Discuss ways to attack and defend singapore
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To effectively defeat Singapore, look further than her arm forces. While true that in a war you have to beat the arm forces, in Singapore's case, it may not be true at all.
Cutting off our supplies may work... but as Singaporeans are known for being kiasu... you won't know where we stockpile things somewhere else... a more effective way is find out where we stockpile those stuffs and remove it.
Lastly, break all communications. Singapore's Total Defence strategy works when communications aren't broken. Break that, you will break the people's confidence + arm forces way of communications to the citizens.
Oh... and to win... flatten any buildings you see with the Yellow Triangle that SCDF puts up. This one is a real gold for the enemies. -
Originally posted by specialOps:
Haha...true. Those that commented are probably not in any real position of power
hhaa this is a funny thread...because those who really know can't speak, those who speak are talking crap.
i am beginning to suspect who this ray is....his questions are strange.
Reading this (ray243) comments in other threads suggests that s/he thinks a war is as simple as a game of RTS.Originally posted by NewAge:
C, K, J might not due to long standing rivalry between their navies. Each have over 100 ships deployed as deterence against each other, and I dont see that changing in short term.
Other trade routes sure but are u paying for the increase in transportation cost? Are u taking the responsibility of the reduce in profit?
Lets just assume u are M.
I will just send troops to johor and down to KL (by doing this i secure my food and water supply).
Send a fleet to intercept yr ships in MOS while requesting reinforcements from I.
Form an alliance with China, Vietnam, Japan Australia n Korea to form a pincer attack with yr fleet in the south china see.
So left A and V, which is still a serious threat to M.
Yes, as with common sense we will be sending troops into their country, but since the enemy is blockading us, surely they would have prepared themselves for this?
Also, I believe "I" will benefit in the short run from the closure of MOS. The next free waterway into Asia will be Sunda Strait.Originally posted by maurizio13
Yup. Thats why my Enemy Mission 1 is a Naval Blockade. Time is definitely on our Enemies side in the region.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
Nice one...Breaking the Total Defence Strategy. I think that TD strategy only looks nice on paper though. Cant really see it work effectively during wartime.
But I dont think our communications can be broken so easily though, coz most of the cables and lines are all placedunderground. Destroying the above-ground centres is possible though. -
Ya... tat will give an excuse for americians to step in...Originally posted by abao:Okay, I start the ball rolling.
Enemy Mission I - Naval Blockade of Singapore
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1. Mine the Straits of Malacca such that it will take years to fully minesweep the area
2. Close Sunda Strait to Singapore Traffic
3. Establish a Fleet in Being in at least 3 ports facing the South China Sea
4. Establish a Fleet in Being in at least 3 ports on the Java Sea
Care to counter that?
Strait of Malacca is a very important international route -
Well... there r many ways to attack Singapore...
But I guess the first step to attack Singapore is to build up their own country... Or else, ways to attack Singapore is really limited lor... There is not much to talk about... And perhaps, if Singapore's neighbouring countries strenghten up themself till great economic and military influrence in the region, it is not difficult to let Singapore submit to them without a fight.... -
1.) Both Singapore and Indonesia (the nearest country to SOM) will not give u a chance to fully mine the Malacca straits.
2.) The countries that i list out will surely attack u for what u are doing is destroying their life line. Past grudges can always be settled latter but u destroying my economy means that u are their no. 1 enemy. Dont forget countries might actually take this chance to flew their military might.
3.) Bombing of Singapore will be stupid thanks to various foreigners located in Singapore. U can only ignore that if u have an alliance and that might mean WW3. Singapore have a small airspace so defending will be rather easy however u are also able to mount a massive offensive at the airbases. Thanks to Aus, majority of our fighters are not located locally therefore u can never destroy all our fighters.
4.) U might blockade the causeway but to do that u need to move a huge amount of troops which can be easily spotted. I will surely launch a preemptive strike by sending the guards and 1 batallion of infantry and Armour directly to KL while the rest secure J and even M if possible. I will only secure the cities and pipe lines. An offensive will also be launch at the nearest airbase.
