Super Rapid 120mm- Sg or US made?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPvKty6tdPs
The Dragon 120mm Mortar comapred to our 120mm Super Rapid
The US claim they have a break through
and Singapore claim it is self developed
So, which comes first?
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I think abt the same time but they are 2 different system.Originally posted by tek_koh:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPvKty6tdPs
The Dragon 120mm Mortar comapred to our 120mm Super Rapid
The US claim they have a break through
and Singapore claim it is self developed
So, which comes first?
For example , our SRAMS has max rate of fire 18rds per min whereas the Dragon system only 10 rds per min , that is due to STK 's patented cooling system which yield this higher rate of fire.
Our SRAMS also has the world lowest recoil of less than 20tons plus it only weight 1200kg which enable it to be mounted on a very light weight 4x4 like the HUMVEE and Spider LSV.
So can Dragon system or any other mortar system do that?
I dun think so!
http://www.stengg.com/upload/620JKKP6Y94P4nl3aZf.pdf
In fact , based on the above , our SRAMS is much better than the Dragon system. -
Then perhaps we can compete for any possible future contract just like what we did with the BX and Ultimax. Hopefully politics won't prevail over actual capability of the products.Originally posted by gary1910:I think abt the same time but they are 2 different system.
For example , our SRAMS has max rate of fire 18rds per min whereas the Dragon system only 10 rds per min , that is due to STK 's patented cooling system which yield this higher rate of fire.
Our SRAMS also has the world lowest recoil of less than 20tons plus it only weight 1200kg which enable it to be mounted on a very light weight 4x4 like the HUMVEE and Spider LSV.
So can Dragon system or any other mortar system do that?
I dun think so!
http://www.stengg.com/upload/620JKKP6Y94P4nl3aZf.pdf
In fact , based on the above , our SRAMS is much better than the Dragon system. -
AFAIK, SRAMS has already make a sales of 48 system to UAE.Originally posted by tankee1981:Then perhaps we can compete for any possible future contract just like what we did with the BX and Ultimax. Hopefully politics won't prevail over actual capability of the products. -
120mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System (SRAMS).
Can u see the round?---Super 'Cooling' Rapid Advanced Mortar--18 rd/min
Mortar loader,u are fired!This is a automatic mortar with
navigation and position syatem,plus Automatic Fire Control System.
Not a traditional mortar any more.
3 crew can operate it safely from armoured cabin.
SRAMS was fixed in HMMWV 4×4 to suite the demand in Middle East and was exhibited in IDEX 2005 UAE in Feb 2005.
2.
Strait Times in the recent article of 2 women as demonstration shooters
for Ultimax 100 in 1982,reports ST is one of the top producers of
40 grenade launcher..Strengths of our defence capability.pl surf,not bad lah
pl enjoy the video here fr ST -
Unfortunately, STK weapons have not made a single debut on FUTURE WEAPONS. They featured the ordinary LWRC IAR and called it " revolutionary ".
And now the Dragon as if the US invented this? -
they cant afford to fly to Singapore to flim ma
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If only...Originally posted by tek_koh:they cant afford to fly to Singapore to flim ma
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1.can u cal this one future weaponsOriginally posted by Daniel-Lim:Unfortunately, STK weapons have not made a single debut on FUTURE WEAPONS. They featured the ordinary LWRC IAR and called it " revolutionary ".
And now the Dragon as if the US invented this?
designed and made in Singapore
New format.Unlike all other rifle plus grenade launcher like
Christmas tree.
2.LWRC IAR---pl explain.
3.SAR 21 have few features which u cant find in other rifles. -
Youtube video available. Just search for LWRC IAR.Originally posted by lionnoisy:2.LWRC IAR---pl explain. -
its jus propaganda of western military mights..Originally posted by Daniel-Lim:Unfortunately, STK weapons have not made a single debut on FUTURE WEAPONS. They featured the ordinary LWRC IAR and called it " revolutionary ".
And now the Dragon as if the US invented this?
