IPPT standards of other armed forces
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
British Army Standards:
2.4km - under 10:30
Pushups in 2 minutes - 44
Situps in 2 minutes - 50
12.8 km march with 15kg(Support) / 20kg (Engineers) / 25kg (Infantry) - between 1 h 50 mins and 1h 59 mins.
British Army fitness standards seem very high!
This I agree; they do include combat fitness into the passing requirements
Especially the march, it is damn fast!
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Originally posted by eagle:
Do you really think personal experiences are more accurate than mathematics? When I trained 4km in 19 mins, I did 2.4km in 11:25. Both were timed too; my training was always done at a constant speed. If I were to truly take personal experience into account, 12 mins 20 seconds would be already be a tougher test. Mathematical reasonings are there for a purpose. If everyone were to take only personal experiences into account, what would the world turn into? Now you tell me which one is illogical.
Also, it seems that you are only considering the aerobic part of a physical test when we are comparing the whole test. That's being extremely biased. Physical fitness does not consist of solely of aerobic exercises; it consists of anaerobic ones too. If you would wish for personal experiences, I can tell you that way before I entered army, without training, I was able to do near 30+ push ups, yet I couldn't do a single chin up. In addition, do you think 4 stations will wear you out less for your jog as compared to 2 stations? I don't think you would prefer me to go into some simple biological details here.
And if we were to compare the minimum acceptable standards, let's consider only the BMT standards vs their standards of Basic Combat Training.
It is not about being defensive, I'm telling you that your idea of physical fitness tests are slightly biased. Running is not all there is about physical fitness; at least that is what I can conclude from your posts because you seemed to give little regards to other static stations.
Again, you seem very defensive for some reason. Ok so you have different experiences to me. My times seem more realistic though taking into account the extra effort needed to run an additional 800m.
I do not tend to bother with situps, pushups etc because I think they are not too difficult to train for. There is also very little comparison between pushups and pullups - like apples and oranges! Let's face it, the most difficult aspect of IPPT for the majority of people will be the aerobic component.
As well, the 4 stations are hardly taxing. I would class that as warmup. :) Anyway, even taking that into account, our standards are still imo low compared to other armies. Not that I am surprised. We are a conscript army after all and have to take everyone regardless of ability.
The point is we do not have a BMT standard (because we have to take everyone!). You can pass BMT without passing IPPT. 12:20 is the standard for the army as a whole.
I sound bias. Maybe. BUt that is because I, having looked at the figures, feel strongly that our fitness standards fall short of other armies. That is lamentable but there is not much that can be done about it.
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Exercise 1500m Run Press ups Sit ups Burpees Shuttle Sprints HPS* (Points) 100 100 100 100 100 Novices Level 7.40mins + 1-20 Reps** 10-37
Reps1-14
Reps99-105 Secs Points 5-34 1-22 5-37 1-14 5-32 Intermediate Level 6.30-
7.35mins21-40 Reps 38-61
Reps15-28
Reps91-98 Secs Points 36-62 24-60 38-60 15-48 34-46 Advanced Level 5.20-
6.25mins41-60 Reps 62-85
Reps29-41
Reps84-90 Secs Points 64-100 62-100 61-100 52-100 48-100 From British Army -
Originally posted by Croningfool:
Again, you seem very defensive for some reason. Ok so you have different experiences to me. My times seem more realistic though taking into account the extra effort needed to run an additional 800m.
I do not tend to bother with situps, pushups etc because I think they are not too difficult to train for. There is also very little comparison between pushups and pullups - like apples and oranges! Let's face it, the most difficult aspect of IPPT for the majority of people will be the aerobic component.
As well, the 4 stations are hardly taxing. I would class that as warmup. :) Anyway, even taking that into account, our standards are still imo low compared to other armies. Not that I am surprised. We are a conscript army after all and have to take everyone regardless of ability.
The point is we do not have a BMT standard (because we have to take everyone!). You can pass BMT without passing IPPT. 12:20 is the standard for the army as a whole.
I sound bias. Maybe. BUt that is because I, having looked at the figures, feel strongly that our fitness standards fall short of other armies. That is lamentable but there is not much that can be done about it.
