If D-Day failed..
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What happens of the 21,000 men who have landed behind enemy lines? Fleeing to southern france seems just as stupid as trying to break down the Atlantic Wall without armor.
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Guerilla warfare? Or partisan as they call it then.Originally posted by Agenda:What happens of the 21,000 men who have landed behind enemy lines? Fleeing to southern france seems just as stupid as trying to break down the Atlantic Wall without armor. 
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If D-day had a possibility of failing, it would have been caused by the weather. The men behind the lines would have to last until the invasion can take place. Oh, did I mention we'd be fighting another World War 4, where facism goes full on against communism?
I'd be speaking Japanese too. -
we generations of men would still being used for bayonet training for the japs and the generation of girls would still continue being sex slaves for the japs...
nazi and japs would be still fighting each other till now.. -
Nah...japan and germany will STILL lose the war...unlike what people think..the allies won ww2 simply because they can out-produce both germany and Japan combined.
In the pacific war...things is going well for the US force....
In the europe...there is a certain country called USSR that is handling very well against the nazis.
What happens at the end? Well...the post ww2 era will end up in favour of USSR instead of US...but I think US will definetly have a strong sphere of influence in asia.
WW2 ISN'T defined by D-day alone. -
when u said D-day... i assumed u meant the invasion of Normandy...
actually "D-day" is just a generic term for an invasion.. there is also a D-day in the invasion of Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Tarawa etc etc..... and H-hour is the hour of the invasion.....
anyway, in the event that D-day failed, the allies will probably lose a lot of men and materials....
however, with the industrial might of the US, these will be replaced shortly....
Eisenhower actually prepared a "defeat" speech in the event the invasion failed... so there is an even chance that it will fail....
so we will probably see another Dunkrik as the Allies tried to extract the remmants of the invasion forces... with both air and naval superiority, i think the majority of the invasion forces can be extracted... probably the rear guard will become POWs....
there will probably be a polictical storm in US and UK, but those in powers will probably stay there....
Germany will probably be able to focus on the Eastern front and i don't think the USSR will be able to make significant in-roads also....
The Allies will continue to pound Germany from the Air... more airmen from the 8th AF and Bomber Command will lose their lives....
There is actually a seconodary operation, the invasion of southern france, it will probably not be carried out....
The 2nd d-day will probably be delayed for another year or so.... and this time the allies will probably use overwhelming force....
Germany will be even weaker to resist...... esp when they are bled white by the russians...
the way in europe will probably end about a copule of months....not by a full year as i expect the 'drive across france' to take shorter time due to weakened resistance... there will probably 'not' be a battle of the bulge type of counter offensive...
the war in the pacific will not be affected by much.... we might even see a situation where japan surrender before germany....
Also if the allies use the atomic bomb on Japan, Germany might surrender also.... when they saw the effect of the atomic bomb. -
i want to raise a different perspective.....if D day fail and assult on Normandy delay by another 1 yr. The outcome of WWII might change. Why i think it would allow Germany to finish testing and production of Jet fighters.
Air superiority over allies. unimagine consequences affecting the outcome of WWII. use your imagination.
B29 Bombing raid fail
mmunition factory continue to produce weapon, ammunition etc.
italy front already stalled. -
I don't think Germany's wonder weapons will probably affect the outcome of the war......Originally posted by Arapahoe:i want to raise a different perspective.....if D day fail and assult on Normandy delay by another 1. The outcome of WWII might change. Why i think it would allow Germany to finish testing and production of Jet fighters.
Air superiority over allies. unimagine consequences affecting the outcome of WWII. use your imagination.
B29 Bombing raid fail
mmunition factory continue to produce weapon, ammunition etc.
italy front already stalled.
If they develop the atomic bomb (which they gave up early in the war) and deploy it before the americans, maybe the outcome might be different....
but Germany in effect is outproduced by the Allies... period! -
IF germany won then i'm not so sure it'd have been all that bad. it's usa who won and they made institutions like world bank, UN, IMF etc to control world affairs according to their whims.
IF usa lost, may be we'd have their german counterparts. but mind you singapore among other british french and european colonies only got liberated due to this war, otherwise you'd still be a british colony officially. now it's just unofficial, de facto but not de jure!
i doubt though germany could outproduce uk, usa ussr combined. hence they were destined to lose. -
IF D-Day fail,
there will be another day to overpower the tuupig germany...
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i believe it is more of a changing hand of landlord rather than using the word "Liberated".Originally posted by protonhybrid:IF germany won then i'm not so sure it'd have been all that bad. it's usa who won and they made institutions like world bank, UN, IMF etc to control world affairs according to their whims.
IF usa lost, may be we'd have their german counterparts. but mind you singapore among other british french and european colonies only got liberated due to this war, otherwise you'd still be a british colony officially. now it's just unofficial, de facto but not de jure!
i doubt though germany could outproduce uk, usa ussr combined. hence they were destined to lose.