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The Americans are just being patriotic and protectionist. For example, all their military clothing and equipment must be made in US to protect their own textile industries. They will be even more protectionist on their weapons systems. To them, Made in USA=Good, Made in Singapore=Made in China= Bad
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Thanks, thats good news! A little step forward...Originally posted by gary1910:AFAIK, SRAMS has already make a sales of 48 system to UAE.
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This is a US show about military procurement in the US. There is mention of Singapore and our Ultimax SAW! This show will give an idea on why US soldiers are still using the M4(a shortened M16) and why our Ultimax is not chosen.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee9_1190725613 -
the dragon fire dev started in 1997...so the SRAMS start when?
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it not who started first that count.. but who finished the development first thats important....Originally posted by tankfanatic:the dragon fire dev started in 1997...so the SRAMS start when?
the germans started the rocket... but its the americans that landed on the moon.
but frankly..i have no idea when SRAMS started development... afterall... since when did DSTA and DSO ever announce all the project in public?
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Actually I feel that this program quite pro-US.. so not surprizing that they only featured their own home made stuffs..Originally posted by Daniel-Lim:Unfortunately, STK weapons have not made a single debut on FUTURE WEAPONS. They featured the ordinary LWRC IAR and called it " revolutionary ".
And now the Dragon as if the US invented this? -
because the show is made in USA by USA crew intended for the USA market.
But, discovery choose to braodcast it over their other channels. -
The SRAM can do MRSI?
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ok so who finish first?Originally posted by tripwire:it not who started first that count.. but who finished the development first thats important....
the germans started the rocket... but its the americans that landed on the moon.
but frankly..i have no idea when SRAMS started development... afterall... since when did DSTA and DSO ever announce all the project in public? -
anyway the dragon fire were fully autonomous and automatic...while the SRAM were semi auto ...please correct me if im wrong.
while the SRAM were clocked to have a maximum 18 round per minutes....it is quoted somewhere (i think in wiki) that 10 round is the correct number...the 18 round record can only be achieve in a sustained firing . (correct me again if im wrong) -
Fully automatic , so what?Originally posted by tankfanatic:anyway the dragon fire were fully autonomous and automatic...while the SRAM were semi auto ...please correct me if im wrong.
while the SRAM were clocked to have a maximum 18 round per minutes....it is quoted somewhere (i think in wiki) that 10 round is the correct number...the 18 round record can only be achieve in a sustained firing . (correct me again if im wrong)
Does it improve the rate of fire ?
Rate of fire is dependent on the barrel ability to withstand the heat generated during firing w/o being damaged, so with full auto w/o improving the rate of fire is totally waste of money!!!
Not only that, you still need to maintain the automated system!!!
So with at max rate of fire at 10 rds per min which the burst rate which could only be sustained for only 2 min, i.e. 6 sec per rd for 2 mins , which could be easily handled manually , so why bother to have fully automatic !!!
It is better to have system that could be more quickly deployed, for example the lightest Dragon system is to be towed by a HUMVEE, whereas our SRAMS could be mounted on the HUMVEE and fire directly from there, so it should has much faster deployment!!!
Let me enlighten you abt what is burst rate and what is sustained rate of fire,
Burst rate is max rate of fire which could be sustained for only a min or 2.
Sustained rate of fire could be sustained for much more longer but with much lower rate than the burst rate.
Dragon Fire, max(burst) rate is only 10 rds per min for max of 2mins,
Sustained rate is only 4 rds per min.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Fire_(mortar)
As for SRAMS, max(burst) rate is 18 rds per min
And the sustained rate is abt 10 rds per min
http://www.stengg.com/upload/620JKKP6Y94P4nl3aZf.pdf -
The SRAMS brochure is very strange. In the first part, they quote 10rdm then in the later part where they list the specification, it is listed as 18rdm.Originally posted by tankfanatic:anyway the dragon fire were fully autonomous and automatic...while the SRAM were semi auto ...please correct me if im wrong.
while the SRAM were clocked to have a maximum 18 round per minutes....it is quoted somewhere (i think in wiki) that 10 round is the correct number...the 18 round record can only be achieve in a sustained firing . (correct me again if im wrong) -
Psssh... They should come over and film our one...
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so which came out first the dragon fire or the SRAM.
thanks gary