IPPT standards of other armed forces
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trying to determine if ours is easy or harder..
anyone can info on their criteria?
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Just found that the US army test only on 2 mile run, push up and sit up..
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why not on different units?
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Our standards are low. OTOH, we test for a lot of nonsense so soldiers from other countries might fail out IPPT, at least on the first few attempts.
Australian Army:
40 Push ups in 2 minutes
70 Sit ups to a cadence
2.4km run in 11 minutes and 30 seconds
Upon achieving that score in the BFA, you are considered AIRN compliant (assuming you meet training, medical, dental and weapons requirements) and thus deployable. -
ndian Airforce Physical Test:
All candidates who pass the written test will be given Physical Fitness Test (PFT) on the same or the next day. PFT consists of a 1.6 Km run to be completed within 8 minutes. Candidates completing the PFT in less than 7 minutes 30 seconds will be awarded additional marks on a sliding scale. Candidates are advised to bring their sports shoes and shorts.
http://www.indianairforce.nic.in/show_news.php?news_id=239
Indian Army Physical Fitness Test:
(i) One Mile Run. To be completed within 6 minutes 20 seconds. Details of
marks as under:-
(aa) 5 min 40 sec and less -60marks
(ab) 5 min 41 sec to 5 min 50 sec -48marks
(ac) 5 min 51 sec to 6 min 5 sec -36marks
(ad) 6 min 6 sec to 6 min 20 sec -24marks
(ii) Pull Ups. Must be able to perform minimum six overhand pull aps on Beam.
Details of marks as under:-
(aa) 10 and above pull ups -40marks
(ab) 9 pull ups -33marks
(ac) 8 pull ups -27marks
(ad) 7 pull ups -21markshttp://indianarmy.nic.in/arcar.htm
Indian Navy
Physical Fitness Test (PFT):
(a) Qualifying in Physical Fitness Test is mandatory.
(b) PFT will consist of 1.6 Km run to be completed in 7 minutes, 25 squat ups (Uthak Baithak) and 10 Push-ups. Candidates undergoing PFT will do so at their own risk.
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I think a good question to ask would be, "Which army has lower physical fitness standards?" The Taiwanese army seem to be quite unprofessional so maybe they will have lower standards. Anyone knows?
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wow. it seems that we're really slack siah. time to pump it up maybe? get the isrealis back or smth... and the medic vomit alread
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Ours slack meh... I think their's are not that hard to pass, from the description given.
Push ups test... Australian army only need 15 to pass?
But ultimately, these are just physical fitness. Combat fitness requires a different mindset. We have SOC, I'm sure these other armies have similar ones that might be tougher. Furthermore, in the case of ang mohs, their body size are on average larger and heavier... A heavy field pack will most probably affect their combat performance lesser as compared to us.
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ours quite hard wat.
compared to others.
1.6km 8 min ok wat.
1 round 2 min..
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
I think a good question to ask would be, "Which army has lower physical fitness standards?" The Taiwanese army seem to be quite unprofessional so maybe they will have lower standards. Anyone knows?
i dunno where u get the idea tat ROC army r unprofessional.
i've briefly seen their Arty unit n Marine Corps aka Hai Jun Lu Zhan Dui trained. definitely not lower den ours.
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oops. srrie. i was thinking 2.4km in 8min. my bad
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Originally posted by arball:
oops. srrie. i was thinking 2.4km in 8min. my bad
to ask for that will result in 3/4 of SAF's regular in deep deep deep shit
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Our IPPT standards are embarassingly low, expecially for 18 and 19 year olds. Put aside nonsense like SBJ and look at the aerobic fitness standards.
1.6km in 8min is for the indian Air Force and that is the absolute lowest time you can get to even qualify to attend basic training. That doesn't mean you get in or that the Indian Army allows you to be at that standard after basic training. Look at the minimum entry requirements for the Indian Army.
I too have stayed in a ROC Marines Camp. The camp looks very old school but I think you may have let looks deceive you. Their NS is now only 1 year. I can find not reference to a fitness test, only a physical inspection by doctors. Anyone know about ROC fitness assessment standards?US army standards aren't particularly high but they are definitely higher than ours. 2 miles is 3.2 km.
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
Our IPPT standards are embarassingly low, expecially for 18 and 19 year olds. Put aside nonsense like SBJ and look at the aerobic fitness standards.
