Is it time to rethink 5.56mm rounds?
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Everyone knows the 5.56mm was forced upon NATO (and by extension most other militaries outside NATO) by the US. Some have argued this was a big mistake and we should go back to larger calibre rounds. There are grumbles that going back to 7.62mm might be the way to go in order that lethality can be increased.
The reality is no army in the world is seriously looking at issuing 7.62 as standard because that means you will increase the combat load of already overloaded soldiers. That is not to say however, that it is not doable; that would be utter nonsense - The British Army used 7.62 in its FN FAL prior to being forced to adopt 5.56 and consistently won battles.
What I am trying to get at is that it isn't a simple argument.
What say you? There are several new (ish) calibres in development. If you know about them feel free to enlighten us!
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Dun need bigger round if all u want is to be lethal. Just change the make to steel. Steel is freaking cheap too.
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might as well add a mini nuclear head in the 5.56 at the same time
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depends on your target lah .... if your target is a 6 foot tall 200lbs ang moh, then you'd probably need a bigger round for him ....
but since our likeliest targets are fellow 5 foot plus scrawny rice eaters like ourselves, 5.56 is more than sufficient bah .....
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Originally posted by eagle:
might as well add a mini nuclear head in the 5.56 at the same time
then maybe we can try a 40mm nuclear grenade round. -
Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
then maybe we can try a 40mm nuclear grenade round.for the M203
Later the explosion too big then hit you also
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Originally posted by eagle:
for the M203
Later the explosion too big then hit you also
test first la. -
issue as kamikaze round ..... when you're the last man standing in your position you take it out and chiong towards the enemy ...
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Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
test first la.reminds me of the movie starship troopers
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Originally posted by Fatum:
issue as kamikaze round ..... when you're the last man standing in your position you take it out and chiong towards the enemy ...
there's already one....
SFG.....
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Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
there's already one....
SFG.....
HSC
Human Spontaneous Combustion
Sure very cheap
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Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
there's already one....
SFG.....
no no .... you want to take out a whole battalion along with yourself mah ... I was thinking of starship troopers also ..
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Originally posted by eagle:
HSC
Human Spontaneous Combustion
Sure very cheap
haha. how?
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Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
haha. how?
Get Red Alert 2, Yuri, to train soldiers to use the power of the mind
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Originally posted by eagle:
Get Red Alert 2, Yuri, to train soldiers to use the power of the mind
haha, i think ts sian already looking at all these replies. -
I would like to score bullseye first with my 5.56mm before i proceed with the 7.62mm. if i can even do that bullseye thing with the 5.56mm i might as will shoot paper bullet. so TS tell me are you able to even secure a marksman badge on your shoulders? otherwise shut the fuk up befor i shaft my nick into your mouth
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Originally posted by kcockicht:
I would like to score bullseye first with my 5.56mm before i proceed with the 7.62mm. if i can even do that bullseye thing with the 5.56mm i might as will shoot paper bullet. so TS tell me are you able to even secure a marksman badge on your shoulders? otherwise shut the fuk up befor i shaft my nick into your mouth
like that also need to flame?
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5.56mm (.223) is only suitable to defend yourself against rabbits.
But the rounds weigh about 1/3 as much as a standard 7.62 NATO (.308) round.
It is also much faster and cheaper to train new recruits with pop guns such as the M-16 than it is to train troops with a traditional big bore battle rifle.
In my opionion magazine capacity is no substitute for good marksmanship. That's why I carry a 1911 .45ACP instead of a 9mm.
I hope that the US military will switch to some of the heavier more modern battle rounds. And leave the 5.56mm in the past where it belongs.
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Originally posted by EarlNeo:
Dun need bigger round if all u want is to be lethal. Just change the make to steel. Steel is freaking cheap too.
The problem with shooting steel or steel-jacketed projectiles in a firearm is you are going to increase the wear in the bore of the barrel by several orders of magnitude vis-a-vis traditional copper-jacketed projectiles, as steel is significantly harder than copper.
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
Everyone knows the 5.56mm was forced upon NATO (and by extension most other militaries outside NATO) by the US. Some have argued this was a big mistake and we should go back to larger calibre rounds. There are grumbles that going back to 7.62mm might be the way to go in order that lethality can be increased.
The reality is no army in the world is seriously looking at issuing 7.62 as standard because that means you will increase the combat load of already overloaded soldiers. That is not to say however, that it is not doable; that would be utter nonsense - The British Army used 7.62 in its FN FAL prior to being forced to adopt 5.56 and consistently won battles.
What I am trying to get at is that it isn't a simple argument.
What say you? There are several new (ish) calibres in development. If you know about them feel free to enlighten us!
on one side of the balance is better stopping power...on the other side is the capacity to carry more bullets.
which side to tilt the balance depends on what would its use be...its like there is no use giving a sniper 1000 rounds when all he needs is 1....no use giving an infantry man 20 rounds when he needs 1000 to clear a large area of enemy combatants.
5.56mm is in the middle(I think)...so I guess I am fine with it as the standard issue.
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USE BOW AND ARROWS !!
BIG AND SHIOK
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fight like a man. Fix on bayonet and chiong liao. :)
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Originally posted by SquarePants:
USE BOW AND ARROWS !!
BIG AND SHIOK
Don't look down on the bow and arrow. I can hit a human at 100m with those.I fully agree that the 7.62 has a hitting power advantage. But I disagree with the 5.56 being called to be only suitable for shooting rabbits. If you'd like to volunteer to be a rabbit, I'd gladly demonstrate.
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landmines FTW
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i think its better that we're using what ever our neighbours are using....... no point having weapons that run out of ammo in a war because no resup is coming