Can Super Hornets beat F15SG?
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Well if our F-15SG airframs are built by the koreans... lets hope they settled the issue that had their own F-15Ks crashing.
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Both r using same radar la
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Originally posted by spartan_6:
Both r using same radar la
Do i read wrongly? F-15K is using APG-73V1 while SuperHornet APG-79
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Platforms vs platform comparisons are meaningless. At the end of the day it comes down to the same thing. Weapons are important , training is even more important, logistics is EVERYTHING. It is airforce vs airforce not platform vs platform which counts. A good airforce will always come up with strategies and tactics to be able to neutralize any platform advantage. But an inferior airforce will always lose no matter how superior its aircraft because of poor training and logistics.
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Is it? Thanks for pointing tat out 2 me
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Our neighbour used to have Hornets. Would SG be so stupid to buy something inferior to theirs. lol
Ex-Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed said in a speech recently:
"...(the) MIGs are given, are sold to us without any condition, if you feel like bombing Singapore, for example, the Russians are not going to object.
[laughter]
Any Singaporeans here? Or ex-Singaporeans?"
Dr M continues in the later part of the speech:...but this great aircraft called F-18, which we bought from America, after buying it, after several months, I got to know that this aircraft cannot be used for any attacks against any country, even if this is not Singapore.
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drM owns siah
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drM owns siah
the only thing he owns is a big nose. he doesn`t have credibility in international politics....Was snubbed by his own party several times.... Was ineffective in getting his way internationally.....modest successes domestically.. ...corruption and inefficiency reigned unchecked under him and poor badawi had to shoulder the damage. it`s good he`s no longer pm.
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UMNO's 60th birthday
Mahathir has a gift
A long DVD attack on its leaders as 'lacking courage' and also touches on ties with Singapore. Blogger Jeff Ooi.
May 12, 2006Call it coincidence, but timing couldn't be more perfect.
As Umno celebrates its 60th anniversary today, a two-hour DVD depicting former Umno president Dr Mahathir Mohamad criticising the current crop of leaders for "lacking courage" makes it to the market.
The DVD is a recording of Mahathir's speech - titled 'Current Issues in Malaysian Politics' - and Q&A with 100 Malay professionals last December. It was a by-invitation-only event organised by think-tank Institute of Economic and Political Studies (Ikape).
For the record, Ikape is headed by former New Straits Times editor-in-chief Abdullah Ahmad aka Dollah Kok Lanas (DKL).
A quote from Mahathir in the DVD:
"If you want things to be right, you have to take the risk. But what I see now is a desire to avoid risks at all cost even if the country goes to the dogs."
Going to the dogs? You ain't heard nothing yet. "We are also not good at negotiating," said Mahathir. Quote:
I want to tell you, we had wanted to buy Russian MiGs (fighter planes). You know Russians, they are very inferior. Somehow or other, it was wangled without my knowledge, that part of the money (only to be used to purchase MiGs was also used) to buy (the American made) F-18 (planes). The very good American aircraft costs twice as much as the MiGs. And then, we acquired eight F-18s and 18 MiGs. MiGs are sold to us without any condition. If we feel like bombing Singapore, for example, the Russians are not going to object. Any Singaporeans here? Or ex-Singaporeans?
But this great aircraft called F-18 which we bought from America, after buying it, after several months, I got to know that these aircraft cannot be used for any attacks against any country even if it is not Singapore, because the Americans sold the aircraft, but the source code is kept by them. So you cannot plan anything, you cannot fly them to carry out any bombing attacks against anybody but you have this wonderful aircraft, which you can see at Lima (the Langkawi International Maritime and Aviation Exhibition). So, we spent this huge sum of money and they actually negotiated and agreed to these terms.
So that's why I say we are not very good at negotiating.
Mahathir also said Umno members were afraid of putting their heads on the chopping block and thus opted for silence when things went wrong.
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Originally posted by F-15:
Our neighbour used to have Hornets. Would SG be so stupid to buy something inferior to theirs. lol
Ex-Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed said in a speech recently:
"...(the) MIGs are given, are sold to us without any condition, if you feel like bombing Singapore, for example, the Russians are not going to object.
[laughter]
Any Singaporeans here? Or ex-Singaporeans?"
Dr M continues in the later part of the speech:...but this great aircraft called F-18, which we bought from America, after buying it, after several months, I got to know that this aircraft cannot be used for any attacks against any country, even if this is not Singapore.
