Military aircraft's G-limits

• spartan6

  16 Dec 07, 22:59

  Below r data i had collected over e years
  
  A-4SU-1/M --------- 8/-4
  A-6E ----------------- 6.5/?
  EA-6B ---------------- 5.5/?
  A-10A ---------------- 7+/-3 with 6 mk82
  A-50U Mainstay ---- 2/?
  A-129 Mangusta --- 3.5/-0.5
  AH-1W --------------- 2.5/-0.5
  AH-1Z ---------------- 2.8/-0.5
  Rooivalk ------------- 2.6/-0.5
  AH-64D -------------- 3.5/-0.5 @ low alt & airspeed up 2 340KM/H
  Alpha Jet A ---------- 8/-4
  AMX ------------------- 7.33/-3
  B-2A ------------------- 2/?
  B-52H ----------------- 5/-2
  C.101DD Aviojet ---- 7.5/-3.9
  Cheetah C ----------- 7.5/-3
  Chengdu F-7M ------ 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.8
  7/-3 above Mach 0.8
  Ching Kuo ----------- 9/-3 clean
  6.5/-3 Max wt
  CN-235M ------------ 3/-1 normal
  2.5/-1 Max wt
  EF-2000 ------------- 9/-3 for extended period
  F-4F ------------------ 7/-3
  F-5S/E --------------- 7/-3
  F-14A/B/D ---------- 7/-3 eng stall & wing damage possible even for very short peroid
  F-15A/B/C/D/E ----- 9/-3 only for short period @ high alt
  Blk 50/52 F-16 ----- 9.4/-3 sustained
  Blk 52+ F-16DJ w/ CFT ------- 8/-3 sustained
  without CFT ------ 9/-3 sustained
  F/A-18A/B/C/D ----- 9/-3 clean & only for short period
  F/A-18E/F ----------- 7.5/-3
  F-22A ---------------- 9.5/-3 only for short period @ high alt
  F-35A ---------------- 9.4/-3
  F-35B ---------------- 7.5/-3
  F-35C ---------------- 7.5/-3
  F-104ASA ----------- 7.5/-3 design limits
  F-117A -------------- 6/-3
  Harrier GR MK.9 --- 8/-3
  5.5/-2 twin-seater
  Hawk 100/200 ---- 8/-4
  Gripen -------------- 9/-3
  KA-50 --------------- 3.5/-0.5
  KA-52 --------------- 3/-0.5
  Kfir C-7 ------------- 7.5/-3
  L-159/39/59 ------- 8/-4 normal
  M-311 --------------- 7/-3.5 normal
  4/? with stores
  M-346 --------------- 8/-3
  MB-339C ------------ 8/-3
  Mi-24F --------------- 1.75/?
  MIG-21MF ----------- 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-23MLD --------- 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7.5/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-27M ------------ 7/-3
  MIG-25RB ----------- 4.5/? @ supersonic speed
  6.75/? structural limits
  MIG-29/M/N/SMT --- 9/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7.5/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-31M ------------- 5/-3
  Mirage lllE ----------- 7.5/-3
  Mirage 2000-9 ----- 9/-4.5 normal
  13.5/-9 ultimate
  Mirage F1C --------- 9/-3
  MV-22B -------------- 4/-1
  NH-90 ---------------- 3/?
  Rafale C ------------- 9/-3.2 for extended period
  Sea Harrier FA 2 --- 7.8/-4.2
  Shenyang J-8 ------- 6.9/-3 @ 1,000m alt
  4.83/? @ Mach 0.9 @ 5,000m alt
  SU-17M4/SU-22M-4 ---- 7/-3
  SU-24M --------------- 6.5/-3
  SU-25 ----------------- 6.5/-3 with 1,500kg bomb load
  5.2/-3 wiith max(4,400kg) bomb load
  SU-27 ----------------- 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-30MK/MKI/MKK -- 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-30MKM ------------ 10/-4 only for short period
  SU-33 ------------------ 8/-3 only for short period
  SU-32/34 -------------- 7/-3 normal
  8/-4 if fitted with thurst vectoring nozzle
  SU-35 ------------------ 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-37 ------------------ 10/-4 only for short period
  T/A-50 ------------------ 8/-3
  Tornado IDS/ADV ----- 7.5/-3
  TU-22M-3 --------------- 2.5/?
  TU-160 ------------------ 2/?
  U-2S --------------------- 2.5/?
  JH-7/FBC-1 ------------- 7/?
  YAK-141 ----------------- 7/?
  
