Would SAF compensate you for loosing your legs, balls etc?
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Would SAF pay for your livelihood if you come home from war like this?
You'd better find out before you sign on......
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That is rather disrepectful of you.
Whatever you think of the war, these people are doing their jobs under very difficult conditions, at risk to life and limb if need be. The least anyone could do is not to mock them.
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In the USA, war casualties are looked after for LIFE through their Veteran Hospital scheme.
All US combatants are entitled to FULL and FREE medical and health care services from this Veteran Hospital scheme - covering the various stages of Health Care that begins with psychological and physical support through all kinds of Primary or Secondary surgical and medical work needed to re-build the damages done to body and mind.
One time cash compensation for such disabilities may not amount to much, considering the cost of treatment and support that a War Casualty will need to pay for himself in a Health Care system that is being planned for Singapore.
Has MINDEF and the Ministry of Health in Singapore consider this aspect of supporting SAF and the NS men that are placed in harm's way ?
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
That is rather disrepectful of you.
Whatever you think of the war, these people are doing their jobs under very difficult conditions, at risk to life and limb if need be. The least anyone could do is not to mock them.
I don't find that mocking though... -
A wake up call...
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Compensation
Sir, on a related matter raised by Dr Ong – the issue of compensation for SAF servicemen was raised in Parliament last October. I informed Parliament then that MINDEF would carry out a review of the compensation issue.
MINDEF compensates servicemen for death and injury sustained due to military service in accordance with the SAF Regulations. While the basic compensation provided is based on the provisions in the Workmen's Compensation Act, MINDEF also has the flexibility to pay up to 30% in additional compensation in cases where circumstances merit this. In exceptional circumstances, MINDEF has also paid compensation beyond the 30% cap
The principles that MINDEF applies in computing the compensation amount are consistent with the legal principles applied by the civil courts in assessing damages for injuries and deaths. I am satisfied that MINDEF's current framework is essentially adequate to provide fair and reasonable compensation to our servicemen
I have directed MINDEF to formalise these arrangements into a framework for compensation. This framework will provide greater clarity for decisions on compensation for deaths and injuries sustained due to military service, according to the merits of each case.
In addition, I have asked that for the purpose of compensation, MINDEF treat Full-time National Servicemen and NSmen on par with regular soldiers. This means that for deaths due to service, we will also provide a lump-sum pension of a minimum of one year's equivalent regular's pay in addition to the compensation.
Aside from compensation, there is also a range of additional benefits, such as welfare grants from the SAF Benevolent Fund and a dependants' pension depending on the family's financial circumstances. There is also a comprehensive group insurance scheme which our soldiers are encouraged to take up. It provides coverage of up to $400,000 at affordable premiums of $16 per month for every $100,000 of coverage.
Sir, MINDEF knows that no amount of compensation or benefits will alleviate the grief or make up for the loss to the serviceman's family. However, with these improvements to our compensation framework, we will be in a better position to compensate our servicemen's families as fairly as possible. -
Originally posted by tripwire:
Compensation
Sir, on a related matter raised by Dr Ong – the issue of compensation for SAF servicemen was raised in Parliament last October. I informed Parliament then that MINDEF would carry out a review of the compensation issue.
MINDEF compensates servicemen for death and injury sustained due to military service in accordance with the SAF Regulations. While the basic compensation provided is based on the provisions in the Workmen's Compensation Act, MINDEF also has the flexibility to pay up to 30% in additional compensation in cases where circumstances merit this. In exceptional circumstances, MINDEF has also paid compensation beyond the 30% cap
The principles that MINDEF applies in computing the compensation amount are consistent with the legal principles applied by the civil courts in assessing damages for injuries and deaths. I am satisfied that MINDEF's current framework is essentially adequate to provide fair and reasonable compensation to our servicemen
I have directed MINDEF to formalise these arrangements into a framework for compensation. This framework will provide greater clarity for decisions on compensation for deaths and injuries sustained due to military service, according to the merits of each case.