5.) Get a UN resolution on M. -
That's why Singapore cannot just maintain the troops in Singapore and defend the sea lanes, because if the sea lanes are threatened our trade will be affected. Enemy could play hit and run naval blockade, as long as there is a threat to ships, no ships will travel here.Originally posted by abao:Yup. Thats why my Enemy Mission 1 is a Naval Blockade. Time is definitely on our Enemies side in the region.
To really stop the naval blockade, you need to launch an offensive into the enemy's territory. Then we have to look at who the potential enemy is, geographical locations as to the type of military installations situated there and the regions boost to our long term strategic defence against that enemy.
Then again, the straits of malacca is vital to global trade, so not many countries would want to see a war happen here. -
Terrorist alert!
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*yawn*
If you guys are so bored try using the non master hand. -
Please...I know war isn't as simple as a game of RTS.Originally posted by abao:Haha...true. Those that commented are probably not in any real position of power
Reading this (ray243) comments in other threads suggests that s/he thinks a war is as simple as a game of RTS.
But the problem is this is a military NUTS forum...there is no reason we need to be sane right? -
Originally posted by ray243:
Also depends on whether the enemy is willing to sacrifice in order to gain the land or wipe Singapore out of existence from world map.
Please...I know war isn't as simple as a game of RTS.
But the problem is this is a military [b]NUTS forum...there is no reaseon we need to be sane right? [/b] -
Although the forum is named Military Nuts, its still advisable to exercise some levels of sanity, otherwise, whichever thread is started can be closed by just 1 word: nukesOriginally posted by ray243:But the problem is this is a military NUTS forum...there is no reaseon we need to be sane right? 
Then there's no room for discussion in the first place. -
Dumb Dumb dumb !!!!Originally posted by abao:Okay, I start the ball rolling.
Enemy Mission I - Naval Blockade of Singapore
====================
1. Mine the Straits of Malacca such that it will take years to fully minesweep the area
2. Close Sunda Strait to Singapore Traffic
3. Establish a Fleet in Being in at least 3 ports facing the South China Sea
4. Establish a Fleet in Being in at least 3 ports on the Java Sea
Care to counter that?
Mine the straits of malacca ? Hello singapore got 4 minesweepers also some new technology - they can easily clear the straits !!!
Establish a fleet ? with what - a fleet of sampans is it ? -
Thanks for the flak. Proves that I have much more to learn.Originally posted by storywolf:Dumb Dumb dumb !!!!
Mine the straits of malacca ? Hello singapore got 4 minesweepers also some new technology - they can easily clear the straits !!!
Establish a fleet ? with what - a fleet of sampans is it ?Wikipedia:
Yes, we have minesweepers with modern technology. But I dont believe 4 minesweepers can clear an entire Strait in days or weeks.
The cost of producing and laying a mine is usually anywhere from 0.5% to 10% of the cost to remove it, and it can take up to 200 times as long to clear a minefield as to lay it. Parts of some World War II minefields still exist, because they are too spread out and expensive to clear—and theoretically, some of these mines might stay active for hundreds of years.Wikipedia:
Keep old but battle worthy ships in the harbours. Of course not sampans lar. Something like 1 LST, 3 DD and 3 Missile Gunboats for per fleet in the region. Put it in port and allocate adeqate AA defense and Air Cover to prevent air strike.
In naval warfare, a fleet in being is a naval force that extends a controlling influence without ever leaving port. Were the fleet to leave port and face the enemy, it might lose in battle and no longer influence the enemy's actions, but by simply remaining safely in port the enemy is forced to continually deploy forces to guard against it. A fleet in being can be part of a sea denial doctrine but not one of sea control -
To attack Singapore, I'll go with the Biowarfare Anthrax, Ebola strains and/or Sarin attack. Delivery the pay load over Singapore Land using UAV.
Leads to panic within the citizens, low morale in army. And till one point that army personnel is required to assist in civilian, this is when they'll be low in defense.
