Discuss ways to attack and defend singapore
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plausible....war without waging a battle...Originally posted by rooki:- Cut/reduce water supply to SG under pretext of drought/global warming.
- Plead with international community, at the same time inciting SG to war.
- When SG launches pre-emptive strike, whine at the UN about casualties and press for sanctions.
- At the same time, sow discord between SGeans, foreigners, and government via agents.
- Sit back and watch. -
There's a reason why there are Singaporeans on closed-door policy organisations like the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.
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Care to elaborate more about these organisations?Originally posted by LazerLordz:There's a reason why there are Singaporeans on closed-door policy organisations like the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.
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Originally posted by tankee1981:Care to elaborate more about these organisations?
http://www.trilateral.org/about.htm
http://www.cfr.org/index.html -
care to elaborate your 1 hour battle plan?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Singapore can be overrunned in an hour however it's going to give whatever country who did it a real bad international rep. -
1.SG has a water storage for 100 days consumption---as recorded in Hansard.Originally posted by rooki:- Cut/reduce water supply to SG under pretext of drought/global warming.
- Plead with international community, at the same time inciting SG to war.
- When SG launches pre-emptive strike, whine at the UN about casualties and press for sanctions.
- At the same time, sow discord between SGeans, foreigners, and government via agents.
- Sit back and watch.
10 years ago,ONLY HALF OF water come from MY>>>a fact few people know.
With increasing catchment(increase from currently 50 % of land area
to two --third in 2013),the dependence on MY will decrease.
Lets say no more water come from north,we still can survive for 100 days.
Lets say during the 100 days,normal rainfall will give us 50 days of consumption.
But i assume 30 days.We will have water for 130 days.
2.But trust me,SG will not wait for more than one week to take \
control of water in JB which have many weeks of supply.
Like LKY told Dr M,SG will advance if water cut off.
The Water Agreements are binding contracts which are
registered in UN...
Dunt play play...
SG put storm water under fly over,like this one in overseas,
to store water tempoarily and avoid flooding. -
Your reply sound as though you're very learnt, but you're not.Originally posted by dxdx:well the main reason why singapore has taken a diplomatic stance in international relations is simply because we can never ever handle a war.
even if we, miraculously, win it ( in the sense that we successfully defend our lands from invaders), in the long run we lose out due to our limited land capacity and obvious lack of funds to rebuilt (assuming limited foreign aid).
hypothetically, if a war should ever occur, our best bet would be to rely on our diplomatic relations to rally support from other cts ( eg asean, un peharps).
ironically, as much as we try to rely on ourselves all these years after the japanese occupation, we're still very much dependent on others now.
Diplomacy works with deterrence. Our diplomacy policy is not a yes-yes-please-do-not-attack kind. It is the kind...we want peace, we are interested to help each other, but if you want to be funny, I'll make u pay.
Singapore's defence policy has NEVER been dependent on rallying support from anybody, not even the US. The US's presence is welcomed, to counter and balance other superpower's influence and ideology, but is NOT a defence-support factor at all.
In MINDEF's doctrine, it has never ever considered rallying help or "tahan" until someone come and rescue...its never been like that - as proven by why we took NS as a top nation-building priority even when our country was poor, we knew we could not rely on anybody.
Take a look at the defence build up, take a look comparatively, why we maintain a numerical, technological and capability, in multiples of superiority, not just a minor edge...because it is designed to crush any adversary totally.
Think about why we showcase our weapons, technology and why ministers make certain speeches and publicise that we're a deterrent force, but also a decisive force which will not hesitate to 'defend' (actually attack).
Think about it...u'll realise ur diplomacy-shit is ignorant and foolish, and inconsistent with real life facts.
It is also not true that we're not capable....you do not know what u're talking about...
I'm not saying this in hyper-patriotic mode, but as a matter of fact, many of us here who serve in certain units and vocations have seen the SAF in actual rehearsed exercise, that we're more than capable of a full-scale, combined arms, combined-service war, not in defence mode, but in full-scale assault and we're well-rehearsed and very ready...more ready than our potential adversaries.
Again think about our mobilisation - proven, we can mobilise more troops faster and arm/equip them real fast. Hardware - numerical and technological advantage. Communications, Command, Control, Weapon systems - everything more than capable.
Think again...u think we spend money just to "tahan" and wait for rescue? Use ur brain. -
Do you really think that the world will stand idly by while Singapore launches a pre-emptive strike? Repeat after me: Instability. And. War. Are. Not. Good. For. Trade. And. International. Relations.Originally posted by lionnoisy:*snip*Originally posted by specialOps:I'm not saying this in hyper-patriotic mode, but as a matter of fact, many of us here who serve in certain units and vocations have seen the SAF in actual rehearsed exercise, that we're more than capable of a full-scale, combined arms, combined-service war, not in defence mode, but in full-scale assault and we're well-rehearsed and very ready...more ready than our potential adversaries.