In addition, I have asked that for the purpose of compensation, MINDEF treat Full-time National Servicemen and NSmen on par with regular soldiers. This means that for deaths due to service, we will also provide a lump-sum pension of a minimum of one year's equivalent regular's pay in addition to the compensation.
Aside from compensation, there is also a range of additional benefits, such as welfare grants from the SAF Benevolent Fund and a dependants' pension depending on the family's financial circumstances. There is also a comprehensive group insurance scheme which our soldiers are encouraged to take up. It provides coverage of up to $400,000 at affordable premiums of $16 per month for every $100,000 of coverage.
Sir, MINDEF knows that no amount of compensation or benefits will alleviate the grief or make up for the loss to the serviceman's family. However, with these improvements to our compensation framework, we will be in a better position to compensate our servicemen's families as fairly as possible.
The compensation scheme offered by MINDEF cannot compare to the support given to the injured personnel from the US Armed Forces.If a SAF personnel should fall into the same condition of the US Military Person featured in the photo of the opening piece in this thread, will the existing MINDEF compensation scheme be sufficient to see him through all the medical expenses and life time sustenance ?
The insurance available to the SAF personnel is due largely to the peaceful environment that the SAF personnel operate in at present.
For those SAF personnel volunteering or assigned to war zones with some degree of exposure to conflict situation - the insurance policies may add additonal terms and conditions, or even withdraw certain policy benefits so as to safeguard the interests of the Insurance Companies.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
The compensation scheme offered by MINDEF cannot compare to the support given to the injured personnel from the US Armed Forces.If a SAF personnel should fall into the same condition of the US Military Person featured in the photo of the opening piece in this thread, will the existing MINDEF compensation scheme be sufficient to see him through all the medical expenses and life time sustenance ?
The insurance available to the SAF personnel is due largely to the peaceful environment that the SAF personnel operate in at present.
For those SAF personnel volunteering or assigned to war zones with some degree of exposure to conflict situation - the insurance policies may add additonal terms and conditions, or even withdraw certain policy benefits so as to safeguard the interests of the Insurance Companies.
I agree with your first statement, but your second point is factually incorrect, at least for the SAF group insurance that is offered (and in fact is compulsory for soldiers in certain high tempo units)-- the point of the SAF group insurance would be so that SAF personnel would have SOME insurance coverage in case the other insurance companies withdraw benefits like you stated. Of course, if any insurance company publicly withdraws benefits for soldiers just because they are deployed, the public firestorm that follows would probably give that company some bad times.
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If you get killed oin a war-your family gets insurance.....provided NTUC INcome don't run road.
If you are injurred and you require long term care, they give only 30% of hospital bills?
What if your parents are old and retired and you don't have bothers or sisters? Who will pay? Who will feed your parents and yourself?
Must war-crippled SAF Veterans beg in the streets. If this happens, I will spit on the Minister of Defence, and the leaders of the country. I think our govt must not run away from this Question like cowards......
many US and UK veterans have no homes to return to after they leave the army......
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Originally posted by edwin3060:
I agree with your first statement, but your second point is factually incorrect, at least for the SAF group insurance that is offered (and in fact is compulsory for soldiers in certain high tempo units)-- the point of the SAF group insurance would be so that SAF personnel would have SOME insurance coverage in case the other insurance companies withdraw benefits like you stated. Of course, if any insurance company publicly withdraws benefits for soldiers just because they are deployed, the public firestorm that follows would probably give that company some bad times.
You are correct on your point concerning the SAF Group Insurance plan - which I must admit that I have very little details concerning the insurance companies that are offering the special protection plans for the SAF Personnel.
Most insurance companies have clauses that will exclude certain vocations exposing the insured to extreme dangers - such as parachuting, bomb disposal work, scuba diving, and similar specialist trade.