Nah, if you think 4km is any easier than 3.2km. I believe my timing for 3.2km would be constant at that point in time too.
Well, it seems that you would think chin ups are easier to train than 2.4km too?
And I have seen people (more than 1) during army who can run gold in 2.4km yet fail sit ups. The same goes for chin ups; there are people who can run very well, yet struggle to do more than 2 chin ups. Easy to train? Again, I guess you would say your personal experiences count again. Also take note of the number of people who failed standing broad jump, yet have the ability to pass 2.4km.
"the most difficult aspect of IPPT for the majority of people will be the aerobic component" is hardly accurate. Each of the stations train a different thing. I agree that pushups and sit ups are easy to train for. Yet trained correctly, even short distances like 2.4km/3.2km are not too difficult to train for too. It is just whether you have the knowledge and motivation to do so.
You would classify 4 stations as warm up, but to others which I have seen in army, it's not warm up to them. Personal experiences again?
Our 4 stations tests anaerobic fitness on different muscle groups
SBJ - legs and hip flexors
Sit ups - hip flexors
Chin ups - lats, abs and biceps
Shuttle run - agility in turning, legsWith respect to this, do you think push ups and sit ups alone test more than these? I would go further to say that training for chin ups beats training for push ups any day; the back is ultimately a more important muscle group with regards to fitness. Hence, chin ups are a better (and harder) test of physical fitness.
I agree with the point that we are a conscript army and that we can pass BMT without passing IPPT though. Our fitness standards may not be up to par, I wouldn't know, but the IPPT is definitely not too low of a standard too.
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Wah - just been reading up on Canadian Army fitness standards.
Apparently, they do not have an annual fitness test! :)
I may have found an army with lower standards than ours. And it is a professional army at that!
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http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts
3 mile run = 2 x 2.4km
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts
3 mile run = 2 x 2.4km
This one seems tougher. I think I can only achieve around 220 points at the moment :(
And this is also interesting:
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-weight-chartsThey actually got min and max weight
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Originally posted by eagle:
This one seems tougher. I think I can only achieve around 220 points at the moment :(
And this is also interesting:
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-weight-chartsThey actually got min and max weight
220 is a pass! You only need 135 points to pass. All in all, it is quite easy. -
Our IPPT standard cannot be compared to all volunteer professional armies. Agree that our standards are lower , but can be a bit lower only. Otherwise no point in soldiering. It is a given that one shud be physically fit to be a soldier - even a conscipt. Otherwise, you become cannon fodder on the battlefield.
More important I think is will to fight.
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Actually on the battlefield, combat fitness, which is different from physical fitness, is more important.
I think our combat fitness is of lower standards though.... It is very different when we put on a num 4 and a helmet, along with a heavy field pack and a heavy rifle... I would think that armies like the Americans might not score as well with physical fitness, but likely score better at combat fitness. At least that was what my OC told us last time...
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they shld do away with the soc. the soc can die. i just made it in time.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Actually on the battlefield, combat fitness, which is different from physical fitness, is more important.
I think our combat fitness is of lower standards though.... It is very different when we put on a num 4 and a helmet, along with a heavy field pack and a heavy rifle... I would think that armies like the Americans might not score as well with physical fitness, but likely score better at combat fitness. At least that was what my OC told us last time...
I heard from my friends who had joint exercise with them. They can't perform at tropical and humid areas like we do. They tend to drink a lot and their big body mass make their cover and concealment quite a flop. -
Originally posted by bryanw:
they shld do away with the soc. the soc can die. i just made it in time.
SOC is to make you lau bak sai nia...
When I did mine, literally lau bak sai sia...
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Originally posted by yamizi:
I heard from my friends who had joint exercise with them. They can't perform at tropical and humid areas like we do. They tend to drink a lot and their big body mass make their cover and concealment quite a flop.Interesting view
Being big has its advantages and disadvantages.
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Originally posted by eagle:
This one seems tougher. I think I can only achieve around 220 points at the moment :(
And this is also interesting:
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-weight-chartsThey actually got min and max weight
58 inches = 1.47 metresI wonder if there are USMC that are so short.
