Singapore jets scrambled to intercept small plane
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5joEoIjN4MI&feature=related
It takes about this long to start up an F-16 cold, and a couple of minutes more to get a good INS alignment depending on the journey. [/url] -
its call testing skynetOriginally posted by Shotgun:Imagine some people want to play punk with us. Every day send a few idiots to fly in without a flight plan. We close our airspace until tulans...
Was the Cessna Nordo?
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It's quite a plan to tie up your resources..Originally posted by Shotgun:Imagine some people want to play punk with us. Every day send a few idiots to fly in without a flight plan. We close our airspace until tulans...
Was the Cessna Nordo?
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scramble jets are differentOriginally posted by Shotgun:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5joEoIjN4MI&feature=related
It takes about this long to start up an F-16 cold, and a couple of minutes more to get a good INS alignment depending on the journey. [/url]
before they start their duties, the pilot will be there early in the morning to do a check start to prepare their aircraft for the scramble(if there's any)
and the switches and knobs are already configured to the necessary settings. So once the anouncement comes for them to scramble, they just need to power up the a/c and they are ready to go..
In this video, it shows that the a/c has not been check started yet and all switches and knobs are not configured yet. -
Yeap. I was trying to make the point that there are fighters "ready" to intercept at any moment's notice. In some cases, jets sit with their engines running and INS fully aligned, just waiting for a pilot and clearance to taxi.Originally posted by monkeybusiness:scramble jets are different
before they start their duties, the pilot will be there early in the morning to do a check start to prepare their aircraft for the scramble(if there's any)
and the switches and knobs are already configured to the necessary settings. So once the anouncement comes for them to scramble, they just need to power up the a/c and they are ready to go..
In this video, it shows that the a/c has not been check started yet and all switches and knobs are not configured yet.
As for powering up the A/C, you'd still need to wait for the INS to align, unless you want to try running that alignment off the EPU. I'm not sure if thats possible. -
good show of air defence
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blind pilot?Originally posted by lionnoisy:Few years ago RSAF sent F5 or A4 to intercept Cessna with a
blind pilot on board.
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in short the term is call QRA (Quick Reaction Alert), 24/7 around the clock standby & armedOriginally posted by monkeybusiness:scramble jets are different
before they start their duties, the pilot will be there early in the morning to do a check start to prepare their aircraft for the scramble(if there's any)
and the switches and knobs are already configured to the necessary settings. So once the anouncement comes for them to scramble, they just need to power up the a/c and they are ready to go..
In this video, it shows that the a/c has not been check started yet and all switches and knobs are not configured yet. -
so, what happened to the pilot? got caned ah?
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actually there's another term used by the squadronOriginally posted by duotiga83:in short the term is call QRA (Quick Reaction Alert), 24/7 around the clock standby & armed -
Dunt take peace for granted!!
23 April 2007.RSAF showcases new networked air defence capability
In power we trust
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hmm.....i gather from the ST news, the path taken by the Cessna passed over part of Peninsula M. Wonder why did'nt the M sent up their Su30 or FA18 to take a peek at the intruder, or were they unaware that a UFO intruded into their airspace??
Or is it M. Boleh? Anybody can suka suka intrude into their airspace without a proper flight plan. Like that, problem mah! hmmm.....
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Singapore FIR covers the entire South China Sea, and some parts of P. Malaysia out of Changi Airport.
Now probably it didn't fly towards Australia or Indonesia as intended, but somehow veered off-course towards Singapore by following the lead of other airlines using the civilian airway G219 for arrival into Singapore. However, it probably didn't file the notices or state where it was headed to unlike the other airlines on the route. -
good point sg couldn't assume that MY will be the first line of air intruders if threats were external from the region.Originally posted by FireAndHell:hmm.....i gather from the ST news, the path taken by the Cessna passed over part of Peninsula M. Wonder why did'nt the M sent up their Su30 or FA18 to take a peek at the intruder, or were they unaware that a UFO intruded into their airspace??
Or is it M. Boleh? Anybody can suka suka intrude into their airspace without a proper flight plan. Like that, problem mah! hmmm..... -
left Changi airport.
middle:Changi East AB.
bottom right hand corner.Changi Naval Base.
google earth open source.dunt report to ISD.pl.
it is good to have AB next to AP!! -
what is it? Alert 15?Originally posted by monkeybusiness:actually there's another term used by the squadron -
Aussies quizzed over Singapore air drama
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January 24, 2008 - 7:52PM
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Two Australians are being questioned by Singapore police after apparently flying a light plane into the country without permission.