1.6km in 8min is for the indian Air Force and that is the absolute lowest time you can get to even qualify to attend basic training. That doesn't mean you get in or that the Indian Army allows you to be at that standard after basic training. Look at the minimum entry requirements for the Indian Army.
I too have stayed in a ROC Marines Camp. The camp looks very old school but I think you may have let looks deceive you. Their NS is now only 1 year. I can find not reference to a fitness test, only a physical inspection by doctors. Anyone know about ROC fitness assessment standards?US army standards aren't particularly high but they are definitely higher than ours. 2 miles is 3.2 km.
I would say 1.6km in 8 mins is easier than 2.4km in 12 mins. So the minimum passing rate of 2.4km in 12 mins 20 secs should be reasonably the same standard as 1.6km in 8 mins
Again, US army 3.2km run in 16.36 mins to pass isn't exactly much higher than ours too. Source
Not to mention you only need to do 35 push ups in 2 minutes to pass and 47 sit ups in 2 minutes to graduate Basic Combat Training. SAF's timing is only 1 minute... I'm sure quite a number of SAF post-BMTers can achieve these 2 requirements in 1 minute.
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i feel like fainting when i run 2.4km
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Originally posted by eagle:
I would say 1.6km in 8 mins is easier than 2.4km in 12 mins. So the minimum passing rate of 2.4km in 12 mins 20 secs should be reasonably the same standard as 1.6km in 8 mins
Again, US army 3.2km run in 16.36 mins to pass isn't exactly much higher than ours too. Source
Not to mention you only need to do 35 push ups in 2 minutes to pass and 47 sit ups in 2 minutes to graduate Basic Combat Training. SAF's timing is only 1 minute... I'm sure quite a number of SAF post-BMTers can achieve these 2 requirements in 1 minute.
As I said, that is for the Airforce and that is the bare minumum required to be allowed into the airforce. They hold a selection rally periodically and choose from that group depending on the number of points achieved. And that is only for selection.
Also, the US army requires 17 - 21 year olds to run 3.2km in 15:54 once out of basic training. From personal experience, that means a 11:25 2.4km. The time of 16:36 is for people in basic training. Again, from personal experience, a 16:36 3.2km will equate to a 2.4km time of about 11:50.
Do you know if we allow women more time?
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
As I said, that is for the Airforce and that is the bare minumum required to be allowed into the airforce. They hold a selection rally periodically and choose from that group depending on the number of points achieved. And that is only for selection.
Also, the US army requires 17 - 21 year olds to run 3.2km in 15:54 once out of basic training. From personal experience, that means a 11:25 2.4km. The time of 16:36 is for people in basic training. Again, from personal experience, a 16:36 3.2km will equate to a 2.4km time of about 11:50.
Do you know if we allow women more time?
In most units in SAF (which is out of basic training), unless you clock at least a silver in your IPPT, you will hv to keep re-taking. We are also considering forced conscription in Singapore vs volunteered conscription in the US.
Btw, by extrapolation, 16:36 for 3.2km does not equate to a 2.4km time of about 11:50. It equates to 12 minutes 27 secs if one runs at a constant speed for the whole 3.2km. Thus, <12 minutes 20 secs for a pass in 2.4km is reasonable since the distance is shorter than 3.2km, and should be reasonably roughly the same difficulty as a 3.2km run.
In addition, we do not consider purely running as the whole physical test. You need to take into account other stations. Compare doing 35 push ups vs 6 chin ups, and then a shuttle run after that. Compare doing 47 sit ups in 2 mins vs 25 in 1 min, then having to do a SBJ after that.
Lastly, 15:54 for 3.2km is roughly 11:56 for 2.4km if one runs at a constant speed. Again, the silver timing for IPPT is 11:40.
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now i think if i run sure fall out
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Originally posted by eagle:
In most units in SAF (which is out of basic training), unless you clock at least a silver in your IPPT, you will hv to keep re-taking. We are also considering forced conscription in Singapore vs volunteered conscription in the US.
Btw, by extrapolation, 16:36 for 3.2km does not equate to a 2.4km time of about 11:50. It equates to 12 minutes 27 secs if one runs at a constant speed for the whole 3.2km. Thus, <12 minutes 20 secs for a pass in 2.4km is reasonable since the distance is shorter than 3.2km, and should be reasonably roughly the same difficulty as a 3.2km run.