Emm.. The Malaysians had F18Ds Hornets, the Aussies are getting F18Fs Super Hornets, which are quite different.
That said, F18s are not known for fantastic manoeuvrability. Even less than the F14s which they relaced. But with helmut mounted sighting systems and missles like the AIM9X, manoeuvrability might not be that critical unless you going to guns.
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wow... old topic brought back to life....lols
dun really know much about msia airforce, but our rsaf is still larger than them right?
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stumble upon this site got pic of their AF...but pic only no info...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=117432
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Originally posted by insouciant:
Emm.. The Malaysians had F18Ds Hornets, the Aussies are getting F18Fs Super Hornets, which are quite different.
That said, F18s are not known for fantastic manoeuvrability. Even less than the F14s which they relaced. But with helmut mounted sighting systems and missles like the AIM9X, manoeuvrability might not be that critical unless you going to guns.
Its not that manoeuverability isn't important. A fighter still has turn his nose relatively quick to face his enemy in order for his radar to paint it. The ability to change directions n run is still crucial.
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Originally posted by insouciant:
Emm.. The Malaysians had F18Ds Hornets, the Aussies are getting F18Fs Super Hornets, which are quite different.
That said, F18s are not known for fantastic manoeuvrability. Even less than the F14s which they relaced. But with helmut mounted sighting systems and missles like the AIM9X, manoeuvrability might not be that critical unless you going to guns.
Anyone can verify this? I mean, the F-18s were designed with negative static stability, while the F-14s have positive static stability, shouldn't the F-18s be more maneuverable? The LERXes themselves would give a higher AoA?
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pic pls...more nice...
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Originally posted by edwin3060:
Anyone can verify this? I mean, the F-18s were designed with negative static stability, while the F-14s have positive static stability, shouldn't the F-18s be more maneuverable? The LERXes themselves would give a higher AoA?
Erm, not exactly.
The F-16 was designed with negative static stability. It requires the Flight computer make multiple inputs in order the keep the aircraft stable in flight. Without the flight computer, the aircraft cannot be flown. However, this also results in enhanced agility.Aircraft with negative static stability would be jets like the Eurofighter, Rafales etc.
The F/A-18E/F had reduced static stability, but given its design, they aren't like the F-16s at all. The Hornets and Eagles IIRC have positive static stability, which means they don't go berzerk while trying to fly level without a flight computer (simplistically). The F/A-18E/Fs have superb agility at low speeds. They can pitch and roll while the others are losing control. (That rhymes!)
Of course, going low and slow isn't helpful in BVR. For now.
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Super hornets fans shall be happy to read this:
http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/paris07/assets/pas_2007fa-18_final-r1.pdf
''F/A-18 & EA 18 & EA-18G Program 18G Program
Capable, Affordable & Joint Interoperable Capable, Affordable & Joint Interoperable…Today & Tomorrow'' -
holy sheeet ! that is the shortest reply Lion ever made!
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Shud not be drawn to which plane is better.
If one on one, it depends on the skill & experience of the pilot. Remember that most of the time in real aerial combat , the better pilot triumphs over the less capable pilot in a superior aircraft. Yes, a good pilot in a F18 can beat the shXX out of a losuy F15 pilot.
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If 1 on 1 in a neutral fight, the skilled and more experienced pilot is the one that retreats first. People really don't "fight til the finish" in aerial combat. There's more strategy than that... surprise!
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Neutral ? Please explain.
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Still have kamakaize fighters ah? I thought all died in the last war. Stupid poor brave souls conned by their commanding officers.
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Originally posted by Sepecat:
Neutral ? Please explain.
Neutral meaning neither pilots having the advantage in terms of capability, airspeed, and altitude.An F-16 vs an F-16, in a head on-BFM setup, bother at 10k ft would be a very neutral set up. Usually when the situation is so neutral, the pilot would opt to escape. In this case, blowing through at top speed and not turning back to get out of the opponent's weapons perimeters.
If an F-16 fights an Su-27 with the Sukhoi starting at the F-16's six, it would be a very defensive fight for the F-16 given the sukhoi's positional advantage, and turning capability.
So, if the setup is neutral, the best remedy to avoid a deadly gunfight would be to escape as early as possible, before any more positional play can be made that might affect the neutrality of the setup.