The fighter pilots will have to pay an extra high premium for their policies even when the RSAF has an impeccable service record in terms of flight reliability and the number of aircraft failures for the long period of flight operating hours.
MINDEF should look into a programme that will insure the SAF Personnel that are exposed to harms' way - especially our troops that have ''volunteered'' for UN sanctioned duties in Afghanistan, Iraq, East Timor and any other war zones that are not in the daily headlines.
MINDEF can make an effort to contribute 0.05 percent from the Defence Budget into a Group Insurance Policy that will provide a similar scheme comparable to the US Veteran Hospital aftercare of injured US Armed Forces Personnel.
Alternatively, the Singapore National Budget has always boasted the return of billions of Singapore Dollar every year from the annual budget surplus to every Singaporean. The total sum paid out annually can be more effectively applied to pay for a National Insurance Scheme for the complete life time of every Citizen - including members of the SAF.
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If i'm not mistaken the SAF does provide free medical care at a Government hospital for a service injury for as long as your life.
Though you'd need to get a white slip from the SAF after an accident/injury report has been written up,submitted and approved.
I know friend who are on this support.Mostly lost of limbs or terrible injuries to their limbs(hazards of being a combat engineer er?)
Qns though dude have you even been into NS?
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Originally posted by Dr Who:
Would SAF pay for your livelihood if you come home from war like this?
You'd better find out before you sign on......
Instead of posing the question to us, why dun you contact MINDEF to clarify the matter? Or for the record, put this up on STOMP instead of trolling in here.The caption is making fun of the plights of the crippled servicemen and it's not wrong to say that it is making a mockery out of them.
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Does anyone know if the NTUC insurance regularly flogged to recruits has a war or terrorism exclusion? Those are fairly common clauses in life insurance and they are there to limit the insurance company's liability IE if some guy blows up an office tower in the name of the IRA/Al Qaeda/Jesus Christ/ the flying spaghetti monster/ etc causing the tower to collapse, killing thousands, the clause stops the insurance companies from being exposed to millions of dollars in payouts.
It would be the con of the decade if such exclusions apply.
Anyway, I read a few years ago that the compensation provided by the govt on death of a serviceman is about S$100000. I think that excludes the 1 years salary referenced above.
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How come the comparison between injured due to war and injured due to military service during peacetimes?
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STOP DREAMING LA u all...if SAF's scheme become like US...it's like sun rising in the west it'll never happen one...NEVER!!!
P** go eat shit!!!
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That picture is totally disrespectful.
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Originally posted by |-|05|:
If i'm not mistaken the SAF does provide free medical care at a Government hospital for a service injury for as long as your life.
Though you'd need to get a white slip from the SAF after an accident/injury report has been written up,submitted and approved.
I know friend who are on this support.Mostly lost of limbs or terrible injuries to their limbs(hazards of being a combat engineer er?)
Qns though dude have you even been into NS?
Easy i can answer this for you ! As I was injuried and been through the whole shit thing !!!
"By right" - yes SAF should provide free medical care at hospital for service injuries as long as you need and compension ..... yes SAF does have that benefits .... but also SAF have lots of assholes that is not doing their proper things !!!
By sad fact it is mostly "by left" for most cases - which units or people try to cover up the incidents ... , mess up the records and paperworks .... and also soldiers not been properly advice on what their true rights in injuries cases. A lot of these injuried soldiers thus never given what they are entitied & the rest are buried under the pile of paperworks .... which they mostly end will never get anything - unless you are persistent and have the help of some higher forces .... that push things for you.
Also what they give is cheap - so that why you are suppose to take up extra coverage which is a joke !!! They ask you to serve the nation, but then you have to buy your own extra insurance !!! - - "There is also a comprehensive group insurance scheme which our soldiers are encouraged to take up. It provides coverage of up to $400,000 at affordable premiums of $16 per month for every $100,000 of coverage."