Obeying your Commander
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Japanese soldiers were reported to have killed children and babies as depicted.
Would you do the same if your commander gives you such an order? -
I will show him the finger! I am a soldier who fights for my country's independence and freedom...not a baby murderer!Originally posted by Dr Who:
Japanese soldiers were reported to have killed children and babies as depicted.
Would you do the same if your commander gives you such an order? -
Viet children murdered by US forces at My Lai during the Vietnam War..... -
Lt Calley....the officer who gave the order to kill the children ....... -
This car failed to stop at a checkpoint......maybe the driver was not aware of the checkpoint....
what if there are kids in the car....would you shoot? -
If the guy failed to stop, tough. I'd shoot.Originally posted by Dr Who:
This car failed to stop at a checkpoint......maybe the driver was not aware of the checkpoint....
what if there are kids in the car....would you shoot? -
Yes, how am I suppose to know that the driver is not aware of the check point? Am I suppose to the risk the lives of my mates on a "maybe" ? Hell no.Originally posted by Dr Who:
This car failed to stop at a checkpoint......maybe the driver was not aware of the checkpoint....
what if there are kids in the car....would you shoot?
As to whether I would do the above things if ordered, no. Like the previous poster said you are soldier, not a some barbaric murderer. -
Well actually failure to obey military orders under fire is an act punishable by death. Under such strict control, are soldiers expected to exercise discretion? For example if civilians approaches a check point and your superiors suspects them to be bombers, would you fire?
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I dont think any commanders gave such orders to bayonet babies but it was a collective feeling that the chinese were no better compared to dogs,the killing then became a form of amusement for the soldiers.At my present state of mind there are certain orders I wouldnt follow even if it is a direct order from GodOriginally posted by Dr Who:
Japanese soldiers were reported to have killed children and babies as depicted.
Would you do the same if your commander gives you such an order? -
before war start i will be outta here.
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This picture has fascinated me for years.......Originally posted by Dr Who:
Viet children murdered by US forces at My Lai during the Vietnam War.....
If you look at the center of the picture, there's a baby who looks as if just born, right out of the mother's uterus whose legs are spread wide open. On second thoughts, the baby is clothed, so how could he or she have just been born?
A staged picture....perhaps part of the communist propaganda?
Haha....just some really wild imagination of mine. -
In the Japanese case, not all the killings were ordered by the commanders. The Tiger of Malaya, Gen. Tomoyuki Yamashita was one such expample. He was guilty of "unlawfully disregarding and failing to discharge his duty as a commander to control the acts of members of his command by permitting them to commit war crimes."Originally posted by Dr Who:
Japanese soldiers were reported to have killed children and babies as depicted.
Would you do the same if your commander gives you such an order?
This is now known as the Yamashita Standard.
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Back to your question, I will not kill children and babies even if its under orders. The child had done nothing wrong. -
It is not punishable to disobey an order that is illegal.
To order the execution of civilians is such, and the soldier has the right to disobey. Even a mutiny is pardonable under such circumstances. -
What if your scholar commander sends you on a sure die mission? Go as ordered ..............or tell him to go and die himself?
Ambush...... -
i dont mind... as long as he leading infront of me...Originally posted by Dr Who:What if your scholar commander sends you on a sure die mission? Go as ordered ..............or tell him to go and die himself?
Ambush......
its only right... -
adter the mission, your commander gets a medal and promotion.......you get tuah lum par bleeding .....balls injury......
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as i said.... as long as he is leading infront of me... if i get injured... that's my luck... if he dies... medals is worth sh.it.Originally posted by Dr Who:
adter the mission, your commander gets a medal and promotion.......you get tuah lum par bleeding .....balls injury......
Still obey? -
i will save my last bullet for him.
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mutiny is not pardonable... however... you can choose to turn in your weapons and be placed under arrest until trial.Originally posted by Shotgun:It is not punishable to disobey an order that is illegal.
To order the execution of civilians is such, and the soldier has the right to disobey. Even a mutiny is pardonable under such circumstances.
furthermore... an order is legal until a higher authority ruled otherwise... until then... the order is legal....
if the highest order(absolute high) of the military gave the order to massacre a city of millions or hundreds of thoudsands of people including children, women and babies (such as nuking hiroshima and nagasaki)..... that order is LEGAL....
some feels that the deaths at hiroshima and nagasaki "potentially" saved millions of lives by forcing japan to surrender... such "potential savings" are mutual on opposing sides....
every civilian i killed... is one "potential" enemy solders killed. -
you should save it for the enemies... since its a suicide mission... i doubt you have to worry about him walking out alive or in one piece.Originally posted by monoslayer:i will save my last bullet for him. -
looking at the scenarios presented, it's easy to say hey i won't kill innocent children even in times of war. But seriously, in operation, where you don't know who's friend or foe.. are you a combatant still able to think rationally given the pressure of the situation?
Esp the car at the gantry situation, after an initial warning shot, if the driver fails to stop.. then it's really too bad. I've got a job to do.
And the part where in an operation the highest commander gets credited and you're left there with perhaps an amputated arm, i'd say that's how life goes... seriously i don't give a shit if my commander got a medal or some national accolate, I think what's important was the job was done, and done well.....sure there'll be anger, pain, frustration.... it's pure human emotions. -
at least i get to end the b@stard's life myself.Originally posted by tripwire:you should save it for the enemies... since its a suicide mission... i doubt you have to worry about him walking out alive or in one piece. -
What if he sends you on an unnecessary patrol on a route known to be mined with IEDs........sure die one.......how to stop him?
Iraqi IED ......100 % tank killer
Frag him before he turns you into bak-kuar? ( BBQ meat) -
throw a 10 dollar note on the IEDs mined ground n tell him its his.Originally posted by Dr Who:What if he sends you on an unnecessary patrol on a route known to be mined with IEDs........sure die one.......how to stop him?
Iraqi IED ......100 % tank killer
Frag him before he turns you into bak-kuar? ( BBQ meat) -
If your commander gives you an illegal order that contravenes the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of your country, and you carry it out, you will be charged if caught, as a war criminal.Originally posted by korusu:Well actually failure to obey military orders under fire is an act punishable by death. Under such strict control, are soldiers expected to exercise discretion? For example if civilians approaches a check point and your superiors suspects them to be bombers, would you fire?
The Nuremburg Defense is a classic example of how command responsibility does not protect the junior commanders from war crimes charges even if he or she claims they were merely carrying out orders.
You better hope you're on the winning side.