Those who have seen the SAF in actual rehearsed exercises will realise that no amount of practice will stop the SAF from screwing up the first time. And in war, there's no second time. -
perhaps having this line of thought of "singapore will not be able to tahan a war" can be argued to be realistic thinking (though i personally do not think so)
but if our NSF's and regulars have this kind of thinking, how do we even fight if (touch wood) war comes?
isn't the battle already lost?
and i know this thread is purely for discussion but in war there are many factors to think militarily, geograpically, even i dare say natural disruptions, ie (mongolian invasion of japan, where whole fleets where wiped out by hurricanes)
there is an immense scope of stuff we cannont by ourselves think out and phantom or forsee, i think its pointless in a way to say "oh country x will win, blah blah blah"
im not saying to close this thread and thats it, but please remember do not be so sure of an outcome our country in war, the only sure way to know is to be actually embroilled in one. and to lose or win. -
there is a way .....Originally posted by Arapahoe:care to elaborate your 1 hour battle plan?
first their ambassador will flash his diplomatic passport...at the woodland checkpoint...
then their ambassador will strip naked to avoid custom check...
and then run all over (overrun) singapore bare naked while holding malaysia's diplomatic immunity passport over his dick. -
1.. cutting water to singapore is no threat to us.... we are well prepared for that eventuality even if malaysia are still in slumber land.Originally posted by rooki:- Cut/reduce water supply to SG under pretext of drought/global warming.
- Plead with international community, at the same time inciting SG to war.
- When SG launches pre-emptive strike, whine at the UN about casualties and press for sanctions.
- At the same time, sow discord between SGeans, foreigners, and government via agents.
- Sit back and watch.
2. you can plead with international community.... and incite SG to war at the same time??
.... wont work lah... unless the international community leaders have peanut size brain like yours.... fat chance trying to pull the wool over so many leaders..... and do you seriously expect singapore to just sit back and do nothing??
3. when SG do launch a pre-emptive strike... you can be damn sure that we got big backers behind us... and if you are expecting the UN peacekeepers to come save your sorry ass.... you need to get some serious reality check.
4. sowing discord between SG and foreigners via agents? right.... the world is full of idiots... only you very the smart!! -
do you really think that the world will come to save malaysia's backside if singapore do launch a pre-emptive strike? repeat after me.... malaysia leh! who give a big F if they disappear tomolo.....Originally posted by rooki:Do you really think that the world will stand idly by while Singapore launches a pre-emptive strike? Repeat after me: Instability. And. War. Are. Not. Good. For. Trade. And. International. Relations.
Those who have seen the SAF in actual rehearsed exercises will realise that no amount of practice will stop the SAF from screwing up the first time. And in war, there's no second time.
those who have seen the MAF.... will just roll over laugh and laugh..... -
how can the battle be already lost because of afew stupid di.ck? every army must have afew mah.... its only logical.Originally posted by Nuad:perhaps having this line of thought of "singapore will not be able to tahan a war" can be argued to be realistic thinking (though i personally do not think so)
but if our NSF's and regulars have this kind of thinking, how do we even fight if (touch wood) war comes?
isn't the battle already lost?
and i know this thread is purely for discussion but in war there are many factors to think militarily, geograpically, even i dare say natural disruptions, ie (mongolian invasion of japan, where whole fleets where wiped out by hurricanes)
there is an immense scope of stuff we cannont by ourselves think out and phantom or forsee, i think its pointless in a way to say "oh country x will win, blah blah blah"
im not saying to close this thread and thats it, but please remember do not be so sure of an outcome our country in war, the only sure way to know is to be actually embroilled in one. and to lose or win.
do you think that singapore is finished because there are some criminals among us? -
When the SAF strike, the world would not be standling idly by, they would be busy supporting us in many different ways. All flights over the war zone would be suspended, ships diverted. When our enemy complained, the UN would convene an emergency session and call for both sides to cool down. In the mean time, while the SAF anniliate our enemy's fighting forces and its ability to build up future fighting forces, the american, the australian and the Thai might want to take this opportunity to wipe out the terrorists training camps in our enemy territory. When all are done, we will heed the call to cease fire by the UN. Trade resumes, international relationships strengthened.Originally posted by rooki:Do you really think that the world will stand idly by while Singapore launches a pre-emptive strike? Repeat after me: Instability. And. War. Are. Not. Good. For. Trade. And. International. Relations.
Those who have seen the SAF in actual rehearsed exercises will realise that no amount of practice will stop the SAF from screwing up the first time. And in war, there's no second time.
Back in the UN, we would want our enemy to repeat after us, before the world:" Singapore is a peaceful country, don't force it to go to war."