A Singapore police spokeswoman said the pair, a pilot and engineer, were assisting with investigations, but were not under arrest.
The investigation is expected to take several days to complete.
Singapore Ministry of Defence said F-16 fighter jets were used to escort the plane to Singapore's Changi Airport on Tuesday night.
"At 6.42pm (2142 AEDT), two Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) F-16 fighters were scrambled to intercept a civilian aircraft, a Cessna 208, which was heading towards Singapore airspace without an approved flight plan," the ministry's director of public affairs, Colonel Darius Lim, said in a statement.
"The aircraft was escorted to land at Singapore Changi Airport.
"The Singapore Police Force is investigating the matter."
Singapore's Straits Times newspaper said commercial air space was locked down for 50 minutes over one of the world's busiest airports, after the incident sparked a major security alert.
The plane had been recently purchased by Mary Cummins, the owner of a West Australian flight adventure company, and had been flown from Thailand, the newspaper said.
Ms Cummins and former Ansett pilot Rhys Thomas own the Horizontal Falls Travel Adventure business in Broome.
Staff at their Broome airport office said Mr Thomas was overseas and Ms Cummins in Brisbane. She did not return calls on Thursday.
The last time the RSAF scrambled its jets was in August 2003, when two Super Skyhawk warplanes intercepted a civilian plane that tried to land at Tengah Air Base.
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Unless we are talking about full-scale war or presence of a very credible threat, there will be NOT be a/c withh engines running just waiting to take off... think if the fuel they will be wasting and the wear of the engines....Originally posted by Shotgun:Yeap. I was trying to make the point that there are fighters "ready" to intercept at any moment's notice. In some cases, jets sit with their engines running and INS fully aligned, just waiting for a pilot and clearance to taxi.
As for powering up the A/C, you'd still need to wait for the INS to align, unless you want to try running that alignment off the EPU. I'm not sure if thats possible.
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Hydrazine isn't exactly a very harmless thing you want to be topping up so often...
Most likely, they'd just start up the jet, align it for a full 8-minutes, and park it and NOT move it. Shut down the jet, and let it keep its INS alignment using the Stored Heading.
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Is it possible that the Malaysian DCA not inform the Singapore DCA about the CESSNA flight plan, when it was reported the plane had already contacted Malaysian DCA from its originating airport at Koh Samui ?
The FPDA arrangement - under the command of a Senior Officer either from Australia, NZ or UK - covers the air defense of Malaysia and Singapore as one network, has there been a breakdown ?
The Star, Nation
Sunday January 27, 2008
Singapore informed by DCA of Cessna flight
PETALING JAYA: The Department of Civil Aviation informed its Singapore counterpart of the flight plan of a Cessna 208 plane, which caused a major security alert at Changi Airport on Tuesday.
Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy said the DCA allowed the plane, which took off from Koh Samui in Thailand to enter Malaysian airspace, as it posed no danger.
“It was just a small plane and we had confirmed that it brought no threat to the country's defence.
“The DCA immediately informed its Singapore counterpart after getting the information from the Thai DCA that the plane was having some problems and needed repairs in Singapore,” he said after attending the memorial service of Prof Dr Wolfgang Franke here yesterday.
Dr Franke, who died in September last year, was a guest professor at the Chinese Faculty, Universiti Malaya where Chan graduated.
It was reported that Singapore scrambled two F-16 fighters to intercept the plane, piloted by two Australians.
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Well frankly, im surprised that they allow a plane to continue flying without a flightplan or comms. They will have detected the plane on civilian radar even if their military ones were scanning at that moment.
Cessna bigger or MKM bigger for RCS? Well i feel better at least.
It's obvious that they didnt comms the plane cause if they did, we would have been able to contact the cessna and have no need to scramble. The cessna's radio was not functioning. I'm very impressed by what they said based on assumption.
By the way, now i know WHY we are so going for stealth. HEHEHEHE. It's a small plane and completely "harmless". It's a small fishing boat, and completely harmless too!!!! -
so... this incident prove whether singapore or malaysia is more efficient ?????
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Any idea why it was diverted to Changi instead of say Seletar? I mean what if it was loaded with explosives and this fellow pretended to comply & at the last minute does a nose dive and KABOOM!!! Massive explosion in the middle of Changi would ruin whatever investor confidence we had.
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Interesting....the Thais said they didnt know where the plane went after it dropped off it's radar net n Singapore didnt know much abt the plane either.....
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starts with A.Originally posted by Shotgun:what is it? Alert 15?