US JLTV--Any chance for Terrex IFV?
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SG Bionix is one of the 4 finalist vehicles in the US Army medium armoured vehicles selection,the only foreign and tracked vehicles.
2.Now another chance come and ST will be much smarter.I think it will use US company to bid for
The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV) Family of Vehicles (FoV) is a joint pre-MDAP program currently for the(US) Army and Marine Corps. The JLTV goal is a family of vehicles with companion trailers capable of performing multiple mission roles that will be designed to provide protected, sustained, networked mobility for personnel and payloads across the full Range of Military Operations (ROMO). JLTV objectives include increased protection and performance over the current fleet; minimizing ownership costs by maximizing commonality, fuel efficiency and other means; maintaining effective competition throughout the lifecycle.
The JLTV FoV includes ten (10) sub-configurations (and companion trailers) in three payload categories. However, a single vehicle and/or trailer may be able to fulfill the requirements for multiple sub-configurations
........2.Do u think ST has a chance to use
Terrex Infantry Fighting Vehicle http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=126
3.Details of RfP
http://contracting.tacom.army.mil/majorsys/jltv/jltv.htm
4.some info
http://defence-ata.com/current/page39472.htm
5.It seem US made the same mistake again by saying the preference before receiving any proposals:
....."JLTV will replace all the HMMWVs for the Marine Corps and will be the centerpiece of the light tactical wheeled vehicle fleet as part of the tactical mobility triad to maintain our expeditionary capability," said Lieutenant Colonel Ben Garza, JLTV Programme Manager for the US Marine Corps located at Quantico, Va.
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No Chance
Terrex is not light
Terrex does not have expeditionary capability
Terrex has 8 wheels
I think they are more interested in 4 wheels
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Terrex ‘……boasts superb mobility with tremendous potential for future technology inserts.. ‘’
I think it will be quite accurate fro it to hit GPMG site,APC,tanks etc
http://images.google.com.sg/imgres?imgurl=http://defence-data.com/storypic/terrexav81.jpg&imgrefurl=http://defence-data.com/dsei/pageds1044.htm&h=255&w=300&sz=17&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=TqPmSdAsD812CM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dterrex%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
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Can we insert it(1) with missiles or (2) to reduce the payload ,just attach explosives and Terrex just crash into the targets.?
I think it will be quite accurate fro it to hit GPMG site,APC,tanks etc
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Im sure tat the above picture is purely conceptual
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Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:
Im sure tat the above picture is purely conceptual
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=126
Terrex Infantry Fighting Vehicle The Terrex AV81 represents a new class of wheeled vehicle that is air-deployable, fast, mobile, reliable, and survivable. It boasts superb mobility with tremendous potential for future technology inserts. Related Companies The product is for sale long time ago.This is the side effect of US medium armoured vehicle contract.US prefers wheeled version.So SG now have world class,yes,world class,track and wheel APC.
Who are you?How much do u know about SG defense industry?
do u know another product:
SG Bionix is one of the 4 finalist vehicles in the US Army medium armoured vehicles selection,the only foreign and tracked vehicles.
It just like SG won a 4 th in Defense Olympic!!
When SG can win over many platforms from all over the world,incl G8 countries,can i say it is world class?There are some 60 platforms to bid the US contract around 2002.
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Just curious...why is it these days we only have pure-bred tracks or wheels? No hybrids like half-tracks frm WWII?
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I say again...
IMHO,
Terrex will not take part in JLTV.
Terrex will not have a 2 man turret as shown the in picture.
Bionix will be selling like hotcakes since 2002 if it is that good.
ST Kinetics can win many platforms from all over the world, but it is only the SAF are using them.
Not convincing enough
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Eh... lionnoisy very quiet on the use-the-Terrex-as-a-IED idea leh... since he likes the idea of suicide UAVs so much, he should be really on for this.
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hahaha actually i think Terrex is good enough for JLTV. Really:) See whether US wants it or not.
nope no 2 man turret. even if it has it is using the BXI turret, not the BXII one i think.
BX not selling like hotcakes not because it isnt good. in fact it is very good, despite many complaints from our army boys. its jus that its customized to our own terrain, US cant get optimum performance from the BX, which is why they developed their own bradley.
Anyway on why BX is good,
1) Ease of use. Those trained in BX will understand
2) Mobility. its small, powerful, and can pivot. Plus can 'swim'
3) Firepower. 25/30mm bushmaster, same as bradley.
4) and many more.
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Obviously tat is a BX1 turret, both BX1 and 2 have 2 man turret variant.
Which vehicle is designed not easy to operate ?
Which vehicle does not have good mobility ?
Teh Swimming Screen will make the enemy die laughing on the opposite shore
What you listed are the basics or must have...