  
• spartan6

  16 Dec 07, 22:59

  Below r data i had collected over e years
  
  A-4SU-1/M --------- 8/-4
  A-6E ----------------- 6.5/?
  EA-6B ---------------- 5.5/?
  A-10A ---------------- 7+/-3 with 6 mk82
  A-50U Mainstay ---- 2/?
  A-129 Mangusta --- 3.5/-0.5
  AH-1W --------------- 2.5/-0.5
  AH-1Z ---------------- 2.8/-0.5
  Rooivalk ------------- 2.6/-0.5
  AH-64D -------------- 3.5/-0.5 @ low alt & airspeed up 2 340KM/H
  Alpha Jet A ---------- 8/-4
  AMX ------------------- 7.33/-3
  B-2A ------------------- 2/?
  B-52H ----------------- 5/-2
  C.101DD Aviojet ---- 7.5/-3.9
  Cheetah C ----------- 7.5/-3
  Chengdu F-7M ------ 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.8
  7/-3 above Mach 0.8
  Ching Kuo ----------- 9/-3 clean
  6.5/-3 Max wt
  CN-235M ------------ 3/-1 normal
  2.5/-1 Max wt
  EF-2000 ------------- 9/-3 for extended period
  F-4F ------------------ 7/-3
  F-5S/E --------------- 7/-3
  F-14A/B/D ---------- 7/-3 eng stall & wing damage possible even for very short peroid
  F-15A/B/C/D/E ----- 9/-3 only for short period @ high alt
  Blk 50/52 F-16 ----- 9.4/-3 sustained
  Blk 52+ F-16DJ w/ CFT ------- 8/-3 sustained
  without CFT ------ 9/-3 sustained
  F/A-18A/B/C/D ----- 9/-3 clean & only for short period
  F/A-18E/F ----------- 7.5/-3
  F-22A ---------------- 9.5/-3 only for short period @ high alt
  F-35A ---------------- 9.4/-3
  F-35B ---------------- 7.5/-3
  F-35C ---------------- 7.5/-3
  F-104ASA ----------- 7.5/-3 design limits
  F-117A -------------- 6/-3
  Harrier GR MK.9 --- 8/-3
  5.5/-2 twin-seater
  Hawk 100/200 ---- 8/-4
  Gripen -------------- 9/-3
  KA-50 --------------- 3.5/-0.5
  KA-52 --------------- 3/-0.5
  Kfir C-7 ------------- 7.5/-3
  L-159/39/59 ------- 8/-4 normal
  M-311 --------------- 7/-3.5 normal
  4/? with stores
  M-346 --------------- 8/-3
  MB-339C ------------ 8/-3
  Mi-24F --------------- 1.75/?
  MIG-21MF ----------- 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-23MLD --------- 8.5/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7.5/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-27M ------------ 7/-3
  MIG-25RB ----------- 4.5/? @ supersonic speed
  6.75/? structural limits
  MIG-29/M/N/SMT --- 9/-3 up 2 Mach 0.85
  7.5/-3 above Mach 0.85
  MIG-31M ------------- 5/-3
  Mirage lllE ----------- 7.5/-3
  Mirage 2000-9 ----- 9/-4.5 normal
  13.5/-9 ultimate
  Mirage F1C --------- 9/-3
  MV-22B -------------- 4/-1
  NH-90 ---------------- 3/?
  Rafale C ------------- 9/-3.2 for extended period
  Sea Harrier FA 2 --- 7.8/-4.2
  Shenyang J-8 ------- 6.9/-3 @ 1,000m alt
  4.83/? @ Mach 0.9 @ 5,000m alt
  SU-17M4/SU-22M-4 ---- 7/-3
  SU-24M --------------- 6.5/-3
  SU-25 ----------------- 6.5/-3 with 1,500kg bomb load
  5.2/-3 wiith max(4,400kg) bomb load
  SU-27 ----------------- 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-30MK/MKI/MKK -- 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-30MKM ------------ 10/-4 only for short period
  SU-33 ------------------ 8/-3 only for short period
  SU-32/34 -------------- 7/-3 normal
  8/-4 if fitted with thurst vectoring nozzle
  SU-35 ------------------ 9/-3 only for short period
  SU-37 ------------------ 10/-4 only for short period
  T/A-50 ------------------ 8/-3
  Tornado IDS/ADV ----- 7.5/-3
  TU-22M-3 --------------- 2.5/?
  TU-160 ------------------ 2/?
  U-2S --------------------- 2.5/?
  JH-7/FBC-1 ------------- 7/?
  YAK-141 ----------------- 7/?
  