Next I'll deploy E-bomb using EMP to disable all electronic equipment within the area of Singapore. This will cause communication breakdown. Affects the aircrafts, radar, etc.
Concurrently, I'll sent Tomahawk Long Range Missiles to eliminate the Navy defenses, key command buildings and Infrastructures of Singapore.
Next I'll sent in a Squadron of Aircrafts to eliminate military planes on the ground.
Then I'll sent leaflets by planes, this is propaganda.. Affecting the morale of citizens and military servant.
Lastly, I'll open a channel for Singapore to admit defeat. -
Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:
You do know that to generate an EMP field large and powerful enough to knock out electronics in Singapore, the blast is probably big enough to flatten Singapore already. Moreover, I believe that most critical electronics are already hardened against EMP so would have minimal to no effect on them. And lastly, there currently isn't a viable air-deliverable EMP device yet due to the size of the damn thing.
To attack Singapore, I'll go with the Biowarfare Anthrax, Ebola strains and/or Sarin attack. Delivery the pay load over Singapore Land using UAV. Leads to panic within the citizens, low morale in army. And till one point that army personnel is required to assist in civilian, this is when they'll be low in defense.
[b]Next I'll deploy E-bomb using EMP to disable all electronic equipment within the area of Singapore. This will cause communication breakdown. Affects the aircrafts, radar, etc.
Concurrently, I'll sent Tomahawk Long Range Missiles to eliminate the Navy defenses, key command buildings and Infrastructures of Singapore.
Next I'll sent in a Squadron of Aircrafts to eliminate military planes on the ground.
Then I'll sent leaflets by planes, this is propaganda.. Affecting the morale of citizens and military servant.
Lastly, I'll open a channel for Singapore to admit defeat. [/b]
As to using biowarfare, are you use you want to do that? Considering how damn virulent those things are, they might just spread and hit your own guys. -
Wah! mayi, you also come here n post ah? LOL.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:To effectively defeat Singapore, look further than her arm forces. While true that in a war you have to beat the arm forces, in Singapore's case, it may not be true at all.
Cutting off our supplies may work... but as Singaporeans are known for being kiasu... you won't know where we stockpile things somewhere else... a more effective way is find out where we stockpile those stuffs and remove it.
Lastly, break all communications. Singapore's Total Defence strategy works when communications aren't broken. Break that, you will break the people's confidence + arm forces way of communications to the citizens.
Oh... and to win... flatten any buildings you see with the Yellow Triangle that SCDF puts up. This one is a real gold for the enemies.
Singapore's vulnerability has also been developed into one of the key strengths.
Firstly, Sieging Singapore would require control of the seas, and air. Both the RSN and the RSAF are one of the best equipped and exposed in the region.
Without first taking control of the Seas, and Air, an enemy attacking us down from the peninsular will find themselves in turn vulnerable to coast hook manuevers, that would cut off their own supply routes down south.
Until they nullify Singapore's control of the Sea and Air, things will not look pretty for them. -
National unity, according to the art of war,is essential for victories.
Singapore got no such unity because we have no history to be proud of and our loyalties suck ,probably worst in asia.
However,we need to score full victory which is not direct arms confrontation to defend or attack singapore.
We may need to use spies in so called "pre-emptive" strike to stir up trouble in their government ,military and people (racial issues)and once the country that we supposed would be our enemy is in chaos,we own but may have serious side effects though.............. -
hope this is not another brain pick excerise? anyway are there any computer war game that use Asia as a theatre of operation that would make a good christmas gift?Originally posted by ray243:The whole point of this topic is...for the members to play 'generals' in a way.
One side would discuss any possible way for the enemy to attack singapore.
The other side will counter back with arguments on how to achieve victory or defend singapore.
Think like your enemy before making your move...
If people is interested...maybe someone can start a scenario and see how the 'debate war' goes.
A game of chess if you will. -
Yup, the TD strategy looks nice on paper, but it's also the best one if it could be done in real life. It's pretty well-rounded. With a strong force and the cooperation of the people, the enemies will find Singapore hard to break.Originally posted by abao:Nice one...Breaking the Total Defence Strategy. I think that TD strategy only looks nice on paper though. Cant really see it work effectively during wartime.