Not convincing enough
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hmm mayb i shld elaborate.
only BX1 turret can fit. BX2's one is too big, due to the upgraded gun.
hahahaha there are many vehicles not easy to operate. jus ask anyone trained in the other A vehicles to know. BX is seriously easy:)
One reason why BX has good mobility is the dimensions. it was designed to FIT into singapore's vegetation. try asking tt during army open house. they will tell you more. and unlike SM1 and ULTRA, teh BX can pivot. tts a very huge advantage. u will really love pivot during exercise when u realise u took a wrong turn.
Well not sure if this is allowed, but BX wont be at war frontline. but u shld have realised this if u know armour doctrine. APCs never make the frontline. Thus it doesnt matter whether the swimscreen is used or not. anyway the reason why we have to make do with swimscreen is so that we do not have to sacrifice too much armour to make the vehicle light enough to float on its own. its all physics.
yup feel free to ask more abt the BX. hope this convinces u for now!
anyway the Stryker vehicle tt america is using has 8 wheels. they arent looking for 4 wheeled A veh.
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i dunno who to ask, could you shed some light on which A vehicles which are harder to use ?
If u have not used other A vehicles before, how do u know BX is seriously easy ? I believe BX drivers drive BX only.
Mobility is totally different as designed to User's needs (eg Dimensions ?).
Being able to move around in rubber plantation easily does not necessary mean that vehicle has good mobility.
Well the ULTRA can pivot steering but not on the spot pivoting.
I not sure are you kidding me that SAF spent many millions on BX and they wont be at the front line ?
I am not sure if u have heard of 'forward defence' which the 1st barriers we have to overcome are the water bodies ?
Our vehicles die die have to swim !
Talking abt common sense rather than armor doctrine here
How many roadwheels does a BX has ?
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Erm acurara....what are you talking about?
Other than he_loves_his_toilet 's question, you have other flawed stuff
BX is BIGGER than an Ultra. BX has 6 road wheels while ultra has 5.
I can wave to you from the opposite side of the river while you are still in your bx.
Bx is fast...that's because it's newer and has a newer/bigger engine.
BX is better than ultra on a basic level because it is better armoured. Seriously you dont compare vietnam war era stuff with 2000AD stuff right?
Ultra will have -no- issues with a 30mm cannon either just that it's a waste of money to integrate it.
Yes i know armour doctrines. APCs dont go to the frontline. IFVs do. Guess which one is Bx and Ultra(pssst, they are both the same)?
Singapore where got vegetation for Bx to be "build specifically for?"
AFAIK, we have more Bxs than tanks. Which is more "expendable?".
Seriously where you get taught your armour "doctrine"
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doublepost
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Hmm ok maybe i'll share what i know.
To answer to toilet's qn on ease of use, i'll use a simple comparision.
For the 40/50 bx and ultra, you have total auto elevation + traversion of the cupola. for ultra, elevation is manual. dont ask me why, but it was like that. down to the bx, the steering is via steering wheel. many tanks nowadays, be it leopard or merkava, still use levers. for those who have used the sighting system, etc, like changing ammo blah blah blah, whether or not the gun IAs, lets jus say its all good.
ok well i admit i'm from armour. our definition of mobility doesnt just include like speed, specifications. its more than that. its about adapting to terrain. i duno if this is allowed, but when the bx was designed, the dimensions were given beforehand, i.e, it could not exceed a certain size. tts why its relatively small. this is because we figure bx will need to move arnd in plantations. bx has high mobility because, 1) ok it has a good engine and can pivot on teh spot. 2) tough tracks can tackle almost any terrain. 3) the sideslope it can withstand is quite high. meaning it wont topple easily. 4) engine brake is a big plus. nothing to do with roadwheels here.
erm well, BX is definitely not on the frontline. it doesnt matter how many millions we spent. it doesnt matter whether BX is an 'APC' or more correctly, an 'IFV'. its simply because there is smth else to go in front. and leopard is one of them. and like i said, we use swimscreen simply because we need to swim and we dont want to compromise our armour, which is well, the biggest factor in armour.
anyway there is a very good reason why singapore uses track vehicles and we dont use wheels, which is probably faster, more easily replaceble blahblah. interested pm me.
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Actually v simple
BX 40/50 auto elevation is of course an improvement from ULTRA manual elevation over the years.
Steering wheel vs levers, just a matter of preference of the User.
Improved sighting system is part and parcel of tech advancement.
May I know your vocation ?
Ability to move is specified terrain is of coz a design pre-requirement. BX is not special because it is small n can move in rubber plantation. BX is special bcos it is Singapore's indigineous IFV.
Of coz, the tank PC spearhead the ABG attacks, but an ABG consists of tanks and IFVs. Interdependent on each other too.
Millions of $ spent on BX matters, because its TAXPAYERS $ !
I do not think that BX w/o its armor plates can swim like the Broncos or ULTRA. Since you say BX is not a frontline vehicle, why is there a compromise in armor protection when swimming ?
Explain why it doesnt matter whether the swimscreen is used or not, do u mean it doesnt matter that our vehicles can swim anot ?
