How to instill aggression in average conscript soldier
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Soldiers are trained to fight. Fighting require aggression. So how to instill the aggressive spirit? In SAF, I do not see much structured attempts to instill this vital spirit in the average conscript soldier, besides the few bayonent fighting sessions in BMT and unarmed combat sessions.
Have we gone overboard with TSR? I believe no CO, commanders or PTI would like to answer to a BOI for fatalities suffered during training. I do not want that on my conscience as well. But I don't like the negative views given by my friends who have MR that current NSF in SAF are getting softer with each day eg., conducting officers and specialists falling over each other to rest any soldier that felt discomfort during, say, a 5KM run. I know there have been some cases of fatal collapse in SAF but how else to maintain the fitness level that underpin aggression if you don't push the endurance of the soldier. Maybe, DSO should developed a personal bio-sign monitor for each soldiers. Monitor the vital bios of soldiers when they undertake strenuous tasks/exercises. Take out the guesswork, ye?
Anyway, I digressed. In most armies, unarmed combat are used to instill fighting spirit in soldiers. Seems to make sense for me. What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4or7iAPom_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7PbYJzrSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCR7IZMqnk
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Fighting for FTs has lower a lot of our soldiers moral
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Singapore is generally a soft society.
But since SAF Cdos are drawn from the same pool of Singaporeans, how come they are much more aggressive? If we want that level of agressiveness in all conscript combat troops, then do to them whatever is done with Cdos.
Former PLA friends tell me that the PLA believe a soldier is forged from beatings.
This is also the practice of WW2 Japs, modern Soviet, N & S Koreans etc... -
well, for cdos, they have to go for selection and interview, so they have to be selected first. there is prestige to be in cdos, whether u are there by choice or by force
for normal units, most of the time, they are there due to no choice and often unwilling to be there too.
having said that, i had seen cdos with marksman badge missing 90% of the 100m range with their sar-21.
I will rather prefer quiet soldiers who can shoot well than aggressive soldiers who can't shoot for nuts.
Aggression, imho, is just a facade to others who are looking.
Seen other countries' soldiers before, deep down they are all still soldiers, aggressive behaviour is only shown when their higher management is around, they tend to slack around when there is no camera or high ranking officers nearby
It occurred to me that whether it is a conscript army or professional army, there is no difference if you look beyond the stern facade on display.
If you are a nsman, then you should know by now, despite bulging tummies and LBVs loaded with every kind of snacks, taking off helmets and smoking during movement to contact, when it comes to the main crux(clearing enemies trenches on a hill), i dare say they do it much better and faster than nsfs
That was their 6th ICT if i remember correctly
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Originally posted by BeEtHoVeN:
Sorry, you are either lying or exaggerating, surely.
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having said that, i had seen cdos with marksman badge missing 90% of the 100m range with their sar-21.
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I believe that the best way to instill aggression in an SAF soldier would be to show a video one of our local girls raped by the enemy
Disgusting, but I'd be
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frankly speaking
I believe that the best way to instill aggression in an SAF soldier
would be to tell him that during war,
there will be no aircon, broadband, dota, msn, WOW, KFC ! -
like that show a video of local rape porno with 'aggressor' wearing enemy uniform...Originally posted by Timmay:I believe that the best way to instill aggression in an SAF soldier would be to show a video one of our local girls raped by the enemy
Disgusting, but I'd be enough -
yeah... right.... and malaysian soldier can blowpipe an F-16 at 50,000 feet...Originally posted by BeEtHoVeN:well, for cdos, they have to go for selection and interview, so they have to be selected first. there is prestige to be in cdos, whether u are there by choice or by force
for normal units, most of the time, they are there due to no choice and often unwilling to be there too.
having said that, i had seen cdos with marksman badge missing 90% of the 100m range with their sar-21.
I will rather prefer quiet soldiers who can shoot well than aggressive soldiers who can't shoot for nuts.
Aggression, imho, is just a facade to others who are looking.
Seen other countries' soldiers before, deep down they are all still soldiers, aggressive behaviour is only shown when their higher management is around, they tend to slack around when there is no camera or high ranking officers nearby
It occurred to me that whether it is a conscript army or professional army, there is no difference if you look beyond the stern facade on display.
If you are a nsman, then you should know by now, despite bulging tummies and LBVs loaded with every kind of snacks, taking off helmets and smoking during movement to contact, when it comes to the main crux(clearing enemies trenches on a hill), i dare say they do it much better and faster than nsfs
That was their 6th ICT if i remember correctly -
why you so stupid go and fight for the FT? i just fight for my family.... of course.. its your choice... so.. dont complain lah....Originally posted by maggot:Fighting for FTs has lower a lot of our soldiers moral -
when their father monther wife sons and daughter ends up within the range of their enemy artillery and rockets.... motivation and aggreesion is not a problem... problem is when will upstair push button....Originally posted by aikchongtan:Soldiers are trained to fight. Fighting require aggression. So how to instill the aggressive spirit? In SAF, I do not see much structured attempts to instill this vital spirit in the average conscript soldier, besides the few bayonent fighting sessions in BMT and unarmed combat sessions.
Have we gone overboard with TSR? I believe no CO, commanders or PTI would like to answer to a BOI for fatalities suffered during training. I do not want that on my conscience as well. But I don't like the negative views given by my friends who have MR that current NSF in SAF are getting softer with each day eg., conducting officers and specialists falling over each other to rest any soldier that felt discomfort during, say, a 5KM run. I know there have been some cases of fatal collapse in SAF but how else to maintain the fitness level that underpin aggression if you don't push the endurance of the soldier. Maybe, DSO should developed a personal bio-sign monitor for each soldiers. Monitor the vital bios of soldiers when they undertake strenuous tasks/exercises. Take out the guesswork, ye?