Indeed, that would be the first time, the second time we would change the name of the country to Singapore.
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Originally posted by tripwire:1.. cutting water to singapore is no threat to us.... we are well prepared for that eventuality even if malaysia are still in slumber land.
2. you can plead with international community.... and incite SG to war at the same time??
.... wont work lah... unless the international community leaders have peanut size brain like yours.... fat chance trying to pull the wool over so many leaders..... and do you seriously expect singapore to just sit back and do nothing??
3. when SG do launch a pre-emptive strike... you can be damn sure that we got big backers behind us... and if you are expecting the UN peacekeepers to come save your sorry ass.... you need to get some serious reality check.
4. sowing discord between SG and foreigners via agents? right.... the world is full of idiots... only you very the smart!!
Obviously you have no idea how politicians work. Your misguided belief in Singapore's superiority is hilarious.
Well, there's no reason the world will give a big F to Singapore too vis-a-vis Malaysia. Singapore leh! Small 600km^2 RED DOT!Originally posted by tripwire:do you really think that the world will come to save malaysia's backside if singapore do launch a pre-emptive strike? repeat after me.... malaysia leh! who give a big F if they disappear tomolo.....
those who have seen the MAF.... will just roll over laugh and laugh.....
At least Malaysia exports palm oil, the biodiesel fuel of the future. What does Singapore have? Shiny buildings and fancy air/seaports? -
everyone knows...that malaysia politician are well known liers.... how can we dont know?Originally posted by rooki:Obviously you have no idea how politicians work. Your misguided belief in Singapore's superiority is hilarious.
Well, there's no reason the world will give a big F to Singapore too vis-a-vis Malaysia. Singapore leh! Small 600km^2 RED DOT!
At least Malaysia exports palm oil, the biodiesel fuel of the future. What does Singapore have? Shiny buildings and fancy air/seaports?
but if your politicians lying is gonna work... on the rest of the world as it does on gullible malaysians under their thumbs... you need to go and have your head check again....
we are a little red dot.... which signifies our value and relative importance against the worthless background of green and blue....
so what if malaysia export palm oil?? very important meh???....other then palm oil... there are lots of other vegetable oil... like soya bean oil... coconut oil..... sunflower oil...... canola oil.... maize oil... rice oil.... olive oil.....
since when did vegetable seller become so important??
singapore leh... 700 KM^2leh.... (not 600... you freaking still in the 80's)... the upcoming largest biofuel producer in the world leh! -
Originally posted by tripwire:everyone knows...that malaysia politician are well known liers.... how can we dont know?
but if your politicians lying is gonna work... on the rest of the world as it does on gullible malaysians under their thumbs... you need to go and have your head check again....
we are a little red dot.... which signifies our value and relative importance against the worthless background of green and blue....
so what if malaysia export palm oil?? very important meh???....other then palm oil... there are lots of other vegetable oil... like soya bean oil... coconut oil..... sunflower oil...... canola oil.... maize oil... rice oil.... olive oil.....
since when did vegetable seller become so important??
singapore leh... 700 KM^2leh.... (not 600... you freaking still in the 80's)... the upcoming largest biofuel producer in the world leh!
There, fixed. I pray for your safety from the monsters of Pot and Kettle.
everyone knows...that Singaporean politicians are well known liars.... how can we dont know?
but if your politicians lying is gonna work... on the rest of the world as it does on gullible Singaporeans under their thumbs... you need to go and have your head check again....
'Vegetable sellers' eh? If i were you, I'd never step foot in Malaysia again.
And people wonder why Singaporeans are such targets for crime in jb... -
last time when i was in army.. i remember our we joked about if we were having war with malaysia..
the best strategy, is the send pigs into malaysia, as our enemies become unclean by touching these pigs... they will run or start kneeling down to pray for forgiveness and we will shoot them..
it is suppose to be a joke... dun get angry k.. -
you pretty good at lying and twisting other people's words..... you have big potential to be a malaysian politician....Originally posted by rooki:There, fixed. I pray for your safety from the monsters of Pot and Kettle.
'Vegetable sellers' eh? If i were you, I'd never step foot in Malaysia again.
And people wonder why Singaporeans are such targets for crime in jb...
unfortunately you lack the intelligience to understand that criminals... .dont give a damn about loyalty... in fact... i think the criminals have more brain than you will ever have.....
their only motivation is money.... obviously the basic knowledge that singapore dollar are worth more then twice the ringgit.... alone is more then sufficient reason.
vegetable seller..... nothing disgraceful about it wat..... its honest job leh.
step foot in malaysia? i have been stepping on malaysia everyday just in case you didnt realize....!! -
And what's so special about Malaysian politicians that differentiates them from Singaporean ones? Please, get your head outta your ass and your ass off the ST. Singaporean politicians are equally, if not more fcuked-up, then their Malaysian counterparts.Originally posted by tripwire:you pretty good at lying and twisting other people's words..... you have big potential to be a malaysian politician....
unfortunately you lack the intelligience to understand that criminals... .dont give a damn about loyalty... in fact... i think the criminals have more brain than you will ever have.....
their only motivation is money.... obviously the basic knowledge that singapore dollar are worth more then twice the ringgit.... alone is more then sufficient reason.
vegetable seller..... nothing disgraceful about it wat..... its honest job leh.
step foot in malaysia? i have been stepping on malaysia everyday just in case you didnt realize....!!
