to organized relief effort that was late. It was the Planner at Firma and local political level Govenor of the state that did not have a well thought out "Plan" and carry thru by alerting the national Guard to prepare for emergency. So when the levees broke everyone just watch TV. and finger start pointing.everything was too late.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Under the Rules of Purchase between the US and Singapore Governments, it would have precluded the use of the RSAF Chinooks to operate in territories that are considered a threat to US interests.
Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago... -
Originally posted by Shotgun:
Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago...
The US Congress probably did not allow the full avionic suites to be included in the package, as those were cutting edge technology when the sale was made.For political reasons, it is not the first time that the US Government and Congress had prevented certain military technologies from being delivered to certain countries even as much as they would like to establish good relationship by selling dual use equipment to these countries..
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Roads to the epicenter of the earthquake restored after intensive repairing by PLA's engineering units:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/18/content_8196914.htm
Highways to quake-hit southwest China counties resume trafficwww.chinaview.cn 
2008-05-18 05:17:36 CHENGDU, May 17 (Xinhua) -- Roads to areas worst hit by Monday's earthquake in southwest China's Sichuan Province had all resumed traffic after days of repair, the provincial disaster relief headquarters said Saturday night.
The highways to Wenchuan, Beichuan, Qingchuan, Pingwu, Lixian and Maoxian, all worst-hit counties in Sichuan, all reopened to traffic, the headquarters said.
Previously, rescuers had to be airdropped or trek to some of the areas to carry out rescue operations. Relief goods had to be airdropped.
A 7.8 magnitude earthquake jolted Wenchuan County in Sichuan on Monday afternoon. In Sichuan alone, more than 28,300 died and at least 10,600 people remain buried.
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Originally posted by Shotgun:
Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago...Believe or not, Yanks are more open to sell military stuff to then Red China under communism than today’s one which getting more and more far away from that ideology.
IMHO, What scare them so much is actually a strong China.
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:
Taking the US army’s handling 2005 Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.
The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys?
Erm. the Katrina problem was more a political problem than a logistics problem. Not least the incompetence of the US administration (and their penchant of nepotism), and the idiotic Governor of Louisiana.
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That explains a lot. If the S-70s were indeed sold without full avionics suite, it would hamper its ability to fly safely under lowlight /low visibility conditions.
From what I understand, modern helicopters have a system that creates a 3D image of the terrain for them to fly safely.
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On 14-05-2008, a recon company of PLAAF 15th Airborne Corp conducted a risky parachuting operation at an altitude of 4000-5000m with poor visibility and unknown debris situation on ground:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSTQ5pC1HY
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:
Believe or not, Yanks are more open to sell military stuff to then Red China under communism than today’s one which getting more and more far away from that ideology.
IMHO, What scare them so much is actually a strong China.
Not necessarily-- IIRC, during that period they were using China as a foil against the Soviet Union, and so such a sales would improve US-Chinese relations. It has nothing to do with a strong China or a weak China, rather it is whether selling such weapons would advance their national interests or not. If China was pro-US now, I'm sure the US would be doing all it could to sell weapons to it to suppress the resurgent Russians and North Korea. It's just real-politik.
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I think most of you out in the www is missing the point here! Most soldiers of considerable countries are trained well and hard, their efficiency and abilities are suppose to be properly utilized by their Co's. This incumbent Chinese president is wise and are taking advantage(which is great) of this tragic event to train, practice and to cooperate with offered foreign countries' aids with more , of experience which may benefit and offer the 2008 Olympic attendees with peace of minds. Those that are bragging about how great the Chinese soldiers are so small minded and lack of insight of what their government's intentions totally shamed their CAUSE! I also think that their so call patriotism by chest pounding do remind me of an APE......!
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will this be better or worst?
Mercury retrograde
May 26 - June 19, 2008
Here we go again... Mercury goes retrograde once again. It happens 3 times a year and it lasts for about 3 weeks. This time is from May 27 to June 19, 2008. Then from September 24 to October 15, 2008 and then from January 11, 2009 to February 1, 2009.
Stationing degrees: 21Gem32 and 12Gem58. Watch carefully how the stationing of Mercury at these degrees influences your natal chart in order to understand the personalized impact on your life.
This is an important period, and we should be aware of the effects associated with this astrological influence. Since it is so often, we must learn what it means and how to take advantage of it.
Astronomical background
There is no real backwards movement of Mercury; it's just that we see it this way from Earth, because of the combined movement of the Earth and Mercury around the Sun. However, astrologically this is very relevant.
General influence of Mercury retrograde
Mercury rules over the mind's processes, studying, communication, businesses, travels and the like. When Mercury reverses its direction, all these areas are affected as well.
The mind turns naturally inwards and people tend to analyze more the own thoughts and follow the common thinking patterns, rather then be curious and eager of new intellectual experiences or challenges. This helps the meditation or the thorough lonely long-term study of a specific matter, but it affects the study of new subjects, the communication with the others, the attention oriented outwards.
Businesses, travels and communications tend to experience delays and different problems. Computers and other processes that work with information may experience crashes, unexpected failures.
Don't enroll to courses, don't buy expensive Mercurian items (books, cars, mobile phones etc.), don't sign important contracts and do not marry.
What is this Mercury retrograde period good for?
It is definitely a very good period for some actions. No time is completely bad for anything, there is a reason in everything happens.
The key is the reversed direction of movement: take any known Mercurian action, reverse its flow, consider the keywords "re-doing something", "double-checking", "finish the old projects" and there you are, you've found the good side of Mercury retrograde.
For instance, you may want to read again a book you particularly liked, a subject you studied before, meet and discuss with old friends you haven't met for a long time, travel to places you've already been to before.
This is an excellent time to work on old projects that never got to be finished. So, think about the things you started and never finalized.
Next, you might wish to prevent any bad things to happen to you: so double-check your agenda, call your business partners to confirm that everything goes as planned, have everything ready before the deadline and leave some extra time for unexpected events. Make copies of your important files and documents, save your work more often.
The other solution is to go on vacation or at least slow down the pace of your projects. You will find that going slowly during the Mercury retrograde period will spare you many efforts of redoing the same action that wasn't performed right the first time.
Above all, be generous and compassionate: you are already aware about the influence of this period, but the others aren't aware of it or there may be uncontrollable events. That's why you should have more diligence with the others and give them some more time. It'll be your mental health that you'll be sparing actually.
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PLA is always solid in land combat,still got plenty officer who got hand on experience in real war fight.And the technology is important but not so important,u know in china's civil war ,Mao defeat ,Qiang who with good equipment from USA.