  
• infantry

  16 Dec 07, 23:03

  wad about the raptor? ty
• wonderamazement

  16 Dec 07, 23:05

  Originally posted by infantry:

  wad about the raptor? ty

  He updated it i think.
• spartan6

  16 Dec 07, 23:05

  Its under F-22A
• spartan6

  16 Dec 07, 23:06

  Sorry double post
• infantry

  16 Dec 07, 23:06

  Originally posted by spartan6:

  Its under F-22A

  ps i didnt see it till u updated
  
  nice job btw
• Shotgun

  17 Dec 07, 09:48

  LoL! A lot of the modern aircraft u listed there, the G-limits not very accurate. Remember that G-limits for today's aircraft is more of human limitation, not the aircraft limitation.
  
  The Raptor itself can sustain up to 11gs for example.
  
  F-16 can go above 9gs, and perhaps more than 9.5gs. But at 9.5gs the technicians on the ground will start to curse and swear. Also, these G-limits enforced by electronic means. If the aircraft has sufficient thrust to weight ratio, it can exceed these 9gs and perhaps 10gs easily if the g-limiters were not in place and no pilots on board.
• spartan6

  17 Dec 07, 10:08

  Yes wat u say is correct these G-limits r more like max safety G-limits for e pliot & e aircraft, for example see F-14 & Mirage 2000, in fact e Mirage 2000 can pull up
  to 13G before e aircraft tear itself apart
• CM06

  17 Dec 07, 20:24

  wow our fat vipers are really less agile than usual.
  
  Our Cs are non CFT right?
  
  P.S. i still think we should grab gripen! Too bad right now it's like a mini F-16, smaller, carry less, less legs
• Shotgun

  18 Dec 07, 00:16

  Our fat vipers are strike vipers. Agility is a secondary requirement.
• crosshairs

  18 Dec 07, 14:14

  I was wondering why the limits seem to have stopped at 9G. I thought the EF2000 has the ability to do combat manouvres at supersonic speeds, and given the fluid filled G-suits, I would have expected much higher values than 9Gs.
• spartan6

  18 Dec 07, 15:06

  Ya i agree, tat why they r not fitted with DASH-3 HMS like our BLK 52 F-16 CJ/DJ, T/R/F-5S. Any way 8G is already very agile lo
• Shotgun

  18 Dec 07, 15:53

  Only the newer generation of G-suits can withstand up to 11gs. That one is not in service in RSAF yet I think.
  
  8Gs is decently agile. But the key performance indicator is the turn rate.
• crosshairs

  19 Dec 07, 03:23

  Originally posted by Shotgun:

  Only the newer generation of G-suits can withstand up to 11gs. That one is not in service in RSAF yet I think.
  
  8Gs is decently agile. But the key performance indicator is the turn rate.

  Well, arguable, if a jet gets into a flat spin, that's some pretty amazing turn rate, translated to performance.
  
  Maybe they could employ some retro-rockets to help create these manouvers.