But I dont think our communications can be broken so easily though, coz most of the cables and lines are all placedunderground. Destroying the above-ground centres is possible though.
One major weakness of TD is the reliance on people. Everybody has a major part to play in TD, like it or not.
Destroying above ground communications centres is definitely possible... and as I've said... just flatten all those buildings with Yellow Triangle... most of them are shelter for us in case of bombing attacks. Flatten those, we are basically left with HDB flats and private houses.
How long could those last? Not very long in my opinion. Our buildings are built to withstand earthquake tremors, but with enough explosives, one whole flat can go down.
And given the fact that most Singaporeans don't pay attention to suspicious bags and what nots... it makes the job even easier.
Condos may stay alive due to foreigners here, but even that is not guaranteed.
Well... underground cables may be harder to damage, but I figure they won't do so. Communications are essential in any warfare. Enemies would prefer to know our plans and defeat us in that, before removing any forms of communications from us.
Nah... I just come along and post everywhere if it's interesting...Originally posted by Shotgun:Wah! mayi, you also come here n post ah? LOL.
I would agree that Singapore's vulnerability is also her key strength... but in bad times... everything is possible. -
Ultimately, it is the fortitude of the people.
In other words, what are we made of?
The Brits' BEF in france were nearly destroyed barely managing to escape via Dunkirk.
Same goes for nearly all the major combatants all through the war - fighting back despite setbacks.
In war, it is a battle of will besides weapons.
Singapore can have all sorts of nice weapons and plans etc, but do we have the will to fight back even if everything look bleak? -
Guys don't you realize that your indigenous water can't serve a 5 million people population that is you guys are dependant on water supply from abroad. If I were fighting against your country my fist targets would be any water pipe/installations and the power stations. Just need some plane to drop bombs onto those installations or use sabotaeurs.
No need to impose on a sea blockade. That would be for Britain. They are self sufficient in their water supply.
But I'm no Army General nor do I have extensive knowledge on your water and power installations. I hope you don't have a centralized power station. -
Yo champion you just stated a self defeating post.Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:Guys don't you realize that your indigenous water can't serve a 5 million people population that is you guys are dependant on water supply from abroad. If I were fighting against your country my fist targets would be any water pipe/installations and the power stations. Just need some plane to drop bombs onto those installations or use sabotaeurs.
No need to impose on a sea blockade. That would be for Britain. They are self sufficient in their water supply.
But I'm no Army General nor do I have extensive knowledge on your water and power installations. I hope you don't have a centralized power station.
Your last paragraph just made your 1st AND 2nd paragraphs a no brainer.
IOW you posted a post of nothing.
Someone close this thread. We have a spat of useless threads lately. From very interestingly new members. -
Man where did they teach you manners?Originally posted by CM06:Yo champion you just stated a self defeating post.
Your last paragraph just made your 1st AND 2nd paragraphs a no brainer.
IOW you posted a post of nothing.
Someone close this thread. We have a spat of useless threads lately. From very interestingly new members.
I can forgive you assuming you're a 12 year old. Kids these day have no manner. even when they have grown beard and white hair.
I read it from the newspaper that Singapore imports its clean water. Besides I just want to have some fun, read some silly posts instead of seriously thinking on how to invade Singapore. But I agree with you that this thread is pointless..kinda silly which makes it perfect for posting no brainer post like mine. -
Welcome to SgForums, our neighbour from the south.
Please rest assured that our country has diversified our key infrastructures. Although our land is small, we do have have more than 1 powerplant operating.
Also, we do have our own supply of reservior water, although the bulk is still imported from our neighbour up north. We are also diversifying into newater and desalination, to reduce the threat of our friendly northern brother accidently cutting off our water supplies. -
Apply 911 here, RSAF can't shoot down SIA 380, so just let it crash on both air base run way. There r many FT here work as under cover.