Naval Defence
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How is our Navy gonna defend our waters against Kirov class Rocket Crusiers...
Akula class subs...
It seems we have a few ocean going subs and coastal defense subs....Plus frigates ,Corvettes and patrol boats....
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Our armaments are meant as deterrence against our neighbours, not someone furthur up north.
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ROFL.Originally posted by Agenda:Our armaments are meant as deterrence against our neighbours, not someone furthur up north. -
he's thinking and looking too far north.
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If TS want Blue Water Navy, he can foot the bill himself
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For those who havent noticed, quiet Diesel Electric Subs with AIP are one of the most cost efficient methods to deter powerful surface ships and nuclear subs.
Can our future vastergotland class handle Kirov cruisers and Akulas? I suspect so.
If a Chinese Diesel Electric sub can get through a Carrier Battlegroup's ASW defense to get into torp range, a Kirov cruiser isn't too hard for a Vastergotland. -
i think u're thinking too far...too movie-like already...
basically we dun need, because nobody in our area has those stuff. -
Despite all the recent hip abt AIP diesel electric sub. Coventional sub still lack the speed to be the truely underwater killer. The fastest is reported 24knots. While standard Frigate and destroyer speed is 30knots....Originally posted by Shotgun:For those who havent noticed, quiet Diesel Electric Subs with AIP are one of the most cost efficient methods to deter powerful surface ships and nuclear subs.
Can our future vastergotland class handle Kirov cruisers and Akulas? I suspect so.
If a Chinese Diesel Electric sub can get through a Carrier Battlegroup's ASW defense to get into torp range, a Kirov cruiser isn't too hard for a Vastergotland. -
Despite the average destroyer being able to travel at 30knots, they usually travel at 16-24 knots to conserve fuel and keep in line with formation, especially to protect the flagship.Originally posted by zenden9:Despite all the recent hip abt AIP diesel electric sub. Coventional sub still lack the speed to be the truely underwater killer. The fastest is reported 24knots. While standard Frigate and destroyer speed is 30knots....
Travelling at 30knots is usually done only in wartime and when you are escaping from the enemy or ambushing them. -
And the top speed of torpedoes are 50-60kts.Originally posted by zenden9:Despite all the recent hip abt AIP diesel electric sub. Coventional sub still lack the speed to be the truely underwater killer. The fastest is reported 24knots. While standard Frigate and destroyer speed is 30knots....
Traveling at 30kts blinds their own passive arrays, so such speeds are reserved for cruising where there are no threats. Not when there are known Diesel-AIP boats around. -
While we're at it, let's add an aircraft carrier too.
Seriously though, I'm still wishing for Visby class stealth corvettes to replace our aging MCVs. -
Dont talk co-ck la,idiot...Originally posted by Seth35:How is our Navy gonna defend our waters against Kirov class Rocket Crusiers...
Akula class subs...
It seems we have a few ocean going subs and coastal defense subs....Plus frigates ,Corvettes and patrol boats....
Whats our strategy...Anyone can talk about it ?
I am not impressed at all by you knowing knowing that there is such a thing as a Kirov or Akula... -
Heard of the 200kt Russian torp?Originally posted by Shotgun:And the top speed of torpedoes are 50-60kts.
Traveling at 30kts blinds their own passive arrays, so such speeds are reserved for cruising where there are no threats. Not when there are known Diesel-AIP boats around. -
Cocks cannot talk lar...How to talk ?
Your not supposed to be impressed...Its just a situation scenario of "If's" -
Play too many comp games? Watch too many war movies liao?Originally posted by Seth35:Cocks cannot talk lar...How to talk ?
Your not supposed to be impressed...Its just a situation scenario of "If's" -
Originally posted by Seth35:Whats our strategy...Anyone can talk about it ?
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Play too many comp games? Watch too many war movies liao?
No leh....
Go play ur nipple la...Go Shoo ! -
Actually,we are building(shh...) a fleet of 12 Lee Kuan Yew-class stealth cruisers.Don't tell anyone hor...You can't see 'em coz they are so stealthy that they are invisible.Originally posted by Seth35:No leh....
Go play ur nipple la...Go Shoo !
Here are some stats of the Lee Kuan Yew-class CG that I know of.
Displacement:15,000 tons
Weapons:2 VLS for 200 assorted missiles.(Standard ER,Tomahawk(ASM,TLAM-GPS),24 Harpoons,12 CIWS
Top speed:40 knots
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We dont need to buy Visbys, we are building our ownOriginally posted by sgf:While we're at it, let's add an aircraft carrier too.
Seriously though, I'm still wishing for Visby class stealth corvettes to replace our aging MCVs.
Come on man, 5 of our 6 Formidables are born here. You bet our DSTA is going to zhng a bigger brother for MCVs replacements.
Regarding whether our ships are good enough, blue water going ships arent that zhai in brown waters. Subs included. Do you know how many radars we have to track ships or not?
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2 a sub a Kirov is still just another target, is it not
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To subs, everything sitting on the surface is a target. Rubber duckies included.
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Don't under-estimate RSN.
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The resulting underwater endurance of the 1,500-ton boats is reported to be up to 14 days at five knots, but significant burst speeds are possible when the batteries are topped up.
Naval defense is not just rely on sub and surface ship.
u need help from the followings:
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The F50 maritime patrol aircraftcan it carry ASW mission?
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eyes in the space 24/7to search for sub .CRISP operates a satellite ground station to acquire data from remote sensing satellites, and processes the archived data to standard or value-added products for distribution and research. The list of satellites CRISP receive include:
3.can we put sensors to monitor sub and surface ships movements?
* SPOT 1,2,4 (since September 1995)
* ERS 1,2 (since March 1996)
* RADARSAT 1 (May 1997 - May 2000)
* SeaWiFS, NOAA and FengYun 1C (since September 1999)
* TERRA (MODIS) (since March 2001)
* IKONOS (since August 2001)
* EROS-A1 (since October 2001)
* AQUA (MODIS) (since July 2002)
* SPOT 5 (since October 2002)
4.ask merchants ships to help during emergency?
5endurance of SG AIP subThe Stirling-cycle engine forms the basis of the first AIP system to enter naval service in recent times. The Swedish builders, Kockums Naval Systems, tested a prototype plant at sea in 1989, and today, three Swedish Gotland-class boats are each fitted with two adjunct, 75 kilowatt Stirling-cycle propulsion units that burn liquid oxygen and diesel fuel to generate electricity for either propulsion or charging batteries within a conventional diesel-electric plant.
The resulting underwater endurance of the 1,500-ton boats is reported to be up to 14 days at five knots, but significant burst speeds are possible when the batteries are topped up.HMS Gotland is a successful conventional submarine with our Stirling Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system. It extends submerged from a few days to several weeks.
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Yes. Super cavitating torps. Unfortunately, they are damn short ranged and almost unguided. Rumored to have caused the Kursk to sink as well.Originally posted by Marco_Simone:Heard of the 200kt Russian torp?