IF German won.
we would most likely be speaking japanese. If not at least start up SAF would not be trained by Isarel. there won;t be any jewish people left. -
Well...
How could D day fail anyway? -
Nazi resource will run out within 1yr or 2 even it's fail. Or they may had E-day or F-day if D fail. The German can't hold long as their allied regroup and fight back from all direction.
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The atlantic wall is a long stretch from french coast to norwegian coast. Last I heard, It even stretched to spain. Every inch of the beach is barricaded with tank traps and mines, topped with the numerous MG nests as well as heavy artillery capable of bombarding the beach.Originally posted by popikachu:Well...
How could D day fail anyway?
My guess is, Should D-Day fail. Eisenhower would probably asked the paratroopers to surrender.
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My dua sen....
1. The Nazis would still have lost. The Allies would still continue firebombing German cities, which would actually make it easier for the Soviets to win.... which leads to point 2.
2. The Soviets would have steamrolled over Germany, carried on to France, and possibly conquered Spain as well.
3. The Japs would still have lost, for the Pacific counterstrike was mainly an American effort. However, it would probably have taken longer, seeing that they would have to fight without Brit support. Also, the Soviets would have made greater advances into Manchuria and possibly Korea.
End result? The Axis would still have lost, and the Cold War would have been much, much worse.
Just a hypothetical scenario... my S$0.02. -
double post
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I agree with your hypothesis.Originally posted by fudgester:1. The Nazis would still have lost. The Allies would still continue firebombing German cities, which would actually make it easier for the Soviets to win.... which leads to point 2.
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3. The Japs would still have lost, for the Pacific counterstrike was mainly an American effort. However, it would probably have taken longer, seeing that they would have to fight without Brit support. Also, the Soviets would have made greater advances into Manchuria and possibly Korea.
End result? The Axis would still have lost, and the Cold War would have been much, much worse....
Even if the W.Allies failed in their D-Day objectives, esp on gaining a foothold on French soil. The Nazi war machine would still be eventually be crushed...by the Soviet Army alone. The most is that WWII (for the Germans) would not end on May 8, 1945 but could be in 1946 or even in 1947. The end result for the Germans is still certain, not the question of 'IF' but 'WHEN'. Don't forget, the Soviet counter-assaults were already draining the German manpower considerably (heard what happened to the German Sixth Army at Stalingrad?). If you read books here, it is stated that most of the German defenders at the Normandy beaches were not the finest nor the fittest troops (mostly fresh from the Hitler Youth Camps and the old Volksstraum) except the SS Panzer reserve that were positioned at the wronmg places due to deceptive communique that were sent out by the Brits to fool the Germans.
However I disagree on scenario 2, allowing the Soviet Army to 'liberate' Hungary, Poland, Romania and the smaller Eastern Europe is one thing, but to allow the Soviet Army to roll into France is not accepatable by the W.Allies. -
It may not have been acceptable to the Allies, but if the Atlantic Wall has already repelled them, then how are they going to get into France before the Soviets do?Originally posted by Black Aces:However I disagree on scenario 2, allowing the Soviet Army to 'liberate' Hungary, Poland, Romania and the smaller Eastern Europe is one thing, but to allow the Soviet Army to roll into France is not accepatable by the W.Allies.
As it is D-Day took a couple of years of planning.... if they had a Plan B to fall back on (e.g. Churchill's idea of attacking through the Mediterranean), then it would still take a long time to marshall their resources sufficiently to break into Europe. -
If D-Day had failed we all would have been communists today
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Socialism isn't a bad thing... if it actually works.
Democracy is a good thing, when you think it works. -
why would D Day fail lead to communism?Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:If D-Day had failed we all would have been communists today
germany and japan is not communism no? -
Very Well Said!Originally posted by Shotgun:Socialism isn't a bad thing... if it actually works.
Democracy is a good thing, when you think it works. -
Japan and the whole Germany would also have been under communism if D day had failed.Originally posted by popikachu:why would D Day fail lead to communism?
germany and japan is not communism no?
In fact the Russia fought their land war against the Japanese in the final year of the war. Japanese lost big time there. Pretty heroic stuffs but they lost any foothold on the Russia's land. -
Anyway without those d-days the chinese troops ,towards the end of the war now supplied with western's advanced war supplies were able to kick the japs ass and gaining back significant amount of land that they had lost.And dont forget that half of the imperial japanese army were stuck in the "trading space for time" shit against the growing chinese army, plus the counter attacks from local resistance forces in phillipines,malaya, sg and etc ,it was unlikely that japanese could have held out thier grounds for long.
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And japan and germany were too far to be of any effective ally to each other.They were basically on the other end of the world to each other.In another words, they are isolated