In addition, we do not consider purely running as the whole physical test. You need to take into account other stations. Compare doing 35 push ups vs 6 chin ups, and then a shuttle run after that. Compare doing 47 sit ups in 2 mins vs 25 in 1 min, then having to do a SBJ after that.
Lastly, 15:54 for 3.2km is roughly 11:56 for 2.4km if one runs at a constant speed. Again, the silver timing for IPPT is 11:40.
I am not sure what you are on about and you seem to be very defensive - I am not sure why you are quite so upset. I did not extrapolate those figures and it would be illogical to try and extrapolate as you did for obvious reasons.
As I said, those were based on personal experience. I have been building up my fitness again after a period of inacitivity and slothfulness. I currently run 2.4 and 3.2 km and regularly time myself. I found that when I was running 2.4km in 11:50, I can run 3.2km in about 16:37 and when I ran 2.4km at 11:25, I was able to run 3.2km in 15:51.
I have done IPPT because I have done my NS stint. I know what it is like to do IPPT. There is very little aerobic about situps, pullups and shuttle runs. I also know what it is like in the Units, having been in an infantry unit myself. Look at it this way - you say that many units require more than the minimum standard. We can assume that foreign military units expect much the same. We should therefore eliminate unit expectations from the equation and stick to minimum acceptable standards.
Edit: BTW, I have updated the Australian Army fitness test standards as I found another source online.
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
I am not sure what you are on about and you seem to be very defensive - I am not sure why you are quite so upset. I did not extrapolate those figures and it would be illogical to try and extrapolate as you did for obvious reasons.
As I said, those were based on personal experience. I have been building up my fitness again after a period of inacitivity and slothfulness. I currently run 2.4 and 3.2 km and regularly time myself. I found that when I was running 2.4km in 11:50, I can run 3.2km in about 16:37 and when I ran 2.4km at 11:25, I was able to run 3.2km in 15:51.
I have done IPPT because I have done my NS stint. I know what it is like to do IPPT. There is very little aerobic about situps, pullups and shuttle runs. I also know what it is like in the Units, having been in an infantry unit myself. Look at it this way - you say that many units require more than the minimum standard. We can assume that foreign military units expect much the same. We should therefore eliminate unit expectations from the equation and stick to minimum acceptable standards.
Do you really think personal experiences are more accurate than mathematics? When I trained 4km in 19 mins, I did 2.4km in 11:25. Both were timed too; my training was always done at a constant speed. If I were to truly take personal experience into account, 12 mins 20 seconds would be already be a tougher test. Mathematical reasonings are there for a purpose. If everyone were to take only personal experiences into account, what would the world turn into? Now you tell me which one is illogical.
Also, it seems that you are only considering the aerobic part of a physical test when we are comparing the whole test. That's being extremely biased. Physical fitness does not consist of solely of aerobic exercises; it consists of anaerobic ones too. If you would wish for personal experiences, I can tell you that way before I entered army, without training, I was able to do near 30+ push ups, yet I couldn't do a single chin up. In addition, do you think 4 stations will wear you out less for your jog as compared to 2 stations? I don't think you would prefer me to go into some simple biological details here.
And if we were to compare the minimum acceptable standards, let's consider only the BMT standards vs their standards of Basic Combat Training.
It is not about being defensive, I'm telling you that your idea of physical fitness tests are slightly biased. Running is not all there is about physical fitness; at least that is what I can conclude from your posts because you seemed to give little regards to other static stations.
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my best 2.4 is 11.35 in bmt. chin up 8 also in bmt. now chin up 1, 2.4 fall out.
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Originally posted by Croningfool:
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Thanks. My internet cut out for some reason.
Irish Defence force fitness test seem quite easy particualrly as it takes the average of 3 stations.
The 10km march is an unknown quantity because I have never attempted something like that. Still, boots + clothes = cannot be more than 5-6 kg so it probably is quite easy.
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British Army Standards:
2.4km - under 10:30
Pushups in 2 minutes - 44
Situps in 2 minutes - 50
12.8 km march with 15kg(Support) / 20kg (Engineers) / 25kg (Infantry) - between 1 h 50 mins and 1h 59 mins.
British Army fitness standards seem very high!