But the 4.8 km run alot of SAF personnel jialat,
2.4 km alot already punk chek liao.
Hehehe
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
58 inches = 1.47 metresI wonder if there are USMC that are so short.
But the 4.8 km run alot of SAF personnel jialat,
2.4 km alot already punk chek liao.
Hehehe
During my NS we always run at least 4 to 5km each time for morning jogs leh... I think depends on unit...
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Originally posted by eagle:
During my NS we always run at least 4 to 5km each time for morning jogs leh... I think depends on unit...
During my BMT, book out already, I come home to run 3km to 4km.Everybody seem to hate running, but I am ok with running.
Only thing I fear is chin-ups, can pass, but normally I aim for gold because of $$$.
Chin-ups I can easily overcome by doing weights in my gym for 10 days.
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Originally posted by eagle:
During my NS we always run at least 4 to 5km each time for morning jogs leh... I think depends on unit...
too much running is not good for the knees because of cartilage wear.I used to run 4km every alternate night.
I have this neighbour, she's able to run 10km on the treadmill everyday and she has a kid.
I was quite shocked by the distance, one day sat by the pool with other neighbours to confirm
that she stays close to one hour on the treadmill and the treadmill showed 11km.
Her heartbeat was abnormally slow, she even went to a cardiologist for checkup.
Can't remember if it was around 50-55 bpm or something, very very slow heart rate.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
too much running is not good for the knees because of cartilage wear.I used to run 4km every alternate night.
I have this neighbour, she's able to run 10km on the treadmill everyday and she has a kid.
I was quite shocked by the distance, one day sat by the pool with other neighbours to confirm
that she stays close to one hour on the treadmill and the treadmill showed 11km.
Her heartbeat was abnormally slow, she even went to a cardiologist for checkup.
Can't remember if it was around 50-55 bpm or something, very very slow heart rate.
Nowadays I reduced running, and increased gym-ing...
Last few times i measured, my resting heartbeat varies between 57 to 62
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Originally posted by eagle:
Nowadays I reduced running, and increased gym-ing...
Last few times i measured, my resting heartbeat varies between 57 to 62
normally if you do alot of cardio intensive, heart rate will be lower.my neighbour is scary, everyday 10km, it's her daily routine.
considering the only time i ran 10km was during BMT,
when I sign up for some run @ ocs just so I can skip training.
even went for the career talk when I have no intention to sign on.
both earned me half day of escaping training.
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2 secs his heart beats once.
He is near but not at the top aerobically, having a VO2 max of 83.8 mL/kg/min — much higher than the average person (40-50) but not as high as that of some other
elite cyclists, such as Miguel Indurain (88.0, although reports exist that Indurain tested at 92-94) or Greg LeMond (92.5).[2] His heart is 30% larger than average;
however, an enlarged heart is a common trait for many other athletes. He has a resting heart rate of 32-34 beats per minute with a max heart rate at 201 bpm.[
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
too much running is not good for the knees because of cartilage wear.I used to run 4km every alternate night.
I have this neighbour, she's able to run 10km on the treadmill everyday and she has a kid.
I was quite shocked by the distance, one day sat by the pool with other neighbours to confirm
that she stays close to one hour on the treadmill and the treadmill showed 11km.
Her heartbeat was abnormally slow, she even went to a cardiologist for checkup.
Can't remember if it was around 50-55 bpm or something, very very slow heart rate.
I believe your neighbour do yoga or qigong as well. =)
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Originally posted by yamizi:
I believe your neighbour do yoga or qigong as well. =)
nope, just running on treadmill. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
SOC is to make you lau bak sai nia...
When I did mine, literally lau bak sai sia...
i hate the monkey bar and jacob ladder the most. anyway running with the rifle and SBO can nearly die. -
Originally posted by eagle:
Nowadays I reduced running, and increased gym-ing...
Last few times i measured, my resting heartbeat varies between 57 to 62
How did you measure your heart rate?
Mine currently beats at about 60 bpm, resting, but I am a high beater. I do cardio runs on the Treadmill at 184+ bpm!
Currently, I am suffering from an injury so I am going to try using the exercise bike instead. Prob is it is hard to get heart rate up on the bike.