And who are you to understand Malaysian criminals anyway? Are you one yourself? -
This discussion has obviously degenerated into a "my-dad-can-beat-your-dad" kind of thing.
LOOKING AT IT WITH A TAD BIT of COMMON SENSE, it is plainly obvious that the world is not going to stand by and allow south east asia to be destabilized, not especially when two asian tigers start messing around with each other.
Also, those who think that the SAF is a paper tiger really ought to get their minds checked out properly, this is an army that can fight... the same goes for the MAF actually. In a fight, these two armies are going to be able to dish out a lot of punishment on each other and I seriously doubt it will be a walkover on either side.
There is no doubt that the SAF is not going to fight any war on Singapore soil and is going to take the fight to any enemy... but supposing that enemy turns out to be the MAF, it's not going to be a cakewalk, but it's another thing to say that the SAF is just going to screw up everything totally... I don't really think either side is that incompetent.
My guess is, the SAF will make some gains in the opening moves of any conflict, but if the conflict drags on it eventually going to become a stalemate. The SAF will use technology and rapid warfare as their force multipliers while the MAF will use local knowledge of the land as well as delaying actions to erode the SAF's technological advantage and take the momentum out of the fight from their enemy.
All in all it's actually a pretty even, and interesting match. -
thankfully i am not malaysian... thus even less probable a malaysian criminal...Originally posted by rooki:And what's so special about Malaysian politicians that differentiates them from Singaporean ones? Please, get your head outta your ass and your ass off the ST. Singaporean politicians are equally, if not more fcuked-up, then their Malaysian counterparts.
And who are you to understand Malaysian criminals anyway? Are you one yourself?
however..... even a malaysian criminal is more fortunate then one such as you who cant even tell the difference between singapore and malaysian politicians.... -
its far from even.... there are tons of reasons i can cite.... but the one that really take the icing on the cake are the very malaysian politicians themselves..... who pocket half of their defence budget into their own pocket... the left overs are then subdivided among their goons....Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:This discussion has obviously degenerated into a "my-dad-can-beat-your-dad" kind of thing.
LOOKING AT IT WITH A TAD BIT of COMMON SENSE, it is plainly obvious that the world is not going to stand by and allow south east asia to be destabilized, not especially when two asian tigers start messing around with each other.
Also, those who think that the SAF is a paper tiger really ought to get their minds checked out properly, this is an army that can fight... the same goes for the MAF actually. In a fight, these two armies are going to be able to dish out a lot of punishment on each other and I seriously doubt it will be a walkover on either side.
There is no doubt that the SAF is not going to fight any war on Singapore soil and is going to take the fight to any enemy... but supposing that enemy turns out to be the MAF, it's not going to be a cakewalk, but it's another thing to say that the SAF is just going to screw up everything totally... I don't really think either side is that incompetent.
My guess is, the SAF will make some gains in the opening moves of any conflict, but if the conflict drags on it eventually going to become a stalemate. The SAF will use technology and rapid warfare as their force multipliers while the MAF will use local knowledge of the land as well as delaying actions to erode the SAF's technological advantage and take the momentum out of the fight from their enemy.
All in all it's actually a pretty even, and interesting match.
which is good for us.... of course.
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...who pays the soldiers their salaries, their housing, living and training costs?Originally posted by tripwire:its far from even.... there are tons of reasons i can cite.... but the one that really take the icing on the cake are the very malaysian politicians themselves..... who pocket half of their defence budget into their own pocket... the left overs are then subdivided among their goons....
which is good for us.... of course. 
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What is the difference anyway? Both of them are human beings who wield power over their respective countries. Or are you saying you really believe in the bull that is the ST saying Singapore ministers are on-so-incorruptible-but-only-if-paid-astronomical-salaries?Originally posted by tripwire:thankfully i am not malaysian... thus even less probable a malaysian criminal...
however..... even a malaysian criminal is more fortunate then one such as you who cant even tell the difference between singapore and malaysian politicians....
Please. At least Singapore Tyrannosaur has acknowledged the parity of the SAF and MAF, unlike you who seem stuck in the well of propaganda still shouting
RAWR SINGAPOUR FTW!!!!111one