Anyway, I digressed. In most armies, unarmed combat are used to instill fighting spirit in soldiers. Seems to make sense for me. What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4or7iAPom_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7PbYJzrSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCR7IZMqnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGdtn1eSKk -
Simply put, take away what is most precious and they will fight! Man fight for freedom and will always be! Of course, the fight or die is another way! If you make conscripts feel this way even just for a short moment, I assure that you can surely instill aggressive spirits from them !!!Originally posted by aikchongtan:Soldiers are trained to fight. Fighting require aggression. So how to instill the aggressive spirit? In SAF, I do not see much structured attempts to instill this vital spirit in the average conscript soldier, besides the few bayonent fighting sessions in BMT and unarmed combat sessions.
Have we gone overboard with TSR? I believe no CO, commanders or PTI would like to answer to a BOI for fatalities suffered during training. I do not want that on my conscience as well. But I don't like the negative views given by my friends who have MR that current NSF in SAF are getting softer with each day eg., conducting officers and specialists falling over each other to rest any soldier that felt discomfort during, say, a 5KM run. I know there have been some cases of fatal collapse in SAF but how else to maintain the fitness level that underpin aggression if you don't push the endurance of the soldier. Maybe, DSO should developed a personal bio-sign monitor for each soldiers. Monitor the vital bios of soldiers when they undertake strenuous tasks/exercises. Take out the guesswork, ye?
Anyway, I digressed. In most armies, unarmed combat are used to instill fighting spirit in soldiers. Seems to make sense for me. What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4or7iAPom_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7PbYJzrSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCR7IZMqnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGdtn1eSKk -
Aggression for what??Originally posted by aikchongtan:Soldiers are trained to fight. Fighting require aggression. So how to instill the aggressive spirit? In SAF, I do not see much structured attempts to instill this vital spirit in the average conscript soldier, besides the few bayonent fighting sessions in BMT and unarmed combat sessions.
Have we gone overboard with TSR? I believe no CO, commanders or PTI would like to answer to a BOI for fatalities suffered during training. I do not want that on my conscience as well. But I don't like the negative views given by my friends who have MR that current NSF in SAF are getting softer with each day eg., conducting officers and specialists falling over each other to rest any soldier that felt discomfort during, say, a 5KM run. I know there have been some cases of fatal collapse in SAF but how else to maintain the fitness level that underpin aggression if you don't push the endurance of the soldier. Maybe, DSO should developed a personal bio-sign monitor for each soldiers. Monitor the vital bios of soldiers when they undertake strenuous tasks/exercises. Take out the guesswork, ye?
Anyway, I digressed. In most armies, unarmed combat are used to instill fighting spirit in soldiers. Seems to make sense for me. What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4or7iAPom_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7PbYJzrSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dCR7IZMqnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGdtn1eSKk
Imagine that 'enemy' has raped, killed, slaughtered your family?
NS is to prepare you for the worst case scenario, now how to be a psychopath. For example, deadly moves in Karate requires technique and mental training...but they do NOT promote aggression.
It has nothing to do with being 'soft'. -
must inject some genome genes in them.
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Please define "pscychopath" for us". Thanks.Originally posted by nehpyh:Aggression for what??
Imagine that 'enemy' has raped, killed, slaughtered your family?
NS is to prepare you for the worst case scenario, now how to be a psychopath. For example, deadly moves in Karate requires technique and mental training...but they do NOT promote aggression.
It has nothing to do with being 'soft'.
Can you clarify the relationship between a "pscychopath" and "..." for us? Thanks. -
I want calm, thinking and accurate soldiers not aggro meatheads.
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i beg to differ, sometimes a non thinking 'yes sir' soldier who only know to spit bullet and create destruction...become very usefull in war. war is not about push button and point and click ma...its about fear...fearing a standoff weapon is one thin g...fear of being decapitated by a psyco soldier is a huge bonus.
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Sometimes in desperate situations, you need someone to perform some suicidal acts to save the rest and you don't want too much thinking.
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Nah I disagree... it's good to have a soldier that can shoot well and not question orders when it comes to it, but at the end of the day it depends on what kind of balance you strike up. The soldier should not be the kind that questions each and every order but also not the kind to carry out bad orders that would spell disaster just because he was told to do so. I don't see any use for arguing for either extreme (ie. totally independent, thinking soldiers or totally obedient soldiers), it's a matter of balance.
If you read Generation Kill, there are several instances in the Yank army where NCOs stood up to Commissioned ranks because the officers were making bad decisions, or even instances where they defied their superiors. But they always acted in the best interests of their men, and as it turned out they made the right decision. What we need is an army that holds all ranks accountable to each other, and not just "this is what you are told, go do it."
I would certainly trust myself more if the dudes beside me were a lot smarter then if they simply followed all orders without question. Creativity in the battlefield is a great asset, and a grunt that can get the mission done without too much micromanagement from his NCO and commissioned ranks is certainly a very useful thing to have. -
What makes you think that a person who do not question orders is necessarily stupid/unthinking?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Nah I disagree...
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Well, a meathead may not know when to shut up and fire or when to relieve incompetent superiors of command if the latters' orders are in direct opposition of higher command intent.Originally posted by chino65:What makes you think that a person who do not question orders is necessarily stupid/unthinking?
What makes you think every order has to be questioned?