Lastly, I am not sure if you know how many roadwheel a BX has...
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If the Bx is NOT a frontline vechicle, how on earth are the armoured infantry going to even be involved in the battle?
If you mean the Bx is not supposed to trade shots with MBTs then yes that's not what it's supposed to do.
But if you think that it's not going to be contacted by the enemy and designed to attack as part of its job then you probably are going to be quite wrong.
And why PM you acurara? It's pretty obvious to the veteran forumers here that your statements are full of holes, and it's also pretty obvious that you don't seem to know AFVs very well at all from what you have said... please compare the Bx with other similar systems before you make your statements.
Another one of your statements that show a somewhat lack of knowledge of subject matter:
... but it was like that. down to the bx, the steering is via steering wheel. many tanks nowadays, be it leopard or merkava, still use levers. for those who have used the sighting system, etc, like changing ammo blah blah blah, whether or not the gun IAs, lets jus say its all good.
It's obvious you are trying to smoke your way through... I've seen the interior driver's position of a Leopard and Merky before... like most modern tank use what you deem as a "steering wheel".
Tsk tsk tsk...
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sigh.
I am trained in armour by vocation, and commissioned as an armour officer, trained on BX platform. Worked in ****.
Yes tanks and apcs work together, but no does not mean they are not interdependant. however it doesnt mean that tact teams of both lead the way. there are some other stuff teh saf has to lead the way.
well as for the compromising of armour for the swimming. there are 5 main elements of armour: Armour itself, Mobility, Firepower, Shock, Flexibility. we didnt believe in sacrificing armour for full swimming capabilities, simply because bx is not frontline. and the saf is not so stupid to allow bx to swim w/o protection. there will be other elements nearby.
to ST, the main reason why we have armour infantry is not for frontline. it is to offer flexibility. Simply because of our vegetation, sometimes its better for infantry than armoured vehicles. u can have main guns hitting trees.
And ST, if u've seen the inside of merkey and leopard, are u from the saf? i should think so.
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Erm, there are like a kazillion pics on tank interiors on the internet. You dont have to be in armour to actually see stuff like that.
BTW acurara, armour has classified stuff so dont bring them up and blah blah blah you know it best. Even stuff that's "open secret" is not to be said as long as MINDEF stance is they dont exist, they dont exist.
If you work in Div HQ, if i guess correctly where you are from, it doesnt exist either.
PS. There's still plenty of M113s in combat ready condition, if BX arent frontline, i can sit at home and dont go for mob already since i'm M113 trained. FYI, i ord maybe 3 years back and i'm still eagerly waiting to be converted to BX.
The front is very big. BX might not be your front line unit but IFVs are in mine.
4 SM1s / coy arent going to last very long if they go first everywhere that we do.
Unless we bring our gundams.
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Yes i do noe. but i have yet to find the interior of some tanks online, say leopard. heard from ppl who have.
yea i know it has its own classified stuff. which is why cant say too much here.
yup, but sadly i think M113 isnt staying long. if u know what i mean, sure u have heard from ur OCs or COs. a pity. they are quite characteristic and will be missed. yup i believe u will be converted to BX eventually.
haha. oh well, gundams...wait till war ba.
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M113 will be around for another 9 years man. I have new batch of people come in (1-2 years back) and they are still m113 trained.
I'm not giving up my m113 until i'm BX trained. They will have to drag me screaming and kicking until that happens.
Frankly, i cant wait to try the automated cupola, new munitions and 2 man turret and drive and swim.
Ah SG camp all over again....i can only dream.
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ooohh, SG camp? no wonder u said ur M113s were at the frontline. ok i understand.
haha oh well BX while good on the move, is a bit sadistic. 2 man turret is quite cramped and stuffy, esp when fan spoils. i take it u're at least a spec or gunner?
haha oh well the swimming set up is, well, its not hard but it isnt as easy as M113. i rmb looking in envy watching the M113s jus sliding into the water. then the bx crew still doing swimming kit, v sian one
but the rest will be fun. esp driving and shooting. quite cool:) Hopefully u get BXII instead of BXI. BX II is SHIOK man. imagine playing solitaire on the move. and 30mm ammo looks nice too
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And ST, if u've seen the inside of merkey and leopard, are u from the saf? i should think so.
I believe the question as it remains is this: why did you say that merky and leopard use levers to control them? This is simply untrue, and as ridiculus as some other guy in some military forum who gave one of the reasons why the Russian airforce could easily beat the USAF was because the USAF only had 250 planes in TOTAL... which is pure and utter rubbish.
It's important to do your homework before you start talking around in here.
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The way u talk no head no tail
Many qns i posted, u merely repeat ur no head no tail thingy
Most of the pple here duno wat u talking abt oso, isnt it obvious ?
When is the last time you went back for reservist, occifer ?
Mind telling which unit you are formerly from ?
